hey guys im looking for fiberglass louvers for my cmc build ,looks like maybey 6 louvers is good,im looking for a pair ,to put on each side of the rear grill. also what have you guys that have a cmc done about the air filter , have you cut a round hole under the lid for the filter to stick out under the grill? pics would be great.
sylvio
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I have spoken to Kirk at Vintage about this several times and he says he needs the entire car to do it, not just the lid. I'm not entirely clear why that is, but that is what he says.
Sylvio, attached is jpeg of my cmc lid, although I have dual carbs you can see the recess in the the lid where a single probably would set. The glass work is a little crud, so not sure if it is original to the lid.
I noticed your lid has ratcheting hinges, could you post or send me a close-up of the installation. I have a pair to install on mine. Thanks, Art
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Sylvio, this is a little outside of the box, but looks like you are close to water. I wonder if any speedboats have louvers molded into their engine lids etc. Snoop around a marina, perhaps you might find something about louvers.
Those are real 356 hinges. I'd try a different air cleaner - some have offset throat that can allow mounting cantered different ways. Others have bonded aluminum louvers into their lids.
Rusty Tubs has a $495 louvered lid - not sure if it fits CMC.
http://www.rustytubs.com/porsc...ouvered-kit-car.html
Wolfgang, yes, I know they are, that's why I would like to see a close up view, B4 I start drilling holes. (well first, I've got to get rid of some serious rust, currently in a vinegar bath.)
yes those are 356 deck hinges,iwas looking for fiberglass panels wich i can cut and mould into rear deck lid , on fleabay they sell the aluminum paneled ones for 54.00 for a pair ,but im looking for fiberglass ones as they would be easier to mould onto the fiberglass rear deck lid,eventualy metal ones would stART showing seamsaround perimiter so fiberglass would be key. as far as air filter im looking around for a different kind of filter maybey an elbow to go to the side or ill just have to cut the inside of the deck out so the filter protrudes thru .. so many choices just want to get different ways people have done this .
sylvio
heres a pic of louvers in metal looking for same thing in fiberglass with 6 slots
I have spoken to Kirk at Vintage about this several times and he says he needs the entire car to do it, not just the lid. I'm not entirely clear why that is, but that is what he says.
I know Rusty Tubs used to offer a GT deck lid. They said that they sell the deck lids joined or un-joined. They specifically called out that the joined ones (where the halves were joined together) may not fit the contour of every car, so if you purchased a joined one and the contour didn't quite work for your car, you could send it back and get the two halves, in the raw un-joined state.
Maybe that's why Kirk needs the car there - to make sure it all fits properly?
The rusty tubs fiberglass GT deck lid didn't have the lovers cut out, you had to open them up yourself. I don't now how that would look/work.
I think the aluminum bonded lovers would look better, but I don't know how that would work without cracking. Aluminum and fiberglass don't expand at the same rates. Wouldn't that crack over time?
T
I have spoken to Kirk at Vintage about this several times and he says he needs the entire car to do it, not just the lid. I'm not entirely clear why that is, but that is what he says.
I know Rusty Tubs used to offer a GT deck lid. They said that they sell the deck lids joined or un-joined. They specifically called out that the joined ones (where the halves were joined together) may not fit the contour of every car, so if you purchased a joined one and the contour didn't quite work for your car, you could send it back and get the two halves, in the raw un-joined state.
Maybe that's why Kirk needs the car there - to make sure it all fits properly?
The rusty tubs fiberglass GT deck lid didn't have the lovers cut out, you had to open them up yourself. I don't now how that would look/work.
I think the aluminum bonded lovers would look better, but I don't know how that would work without cracking. Aluminum and fiberglass don't expand at the same rates. Wouldn't that crack over time?
T
If the evilbay ones are 5" or so wide - why not get them and try making a mold out of plaster of paris then make your own out of fiberglass ones. Yeah I too think bonded metal to fiberglass would crack at seams even with new epoxies.
Did you see these? Cut down and you might get 2 sets worth!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fiberg...8b52f3be&vxp=mtr
If the evilbay ones are 5" or so wide - why not get them and try making a mold out of plaster of paris then make your own out of fiberglass ones. Yeah I too think bonded metal to fiberglass would crack at seams even with new epoxies.
Did you see these? Cut down and you might get 2 sets worth!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fiberg...8b52f3be&vxp=mtr
8 x 12-inch, five slots. Not stock, but might work.
It's fiberglass - cut out the 5 or six you need and cut down middle so they are 5" wide. Once bonded and sanded - they loose original look.
joe soltis is occasionally on ths site. he has a beautifully done Speedster. Several years ago he molded aluminum stamped louvers into his deck. it's my understanding his lid has never cracked, even slid it off the back of the car one time. joe - still lookin' good?
Soltis' work
Sylvio- Be aware that because of the air running over the curved surface and creating a low pressure area immediately above them, they will tend to pull air out of the engine compartment. If you have a good size hole in the firewall this will create a crossflow and pull heat out, but if there's no additional air intake (besides the grille) it will take some of that air away from the engine. This will be most prevalent at highway speeds, and could result in a hot running engine.
