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A lot of good advice here! Essentially, if you're ok with driving a Volkswagen Beetle (one that leaks badly) year-round, go for it. Yeah, a Subaru engine will modernize it somewhat, but the rest of the car is essentially (somewhat updated, mind you, but still) 1930's-1940's automotive technology, so between the mopping it out every time it rains and the regular maintenance (and it does take more maintenance/repair than a more modern car) it's a high price to pay for trying to make a car like this your dd. And it will take a very special lady to put up with this Madness long term as well. As previously said (a few times now), these cars are fair weather toys, to be enjoyed when you have the time to just get out and DRIVE! Keep the daily driver- it'll be the one sane thing you do if you go down this road.

What hasn't been said enough- if you're looking at buying new, STAY AWAY FROM SAS! The guy is (I think) close enough to retirement and he's figured out the money's in taking deposits (17 or $18,000 to start?) and he never has to build another car again. The queue is long (12? 15? 20? have put up deposits and are "faithfully" waiting) and there are a couple guys that have been waiting since 2011? and still expecting he'll build their cars. Even after a bankruptcy in 2012 he's convinced people he'll deliver. Must be quite a talker (I still think a couple of people in the queue need to go visit him with a Louisville Slugger; what can I say...). Search the forum here for more information.

Yoda out (for now, but back you know I will be!)

"That's because 7:00 pm is when "Wheel of Fortune" starts.  No kidding....."

Ok, @Gordon Nichols , that was the laugh of the day right there!

And another PS- @Stan Galat- that last post was so right on!

And yet another PS!!!!- Musbejim(sp?) is legendary for the mileage he's driven his Speedsters over the years, but it needs to be pointed out that he is retired (I think?) and there's a big difference in slogging around to the stores running errands and ripping up and down the Coast Highway vs enduring the rush hour traffic thing to work every day. 

Ok, I think done now I might be

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too bad Toyota doesn't get into the Speedster business, they'd last forever!

that said, as I look back on the past couple months (sorry to you all in the rest of the country) here in Central California, there have been only a couple days Whitecloud hasn't taken a spin for groceries, manufacturing parts, church, practices, etc.

that said, we've not had snow, sleet or hail...yet...

"You're wife doesn't care, because she has decided that she doesn't want to die in a Shriner clown car attempting to navigate the Dan Ryan, or be eye-raped by a Latvian tow-truck driver with 12 teeth."

I lol'd. And not just because, in this case, I think Stan is writing personal journalism.

Welcome to the madness DKENNEMO. We root for oneanother here, and we joke around a bit, but you need to know: Stan is not joking. 

If by "daily driver" you mean to say "my only car," you will regret purchasing a Speedster replica of any sort. You have to keep a Honda, Suby, or at least a pickup truck in reserve for those 300 or so days in the year when driving the plastic fantastic is just not prudent.

 

Stan Galat posted:

Let's say you're a car guy, and you'd like something different, beautiful, and fun. You see a speedster on the street corner or a picture of one sitting resplendent on the lawn at Amelia Island or Pebble Beach. You remember seeing shots of James Dean or Steve McQueen, aviators and unlit Luck Strikes, and some babe on their arms. The whole thing strikes you as perfect.

You're aware that 60 years have passed since these cars were new, but the idea that you are a smart guy (a car-guy!) and enough time has passed that technology should have caught up with a replica, which has the advantage of being able to incorporate new and better technology. The available used cars are all air-cooled-- but the thinking goes, "it really is a simple car, I'm sure with quality parts it could be at least as reliable as my riding lawn-mower". You figure you'll do a Subaru conversion as soon as it's feasible.

You hear that some guys (ahem) have driven their car from the heartland to one coast or another, and lived to tell the tale. You read about a guy from SoCal who uses his car for a daily driver and has had two with 130K mi between them. You see cars with less than 1000 mi. all over the internet advertised for $.75 on the dollar, and you think, "That guy was a pansy. A man like me would keep that thing and make it usable."

Guys tell you you'll never use a replica as a daily driver and it's easy to think they just aren't as smart, or persistent, or manly as you are. You read the questions some guys are asking, and you grow to suspect that everybody who's ever owned one of these is a lawyer or accountant that didn't know how to work on anything. You're not that guy, and as such you discard any advice they have for you.

Summer comes, and you find a Vintage Speedster on Craig's List or Auto-Trader selling for <$20K, and jump on it. You think about flying out to wherever and driving the car back, but you're busy accounting or lawyering or administrating so you get it shipped back home. $2000?!? Whatever-- it arrives on the back of a transport and it's gorgeous. It's titled as a VW. That seems funny. You call your insurance agent-- he wants nothing to do with it. You buy a pair of aviators, and take your wife for a drive around the block.

