Kadron Carbs hit Body...

HELP!!
All was going well until the carburators hit the body. I was executing the milestone assembly step of putting the body on the car with a hoist when the rear deck lid and body came down on the carb air cleaners on the 40mm Kadron kit I installed (no damage, just a mid-installation removal of the air cleaners). The carbs are just too tall for the CMC engine compartment. I'm sure someone has encountered this in the past. Can anyone help???
-Time

Sounds like you'll need shorter air cleaners, and or shorter intake manifolds.

You need to install a 4 inch lift kit and some 34 inch mudders....

and find the nearest -ssippi hole

seriously - CB performance make s a short setup - chcek it out "under the deck" they call it.

Is it hitting the body, or will the deck lid just not close? My dual Webers (the right one) was a hair to tall and the deck lid would not close. I cut a small notch out of the bottom side of the deck lid to make things work. Let me know if you need pictures.

Try this, get two 2" ABS 90 degree street elbows from the plumbing department at the hardware store and then get a couple of cone air filters. This is probably the least expensive fix, but then again it will look like it.

Heyyyyy, Muddin' in the Speedster...Now there's an idea !!
Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming. I'll check out CB and see if they have a kit for the Kadrons. I'm not sure where the Street 90

Amazed your kadrons don't fit.
Kadron's fit in my Chesil with plenty of room to spare.

Had the same problem on my CMC. Found out Empi has air cleaners that are shorter than the ones that come with the Kadron kits. Empi part # 00-8704-0. These fit with room to spare. You do not use the chrome rings that come with the Empi's.

Jeff,
Great answer; any pictures?? I'll check out the EMPI website.
-Time

Tim . no pictures at present, car is hibernating for a month or so. Gets cold here on the North Carolina Outer Banks. If we happen to get a warm spell I'll unwrap it an post some shots for you.

Here's a different approach to gain engine to deck lid height......

Some CMC FiberFab bodies are riveted 3/4 to 1-1/4" too low on the rear 2x2 horizontal framework. This can be refitted but must be done * s l o w l y * to avoid a possible crack in the body at the rear of the rocker panel to quarter area. You will need to place a 5 foot 2x4 across the lower back section of the Speedster body and apply a slight amount of upward "jack pressure" to suppport the body, drill out the rivets in the bottom of the inner wheel well
* s l o w l y* jack up on the body ....you will feel the resistance of the jack build as you raise it up ....best body to framework position is so that there is 5/8" to 3/4" of the 2x4 frame member exposed then re-rivet ( adding a few additional rivets) the inner wheel well panels with similar large head rivets to the framework.

...Alan M

Alan,
I was working on the rear suspension last night when I saw those rivits and thought that very thing. Only problem is that my glass was cut so that already almost 1/2 of the 2x2 frame is exposed under the bottom edge. A "jacking-strip" would have to be made to double up on the glass, to lift it up (or something like that). Seemed a bit toilsome, and since it's ~2" too low, it'd be tough to get that much, plus some added clearance! (read;**Crack-crack**!!) Loods like I'll have to find a shop with a tig welder. CBP came back and said they don't sell a shorter intake for Solex's.

Jeff,
I took a look at those 8704's, and they have two wing-nuts showing on the picture. Are there two bolts going through?? Since this is dual carbs, I only need one, and one bottom hole to the carb intake. Let me know, it's the only thing looking positive at the moment! Thanks.
-Time

Tim, I will check the carb set-up tonight, try to take pictures, but I think we used the Kadron top & base plates and only used the elements from the Empi units. Again, will check this evening. Mine only have single bolt and wing-nut on each.

One more thing to watch out for. Using the dog house housing you may find your deck lid hitting the dog house slightly. A little work using a Dremal on the problem spots on the underside of the deck lid will cure the clearance problem

Thanks Jeff,
Actually, I'm not using a "doghouse" - I've got a center mounted alternator stand, and a symmetrical shroud. Interesting setup, and it doesn't touch the deck, fortunately! Thanks for the warning.
The 8704 p/n is oval, not round like the stock Kadron air cleaner, so I am indeed confused. But a pic is worth 1000 words! Thanks.
-Time

Tim,
If half the 2x2 is already showing and the car purchased '"used?" perhaps someone has "already been there" and done the " butt lift".
There is always a solution to a problem in building speedsters especially if you do things out of the norm as I do . Another set of eyes and discussion easily developes into a simple solution

Keep me "posted"

Alan M

I don't get it...
After looking at several handfulls of pictures, I have no clue what my problem is!! Several Kadron setup are shown clearly within the confines of the engine bay. I'm WAY out there...

Tim, here a a few pictures, hope they help. We left the bolt long in case we want to go to a taller filter (maybe K&N). Sorry, pictures later (when I find out how to put them in the message.

Jeff,
You can just load them under "Files" and I'll go to your name and check them out when you tell me they're there. That's what the instructions say, at the bottom of this text-entry box, must be done anyway...
-Tim

Jeff,
Saw the pictures; EXACT same problem here. I've been positioning the body this week, and lack only 1/2" or so of interference now, so the cleaners you have are the ones I need. I'll post a pic of what the EMPI catalog lists as an 8704 though, because it's different than what you have. They (EMPI) do have a variety of round filter heights for a 5-1/2"dia. element; is that the dia. we're dealing with?? I'll measure myself tonight if I dont' hear from you. Thanks for the pictures; very telling...
-Time

Tim,
My filter elements are 3" tall and in the 5 1/2 to 6" diameter.

Jeff,
The shorter EMPI elements are P/N 9048, and are 2" tall. Spoke with John at EMPI and put a couple on order. I'll let you know if they work out, but by your pictures, look the same.
-Time

Well,,,with all other options being exhausted, including a mis-directed cross reference from EMPI (p/n 9048 was too small in diameter), I cut down the EMPI 8802 air cleaners to a height suitable for the car, and glued them back together with silicon caulk. The cut I made was right up against the existing rubber molded seal, so the caulk is basically re-attaching the cleaning element to the top seal. Mechanically, it worked o.k. We'll have to see how it holds up !!
-Time

This may be of no help to you but to others who may be building, if the pan is not completely flat when it was shortened and welded back together, the rear end can end up a little bit higher than it should be. All it takes is a couple of inches. But it sounds like the easiest fix would be the shorter air filters. Good luck!
Mike