Yes,
RustyTubs markets a glass louvered 'skin'--- as does SpeedsterClinic in the UK
Splashing a plaster mold (of something you like) and then laying up fiberglass, as Wolfgang suggested, is a cool idea...but be aware that your speeder lid is a 'bubble', that is, it's curved on both surface axis.
Carrera louvered style lids conforms to this slight curving away from both sides of you single grill...What you substitute (as a plug for a mold) probably won't. The wider the louvers are, the flatter they'll be...and visually awkward when spliced in.
Oliver in the UK spliced in narrow rows of metal louvers for just this reason...but perhaps thin steel louvers can be ever so slightly bent into a curved conforming shape before the mold making.
Should you go this route without botching it up, and it's tastefully done, you're in business...Literally!
Guess I am a bit late on this thread, but I have the mold for our own version of the louvered deck lid, not exact to the GT lid, but about the size of the louvers pictured in metal above. Happy to run just that section in raw glass for anyone who needs them, or just the outer skin to bond your own inner skin to (the Beck inner skin is Beck specific)
Sorry Sylvio, I could have saved you the trouble had I seen this earlier...
Guess I am a bit late on this thread, but I have the mold for our own version of the louvered deck lid, not exact to the GT lid, but about the size of the louvers pictured in metal above. Happy to run just that section in raw glass for anyone who needs them, or just the outer skin to bond your own inner skin to (the Beck inner skin is Beck specific)
Sorry Sylvio, I could have saved you the trouble had I seen this earlier...
I bought this Beck lid from a member here (Dubstub) and he said he originally got it from Cary Hines. It fit my CMC like it was made for it. (almost) All I had to do was paint it black and reposition the arms that attach the firewall brackets as the mounting location was different than my old CMC lid. Sold the car late last year.
I liked the Beck louvered lid because the louvers looked a bit more aggressive than the Rusty Tubs version.
Yup, that is my design lid.
On laying up the parts: by the time I PVA the mold, gel the mold, and then lay up the louver sections I bet I'll have $100 into it. If you want a set I'll do them at that price and the I can reevaluate what it really takes to do for future interest...
We run fiberglass parts every day, so it won't be a big deal to slip it into the mix anytime.
I'd be in for a set.
I don't want a set but this is another example of what great support Special Edition provides to all of us, Beck owners or not.
Supporting Merchant indeed!
Michael, you'd be right.
Art
There's not a whole lot of work involved.......IF you buy one already done from Carey....
Just bolt it to the hinges is what I call "not a whole lot of work" Gordon. I'm pretty sure it's more work than that, but I don't have any idea how much more.
id like to see what the panels look like before i give these metal ones to my buddy, and also does the beck lid fit perfect on the cmc bodied cars im assuming it doesnt .but i could be wrong.
sylvio
I'll drop the flanges off before I ship, and on this one I'll run it though the band saw and cut it in half.
I made this first one with the intent of cutting the louvered sections and it is NOT suitable for a complete reskin.
The ones I am running next week will be good for a reskin.
CRAZY day, but can get better pics uploaded maybe this weekend if needed.
Our hinges are different than CMC but I have been told the lid size is the same...
The lids are easy to trim the edges too if needed for fitment. I can also build them thicker on the edges if needed for trimming purposes.
More pictures please. So what do you do, cut a great big hole in the lid and fit the panel in to it? Cut two smaller holes in the lid and fit the louver sections in to them? What are the steps? Thanks, I'm VERY interested!
shoot me an e-mail and I can reply with pics from my phone (you are welcomed to post them too)
The OP was asking for something to graft in, so that was the idea of laying just that section. What would I do? I just make a whole new lid and discard the old one, but I have an advantage here 
What would I suggest? Having me run a whole skin and separating your old inner from the outer and rebonding them. (much easier than grafting in just the louvers, and less chance of seeing any body work down the line) It'll be some trimming and grinding on your old lid, and probably a PITA, but doable.
Just to clarify for everyone: I am running these UNTRIMMED (louvers solid, grill hole closed, raw primer gel, fresh pull from the mold) I'll drop off the flange so it is smaller for shipping, and if you buy just louvers it'll be in 2 pieces for even smaller shipping... Obviously I can trim them, cut open the vents, bond an inner, whatever, but time is money and I was just offering a way to get you guys louvers cheap. (several people e-mailed me and seemed a little confused as to why they were not trimmed/cut out/etc...)
It is not difficult to trim and cut open, but it is TEDIOUS and time consuming!
Looking forward to getting one next week...thanks Carey !
id like to see what the panels look like before i give these metal ones to my buddy, and also does the beck lid fit perfect on the cmc bodied cars im assuming it doesnt .but i could be wrong.
sylvio
Silvio,
See my post above. That is my CMC with the Beck lid. It fit the body perfectly! The hinge mounting points were a little different (closer together) so I used a 1/2" spacer to bring my hinges closer together and ended up a happy camper. Luckily I had enough paint left over to paint it to match and it really made the back end of the car look sweet.