The car stinks of unburnt fuel. You attempt to stop in traffic, and just about put the trailer ball on the back of some 90 lb soccer-mom's Expedition through your windshield. The seat is awful. There is 1/4 turn (either direction) of slop in the steering and if the shifter has a gate, you can't find it. You decide that there's something wrong, and you'll fix it. It's a VW after all-- how much could this stuff really cost?

You stop for an ice-cream cone and the car won't restart. It rides home on a flat-bed, and the tow-truck driver has a very keen interest in your wife's thighs on the ride back. She's (thankfully) not at all happy with this. You have no insurance, so the ride home costs $300. AAA seems like a good idea. 

You come on here, and read. You find that all of this stuff is not unusual. For some reason, the car starts just fine now. You locate a shifter (for $200?!!?), and attempt to tighten up the steering with the adjustment on the box. It's no better. The brakes are a source of perpetual discussion online. Some guys are happy with a $200 kit, other guys swear you need to spend $2000 on brakes apparently sourced from NASA. You cut down the middle, and order a set from one place or another for about $1000. They aren't in stock.

Meanwhile, you locate a company that will insure it. You have to promise not to drive it anywhere besides off the back of a trailer into a car-show. "Pleasure drives" are OK-ish, but the car has to be parked in a locked garage, with a security system and two Rottweilers always on patrol. You're wife doesn't care, because she has decided that she doesn't want to die in a Shriner clown car attempting to navigate the Dan Ryan, or be eye-raped by a Latvian tow-truck driver with 12 teeth.

This is your first week. You've spent $2000 to get the car shipped to you, $300 for the tow-truck, $1000 for the brakes that may (or may not) arrive within the next couple months, and $200 on a shifter that's coming from Thailand. You've lied to the DMV, and bought insurance that won't let you drive the car. It's parked anyhow, because you don't trust it to restart. You don't have time for this.

You find a place in CO or AZ or WA that will do a Subaru conversion for $10K, plus the engine. You realize that this wouldn't fix the steering, the brakes, the seat, or the shifting. Transport there and back will be $4000.

You go out to the garage to stare at it. It's more beautiful than you remembered it, but there's a puddle under the engine. 

This is the first week. It doesn't get easier after this.

How true I think I fit in most of those situations and you forgot that once your in so deep a hole you hide the expenses from everybody especially your wife so that you don't lose face or have to admit you’ve been so DUMB . Madness for sure  

All this said, don't start to think that these cars are crap, because when weather conditions are right and you aren't sitting in heavy traffic there is little on four wheels that is more fun.  we call it "The Madness" because you have to be a little (or a lot) crazy to get into it, but the rewards are incredible.  Just understand these cars for what they are and you'll be happy.  Those that are for sale with a few hundred miles on them were bought by people who did not head that advice.

Also, don't let Stan's description of the first drive scare you either.  Bought from the right owner or manufacturer they can be very rewarding to drive right out of the gate.  If not, the sorting involved shouldn't be too onerous for someone who likes to turn a wrench.

Jethro posted:
calmotion posted:

@Jim K@Robert M it’s too bad with SAS they seem to make good SUBI

I bought a used SAS Cabriolet that was built in 2012.   My only real gripe is that it uses the Subaru wheel hubs that have an unusual bolt pattern.   So to get neat wheels, you have to use an adapter.  On the plus side, it has ABS and traction control.

there is a place where you can get subie disks that are able to be drilled to whatever bolt circle you need...ie: vW, Porsche etc... just saying. 

Lane Anderson posted:

 

Also, don't let Stan's description of the first drive scare you either.  Bought from the right owner or manufacturer they can be very rewarding to drive right out of the gate.  If not, the sorting involved shouldn't be too onerous for someone who likes to turn a wrench.

Well said, Lane. While I think Stan's pontifications are well intended and somewhat with tongue in cheek, his words might put a cloud of negativity to someone just looking to get into the game. 

Having said that, I might represent the other end of the spectrum with a low budget approach and found an older IM Speedster in Boise, Idaho with about 8,000 miles on it. Many emails went back and forth with the owner and then my Wife and I flew out there, bought the thing for $6,500, then drove it over to upstate NY and into Canada with a bone stock 1600 cc VW engine in seven or eight days. The only repairs were to tighten down the shifter bolts and four new tires in Spanish, Utah. We had fun and still do. 

Very few would find a Speedster suitable as a daily driver IMO and my reasons for that are mainly for lack of visibility with the roof up, lack of crash protection and the danger of getting caught in heavy traffic on a freeway in a downpour. On any fair weather day, the fun is hard to beat. 

DKENNEMO wrote:

"Stan, that's HILARIOUS. Oh, my sides ... Yet I sense the ring of truth somehow..."

