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New baby arrived 3 weeks ago, (JPS Speedster)

After driving her for approximatly 40 miles, the odometer shows 74 miles, what can I do to correct this? 

  The steering wheel was way off center and I removed it and the collar. I aligned the collar where 2screws were vertical on the left, the other screw was at 90degrees, and the tab(that cancels the turn signals) on the bottom was at 180degrees , this seems to be the only way the steering wheel can be straight.

 

does this sound correct?

  The steering also has a little play, how can I tighten it up? The car weaves going on a smooth road.            

                                                                                    Thanks for any help, RonM

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40 miles is about 65 Kilometers --- your speedo's odo is perhaps in kilometers. If you were doing 60 and all the grandma's passed you then the entire Speedo is in km and you were only going 37 mph!

 

You can also center the steering wheel by adjusting the tie rod ends - do same on both sides in opposite directions to retain alignment.

 

Steering box can be adjusted but it could be too much air pressure or need caster shims.

 

http://www.vw-resource.com/ste..._box_adjustment.html

 

Last edited by WOLFGANG

Uh-oh.  Sounds like JPS is on the loose again.  My car also had some front end issues as-delivered.  Took me a while to sort them out.  Not necessarily in order: all tires were way over-pressurized: 35 psi or more.  22 F and 26 R would be more like it.  Steering wheel was actually a bit loose -- took a while to figure a good way to tighten the large nut that holds it, and keep it tight.  I ended up using some blue Loctite.  Toe-in (basically all you can readily adjust to achieve front end alignment)  was never even thought of before the car was delivered. It wandered around and was pretty skittish down the road.  Turns out I had lots of toe-out (!).  You can get the toe-in set pretty well w/ just a tape measure.  Should be about 1/4" toe-in.  I did this myself w/ tape measure and wrench.  Be sure to do both sides ~equally, and keep the st. wheel centered.  Car must be on the ground and free-rolled fwd to where you do the adjustment.  And lastly: the pitman on the steering gear has two nubs on it that should intercept two adjustable set screws attached to the body when turned lock-to-lock.  The idea here is that w/out these stops, the gear can run the tires too far over in either direction, so that they actually stop against the torsion bar ends -- that is a rolling rubber-to-fixed-steel abrasion.  Guess who wins??  I had a deep groove with tire cords worn on the inner sidewall before I found this.  I was not too far from a catastrophic blow-out.  The set screw sockets were there on the chassis, but the screws were missing.  Check for this, and if you have the srcews in place, be sure there are jam-nuts applied to keep them there.

 

You should check all of this, and take the wheels and have them balanced.  Once I did all of this, the difference was dramatic -- it was a totally different (better) car.   Sad to say, some of these small items get past JPS and his QC, and the cars go out still needing some important attention.

There can be caster and camber alignment issues in addition to toe in/toe out.  Front wheel camber adjustments are incorporated in the upper ball joint mountings - a concentric nut.  Caster (especially if car is lowered with beam adjuster (s) - can be adjusted by adding $9 caster shims.  Heck, even loose wheel bearings can contribute to wander. 

 

 

Last edited by WOLFGANG

Kelly, you can set the camber fairly easy, that should be done first before toe. Mine is pretty aggressive, at -1.5 degrees. But stock is about zero camber, not positive, not negative. And I only use 1/16" TOTAL toe-in. Mine tracks very well, but still has good turn-in bite.

 

If you don't have the tools or know how, take your car to an old-timey or aircooled shop. Regular tire/alignment shops won't know what to do with you.

Originally Posted by WOLFGANG - '89 CMC FWB, FL:

40 miles is about 65 Kilometers --- your speedo's odo is perhaps in kilometers. If you were doing 60 and all the grandma's passed you then the entire Speedo is in km and you were only going 37 mph!

 

You can also center the steering wheel by adjusting the tie rod ends - do same on both sides in opposite directions to retain alignment.

 

Steering box can be adjusted but it could be too much air pressure or need caster shims.

 

http://www.vw-resource.com/ste..._box_adjustment.html

 

Thanks for the info, it does have 30 psi in the front and 31 in the rear. I will change that tomorrow. The car has the Subbie engine, I don't know whether that matters or not.

