Looking CMC documentation

Art, if you're looking for answers here, be prepared to stick around.

FF/CMC build manuals are in the RESOURCES under LIBRARY - just have to donate to SOC to save or print them off. There is also a wiring diagram there.  VW wiring diagrams are on SAMBA and other sites.

Just don't ask if you should stroke the engine or how to legally register it!  

Art - lots of helpful tech tips and info on this site. Best of luck with your project!

Plus,  being in CA, you're in close proximity to many who share "the madness"...

Jim, maybe you should explain yourself 

Welcome, Art.  If you're not really a wrencher, I suggest that you DON'T start with an electrical problem, such as you describe.  Check your local area for air-cooled VW shops.  Most of our replicas are VW's with a plastic body attached.  If there is no such animal in your area, a good auto electrical shop can fix you up easily.  There may also be a car club in your area with knowledgeable folks.  Good luck with your project and please keep the group informed how it goes, as that's how we all learn. 

Just to be a wiseinheimer  ..you could stuff in an 8 track with "Come On Baby Light My Fire" and have a go at the electrical.

Most CMC's don't hold true to a decent wiring diagram, however start by confirming you have power to the flasher ( ummm fuse?) then check ALL related grounds....if that baffles you or doesn't resolve the issue, I suggest following Jim's suggestion

I have a few Fiberfab manuals and brochures laying around. Need me to make copies of anything, just drop me an e-mail.

Jeff

Rich, I am in this for the long haul.

Jim, thanks. 

Jeff, thanks for the offer, I just upgraded my membership to get access to those manuals in the library.

Art:

If you are in LA and even though you have a CMC, there usually isn't a lot of basic difference between a CMC and a Vintage Speedster, so I would suggest that you either ask for someone near LA who can be recommended to work on your car by one of the forum members OR take it over to Vintage Speedsters in Hawaiian Gardens, ask for Kirk Duncan (the owner) and see if he would work on it.  On inspection, it might be something easy and he might have you on your way quickly.  Kirk, and his wife Mary, are very nice people and really into this hobby.

gn

VINTAGE SPEEDSTERS

Art:

 

If you are in LA and even though you have a CMC, there usually isn't a lot of basic difference between a CMC and a Vintage Speedster, so I would suggest that you either ask for someone near LA who can be recommended to work on your car by one of the forum members OR take it over to Vintage Speedsters in Hawaiian Gardens, ask for Kirk Duncan (the owner) and see if he would work on it.  On inspection, it might be something easy and he might have you on your way quickly.  Kirk, and his wife Mary, are very nice people and really into this hobby.

 

gn

 

VINTAGE SPEEDSTERS

 

12112 Centralia Rd, Hawaiian Gardens, CA

(562) 402-4334

 

Gordon, great suggestion, but I live 4 hours north of Vintage.

Does anyone remember hand signals anymore?

Doug:

Got one yesterday from a guy in a Corvette who somehow seemed irritated at me.

Art:

Where do you live in central/northern Ca? There are several guys in the central valley who might be able to help

electrick has always been easy for me,well all of it is simple from bumper to bumper,well execpt for figuring out the geometry for a proper working top.

   check bulbs,grounds,flasher,fuze.if somebody put in led's it may need a resister or another slave bulb.

 as far as stroking...do it it feals good,but you need to do it right.

Wolfgang, thanks I downloaded the one with wiring diagrams. The PO, installed a cd player right in front of the fuse plate. It's put in not to come out. So I'll be working on that for awhile. The turning bulbs all check out fine. The flasher/signal relay, functions, (the emergency flash work).  So that leaves the switch on the column, frayed/cut wire, corroded ground or the fuse. Of course I hope it's the fuse.

Everyone has been so helpful. I very impressed with tghe community here.

Regards,  Art

Bob, Stockton area and Santa Cruz mountains.

Allan , I had the other Morrison in mind, Van.  "Bright Side of The Road."

Art - I recently had a similar situation with the turn signal as well as dash gauges and horn in  my '95 VS. Long story short, it was a bad ground (to chassis).

Cleaning and re-tightening all the ground points did the trick. Hope your solution is as easy! 

Sir;

Thanks, I found plenty of grounds to the chassis, on my back today looking at the fuse board. Saturday AM first job, check all the ground contacts.

Thanks you  Musbjim for the advice;

Regards,

Art

Musbjim; gave up on stroking years ago, rather drink wine. As far as registering her, the little beauty has SB100 registering. So I assume I am home free. But being an 4th generation Californian, I am NEVER surprised.

So... should I get a stroker engine?

Jeff

the more you stroke it the better if feals,jeff stroke the heck out of it!!!I started off with 78.8 stroke then to 84mm my next one thats for the 356 is a 86mm stroke,I just cant keep my hands off of it.