No, sorry, guy, but everything Stan wrote has happened to too many people on this forum.  That's why you see so many almost new cars for sale with only a few hundred miles on them.  These cars are NOT a Boxster nor a Miata (both of which could easily be considered "better" by some) and are NOT for everyone.

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Gordon Nichols posted:

DKENNEMO wrote:

"Stan, that's HILARIOUS. Oh, my sides ... Yet I sense the ring of truth somehow..."

No, sorry, guy, but everything Stan wrote has happened to too many people on this forum.  That's why you see so many almost new cars for sale with only a few hundred miles on them.  These cars are NOT a Boxster nor a Miata (both of which could easily be considered "better" by some) and are NOT for everyone.

  Yes - buy one and Stan's post will seem much less hilarious. I don't have any regrets yet, but know that the potential is there.

 Bill

 

D, I see that Stan has now written a pretty accurate description of the first week of Speedster ownership.

For legal reasons, he didn't name the Latvian tow truck driver with twelve teeth, but we all know who he's talking about.

Imagine what happens to the human mind when subjected to this kind of abuse and frustration for more than just a week. Eventually, judgement and decision making are affected. One is left with a distorted sense of reality.

You do things like look at a simple Volkswagen engine and decide that everything will be better if you modify the heads to take eight spark plugs instead of four (this actually happened to one desperate Speedster owner).

Don't say we didn't warn you.

 

The only thing Stan left off - was parking on a hill to find Speester enveloped in a puddle of gas and combustible fumes --- or a pool of 3 quarts of fresh Brad Penn oil (and the EPA standing by on both!).

Retired in NW FL and drive a '16 Miata to pick up meds, partake of early bird specials, and attend Parrot Head meetings.  Lots of same issues (but modern creature comforts) It to is small and unseen by the jacked up Ford 150's and SUVs.  Added loud Hella horns and flashing 3rd brake light for my protection!

Stan, were you spying on me?  I had my wife read your post and she said, "how did Stan get into our house?"  I said, " how do I know , I never met the guy...maybe he's a hacker."

But anyway, there is not a lie or exaggeration in any of these statements or opinions.      There is no way to rationally justify the decision to buy one these cars other than fun.  

 

Jethro posted:
calmotion posted:

@Jim K@Robert M it’s too bad with SAS they seem to make good SUBI

I bought a used SAS Cabriolet that was built in 2012.   My only real gripe is that it uses the Subaru wheel hubs that have an unusual bolt pattern.   So to get neat wheels, you have to use an adapter.  On the plus side, it has ABS and traction control.

I have one that I just bought and enjoying the additional power. Also has the ABS / traction control. 

Ohhhh my....... I just returned home from a long day and, after enjoying weeks of banter between other Speedster guys, I read this stream of incredible data.  Here is my first impression after a little background on my own Speedster experience. 

   1983, a bicycle store owner who drove and loved Vdubs, buys a junker VW while reading a Popular Mechanics article about, “kit cars.”  Timing said, I needed a second car for my wife.... Yea, I thought, I could build this in the advertised 40 hours.... and drive it the 4 miles each way from my house to my shop everyday.  I know, nuts, really, really nuts!  But, in fact, less than a year later, I was driving it every day.  Some bugs and issues reared their ugly heads. However, I kept reading, (books back then) and talking to bug guys and going to VW shows and, I concoured the issues.  I drove this on 100 + mile runs, daily drove it for work and errands, had lots of fun learning some car mechanics and basics and beyond.  I got into the VW hobby and bought a 68 sedan that was in a field with a tree grown through the floorboards and out the sunroof. Yea, really, no kidding and restored that for my, “winter car.” Then, I found an old Porcshe 914 for a few hundred bucks and restored that the next winter. All the time using my Speedster as my regular car. And then, my little girl was getting to high school age and I garbage picked a VW bus with no motor or trans and restored that so that she could drive it for her senior prom. In between, all the time using the Speedster for fun in the summertime, I rebuilt a bunch of motorbikes from Mopeds to Vespas to Puchs from the 60s to old BMWs which I still own and love! I restored a 75 Beetle convertible with autostick to give my daughter when she left for college. It was a beauty! 

  So, yes to breaking down on the highway, running out of gas due to a crappy gauge, not starting after gassing up due to a loose wire at the starter yet, I HAVE ALWAYS MADE IT HOME on my own. With a little bit of knowledge, common sense and what my friends call, “McGyverism” I would not give up this hobby, my old Speedster or a moment of these experiences for a million bucks. ( Well, maybe for a million.... or, some other hell of  a good deal!) 

You guys are a great bunch and I can’t wait to cruise down to Carlisle and meet a few of you.  First round is on me!

  

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