                                                                                RonM

Originally Posted by El Frazoo:

Uh-oh.  Sounds like JPS is on the loose again.  My car also had some front end issues as-delivered.  Took me a while to sort them out.  Not necessarily in order: all tires were way over-pressurized: 35 psi or more.  22 F and 26 R would be more like it.  Steering wheel was actually a bit loose -- took a while to figure a good way to tighten the large nut that holds it, and keep it tight.  I ended up using some blue Loctite.  Toe-in (basically all you can readily adjust to achieve front end alignment)  was never even thought of before the car was delivered. It wandered around and was pretty skittish down the road.  Turns out I had lots of toe-out (!).  You can get the toe-in set pretty well w/ just a tape measure.  Should be about 1/4" toe-in.  I did this myself w/ tape measure and wrench.  Be sure to do both sides ~equally, and keep the st. wheel centered.  Car must be on the ground and free-rolled fwd to where you do the adjustment.  And lastly: the pitman on the steering gear has two nubs on it that should intercept two adjustable set screws attached to the body when turned lock-to-lock.  The idea here is that w/out these stops, the gear can run the tires too far over in either direction, so that they actually stop against the torsion bar ends -- that is a rolling rubber-to-fixed-steel abrasion.  Guess who wins??  I had a deep groove with tire cords worn on the inner sidewall before I found this.  I was not too far from a catastrophic blow-out.  The set screw sockets were there on the chassis, but the screws were missing.  Check for this, and if you have the srcews in place, be sure there are jam-nuts applied to keep them there.

 

You should check all of this, and take the wheels and have them balanced.  Once I did all of this, the difference was dramatic -- it was a totally different (better) car.   Sad to say, some of these small items get past JPS and his QC, and the cars go out still needing some important attention.

Hi El Frazzo, a lot of hi tech info here. Yes my tires have a lot more pressure than that, 30f 31r. Will adj. tomorrow. Will this make it a lot harder to steer? I'm still trying to figure how to jack up the front. I have a Max Jax 2 post 4 arm lift. I have decided the only way it will work, I will have to get some plates made for each arm and pick the car up by the Tires.                           Thanks again for the info

Your car looks like mine, Carmona Red Subbie?

                                                                           RonM

A few years back a few of us experienced a "sloppiness" in the steering wheel caused by a very small amount of wear in the splines that connected the pitman arm to the steering box sector shaft.....   It seems the splines "bedded down" as milage was piled on....  The cure was very simple....  Tighten the clamp nut / bolt on the pitman arm using a 1/2 inch drive socket and a cheater bar about 2 or 3 ft. long.   A quarter turn on the clamp bolt / nut can tighten things right up if this is the problem....

 

I mention this because a new steering box should not require adjustment....  There are apparently some Heco in China boxes on the market that are junk and probably never work properly....   

 

My .02 drachmas....

Ron:

 

As you can tell, we've all seen a lot of problems with new, JPS cars, especially those delivered to the East Coast. 

 

Because of a lot of problems seen with newly delivered East Cost cars we worked up this acceptance checklist to make sure your car is at least safe when you start to drive it. (It's up under the Resources tab, but I don't know if non-supporting-members can see it so I'll copy it here.)

 

Yes, it's a lot of stuff, but at least you'll KNOW your car is safe, rather than be sorry later.........

 

 

Acceptance checklist for a new Speedster/Spyder (any builder)

 

Note:  This list is just a beginning and doesn’t cover every optional item or accessory available from the builders.   This is only meant to get you to a safe and acceptable car before and upon delivery.

 

Safety Inspection

 

Suspension

  1. Check all tie rod ends for tightness. (22 ft. lbs.)
  2. Check tie rod locking clamps for tightness. (22 ft. lbs. for clamps, 29 ft. lbs. for locknuts)
  3. Check ball joints/front hubs for no-play tightness (jack up front, bar under tire and jiggle)  Ball joint nuts should be 36 ft. lbs (10mm nuts ) or 51 ft. lbs. (12 mm nuts)
  4. Check the front wheel bearings for (a.) adequate lubricating grease and (b.) proper bearing pre-load (.001”-.003” acceptable end play).
  5. Check front axle beam mounting bolts for tightness (36 ft. lbs.)
  6. Check pitman arm nut for tightness (72 ft. lbs.)
  7. Check for max +- 1” play or less at top of steering wheel, front wheels centered.
  8. Check steering wheel hub nut and wheel adapter attach bolts/screws for tightness.
  9. Check steering column coupler and steering box mounts for tightness. (18 ft. lbs.)