The more you stroke it, the more fun it will be!

Over the weekend, after downing loading the manual from the library. I did the following to try and solve the no turn signal issue.

The manual says the turn signals are fuse #8, green wire.  Fuse checks, continuity is good.  The front lights by the horn grills wired green and orange for the left and right lights. Flash only the emergency lights. These are one filament bulbs. BUT these lights are suppose to be wired for the turning lights, not hazard.  The rear tear drop lights, same wire colors, perform as follows the outboard 2 filament bulb, lights for hazard and brake. The inboard 1 filament bulb lights for running lights in sync with the head lights. NO turn signal.  The emergency hazard switch on the dash, flasher has 8 posts (flasher relay part number 411953235B). One post has 2 orange wires, on post has one green wire and the third used post has a yellows-white wire.

How do I rewire for turn signals vs. hazard lights?

Art:

As it happens, I have a similar VW emergency flasher switch in my Speedster and can check it to see what wire goes where and then try to do a wire color comparison for you.  I'm on my phone right now, so I'll try to get to this project tomorrow, early, and post what I find.

As I remember it, EVERYTHING.....Emergency flashers, front turn signals and rear turn signals, go through that e-flasher switch.  There should be at least four wires connected to it, but I'll check and let you know.  It also expects to see a VW flasher, not the typical 3-wire version, so I'll get a VW part number for that from mine, too.

gn

Gordon, thank you very much. 

Gordon, I sent you a email to your gmail account today. Thanks, Art

ACK!

Saw that email and figured I would reply on here.

I'll try scanning a full color wiring diagram for a 1970 VW beetle for you that might 'splain all this stuff a bit better, but I'm assuming, from your description, that you are running real VW components, so that is what I will be describing, here:

There are three major components to this system:  The directional lever switch, the flasher relay and the emergency flasher switch.  Here is what I traced on each:

Directional Lever/headlight dimmer:

(contact number = wire color to next contact number)

54/BL = green/black to 49a on flasher relay

S = Brn/Wht to dimmer ground

15 = Blk to ignition switched 12V

31 = Brown to Ground

SU = White to Ignition Key Warning Buzzer (this may be coming from the ignition switch)

30 = Red to constant +12V

50 = Red/Grn to Starter Solenoid

R = Blk/Grn to "R" on flasher relay

L = Blk/Wht to "L" on flasher relay

Flasher Relay

49a = Green to 49a on flasher switch

       = Grn/Blk to BL on Directional Lever

(Two wires to one contact tab)

+ = White to "+" on flasher switch

KBL = Green/Red to gauge flasher (directional) bulb

31 = Brown to ground

Flasher Switch

15 = Black to ignition 12V

49a = Green to 49a on flasher relay

      = Blk/Green to 49a on directional switch

+ = White to "+" on flasher relay

30 = Red to constant +12V

31 = Brn to Ground

R = Blk/Grn to front/rear right directional lights

L = Blk/Wht to front/rear left directional lights

I'll try to scan the wiring diagram and legend tomorrow and mail it to you.

Hope this doesn't confuse the issue, cause it only works on genuine VW flasher components.  The theory is that the flasher just pulses +12V regardless of which direction is selected and that the directional lever selects the correct side and sends that signal to the flasher switch, which passively passes it on to the correct side lights.  When the emergency flasher switch is pulled out it turns on the flasher and, since it owns BOTH sides of the directionals it simply shorts them all together to make them all flash at once.  If you have emergency flashers but no directionals then I would look for a missing input (BLK/GRN - BLK/WHT) coming from the directional lever switch to the flasher switch (contacts R and L) or a missing trigger signal from the directional lever to the flasher switch (54 to 49a)

gn

Look over on the thread about wiring a headlight switch.  I posted the wiring diagram over there.

gn

Gordon;

Thanks for all the help. I'll let you know how I do. This does look complicated.

ab

Gordon,  Thanks to you for all the great advice with my electrical repairs.  I am soooo happy to report that replacing the hazard switch and a turn signal relay fix all of my problems.. I know it took along time, but it's better when you solve, issues, with help, like this.

Regards,

Art

That's great news, Art! Glad you were able to work out the bugs so you can enjoy the car even more so! 

HOLY S#IT!

Something I recommended actually worked!

Damn!  I'm gonna have a second class of Pinot Noir tonight!

Gordon--I love threads like this one showing the value of this great site. Super folks who know their stuff are cherished valuable assets here.  I know I'd still be uber frustrated without tips, techniques and fixes found here by good guys like you.

Gordon I  would love to provide you with a first class glass of pinot for all the service you provide to this sight.