10. Check ALL wheel lug nuts for proper torque (5-lug= 72 ft. lbs., 4-lug = 90 ft. lbs.) NOTE:  alloy wheels may require different torques.  Check with your builder for proper wheel lug torque settings.

 

11. Check spring plate bolts for tightness on rear suspension (87 ft. lbs.)

 

12. Check diagonal arm bolts for tightness (87 ft. lbs.)

 

13. Inspect rear torsion bar cover plate for tightness

 

14. Insure that all corners of the car sit equally

 

15.  No “creaking” or squeaks or clunking when fender corners are bounced – all shock absorbers should be tight.

 

16. Check rear wheel hub castellated nuts – torque to 260 – 275 ft. lbs.

 

17. Check the mount points on any anti-sway bars (if equipped) for proper tightness.

 

Brakes

  1. Inspect all wheel brake cylinders, flexible hoses and fittings for any leakage.
  2. Check the master cylinder (pull left front wheel for easy access) for any leaks at the fittings, and/or any leaks at the push rod behind the brake pedal in the cockpit (look under the carpet for wetness).  The brake fluid reservoir should have fluid to the “Full” mark in both halves of the container.
  3. Check that the brake pedal push rod keeper is in place on the brake pedal.
  4. Make sure BOTH foot pedals are lined up equal when at rest.  (the adjustment is on the floor below the pedals)
  5. Check Brake pedal free-play – should be ½”-¾” Max travel at top of pedal.
  6. Firmly depress the brake pedal.  It should feel quite firm.

Brake Road test: 

  1. Check for good stopping power – There should be no side pulling when applying brakes, but remember that these are NOT “Power assist” brakes and a bit more foot power may be required to stop.
  2. Test emergency brake when underway – there should be no side pulling when e-brake is applied. If there is, then the ebrake should be adjusted on both rear wheels.

 

Lights/horn

  1. Check Horn
  2. Check all lights including brake lights
  3. Check for proper operation of directional lights and emergency flashers
  4. Check inside courtesy lights for operation

Gauges

  1.  Check gauge lights for proper operation (yes, some backlit gauges tend to be dim)
  2.  Check all gauges for proper operation – Fuel, Temp, Pressure (if equipped) Tachometer should be smooth (these tend to fail a lot) and Speedo should be smooth, quiet and not jumpy when under way.
  3. Check fuel gauge – NOTE!  Some fuel gauges have more needle “swing” when the car is in motion than others.  Needle swing of up to ½ tank is considered “normal”.

Cockpit Functions

  1. Check windshield wipers
  2. Check the operation of all Dashboard switches.
  3. Check Emergency Brake operation – engage brake and release clutch in 1’st gear.  Engine should immediately stall.
  4. Check clutch pedal free play – should be 3/8” at top of pedal, adjustable at the throw-out arm on top/side of the transmission (Big Wing Nut).
  5. Gear Selection – should be able to easily engage all forward and reverse gears without “searching”
  6. Check operation of the heater/defroster controls
  7. Check operation of the A/C controls and cold output – output from the cold registers should be about 40 degrees

 

 

Engine

  1. Check fan belt free-play – push against the belt half way between pulleys – belt should deflect about ¾” and not “squeal” when engine is rev’d.  Tension is adjusted by adding/removing shims between the upper pulley halves.  Extra shims should be between the upper pulley nut and the outer pulley half.
  2. Check all fuel line connections for tightness and no leaking
  3. Check timing:  6 degrees BTDC at idle for vacuum advance distributors, 30 degrees BTDC at 3000 rpm for centrifugal advance distributors
  4. Check oil level with engine off.  Dip Stick is just to the right of the lower fan belt pulley and has lower (fill) and upper (full) embossed marks on the stick.
  5. Remove air cleaners and check carburetor top screws for tightness – replace air cleaners
  6. Check idle speed – Should be around 800 RPM and smooth after warm-up.
  7. If you have access to an air flow meter, synchronize all four carburetor throats.
  8. Inspect engine for any oil leaks, especially at pushrod tubes (either end), sump plate, base of cylinder barrels at the case, oil pump (behind lower fan belt pulley) and at bottom of the bell housing.  A little oil wetness from behind the lower (crankshaft) pulley is considered normal.
  9. Check for oil leaks at any fittings used for an external oil filter and/or external oil cooler.  These items may be mounted almost anywhere on the car, so you’ll have to trace the hoses and see if all fittings are dry.

10. Check operation of the engine breather system if so equipped.  Breather is a box mounted to the firewall with hoses running to the valve covers, or a box mounted to the top of the oil filer, or a can mounted to the top of the oil filler.  There should also be a hose running either down past the oil dipstick to vent below the engine, or, rather, a hose venting into the air cleaner of one or both carburetors.  There should be no leaks from this system except for the hose vented to below the engine.

 

11. Check for proper heater operation (if equipped).  There are several different versions of heat.  Ask the builder or previous owner how it works and make sure it is producing heat.  These cars are notorious for only producing minimal heat so don’t expect too much.

 

12. When idling, it is considered “normal” for there to be a small amount of valve noise (gentle clicking).  Hard knocks, raps grinding or hammer-noises is not considered “normal”.

 

13. Check Valve Clearance:  Steel Push rods are set to 0.000 - .002” Intake and Exhaust.  All other engines with aluminum push rods are set to .006” for BOTH intake and exhaust until you find out from your engine builder the correct spec for your engine (there are many variations on this – it’s best to talk with your builder).

 

 

Transmission

  1.  Inspect transmission for leaks at all seams, at side plates, at filler (side) and drain (bottom) plugs, and at wheel back plates (for axle seal leak).
  2. Inspect bottom of bell housing for oil leak – this could be caused by either a transmission input shaft seal leak or an engine flywheel end seal leak.
  3. When underway, the transmission should shift smoothly and easily into all gears with no whining or grinding.
  4. NOTE!  Reverse is often found by pushing down on the gear shift lever, moving left as far as possible and then pulling back (with the clutch depressed).  On some cars there my be a reverse lockout button on the side of the shift handle that must be pushed in, or a reverse lockout ring on the front of the gearshift lever that must be pulled up before moving the lever to “reverse”.

 

Cosmetic Items

Exterior

  1. Check door hinge bolts for tightness
  2. Check for paint overspray on all surfaces
  3.  Site along outside doors for surface waviness – they should be straight
  4. Site along body contour between engine cover and rear seat – it should not be wavy or bulbous (indicates a bubble in the fiberglass)
  5. Entire car should be free of paint cutting/polishing compound – this stuff looks like flat colored paint or off-color dull paint (or no paint) and you should be able to scrape it off with your fingernail.  It should not be left on there and should be removed by a professional paint/autobody company.
  6. Check for excessive “orange Peel” in the paint – this can be removed by color-sanding the paint, but requires a professional paint/body shop to do it.
  7. Check for “runs” in the paint – these, too, can be color-sanded out by a professional shop.
  8. Check for blemishes in the chrome everywhere.
     

Interior

  1. Check for professional seams in the carpets, door panels and seats
  2. Check for proper installation of carpeting and vinyl panels – most of these are glued on and sometimes let go.
  3. Check for tightness of any interior accessory – door and window handles, dash grab handle, rear view mirror(s), dash knobs, convertible top latches
  4. Check the radio (if equipped) for proper operation in all modes (bring along your iPod for an MP3 driver)
  5. Check power windows (if equipped) for proper and smooth operation.
  6. Check for smooth operation of the seats fore and aft – check operation of the recliners if so equipped.
  7. Check operation of the cup holders if so equipped.
  8. Check operation of any auxiliary power points if so equipped.
  9. Check for smooth operation of the convertible top and proper latching of the top to the windshield header – the latches should pull the top in about ¼”-3/8” only.  All snaps along the rear bulkhead (behind the rear seat) should line up with their respective snaps on top without excessive pulling/alignment.

10. Check the installation if the side windows to make sure they fit properly with no serious gaps.

 

Typical DMV Inspection Items

  1. Ball Joints – free play
  2. Wheel hub play – should be zero hub play on all four wheels
  3. Steering play - +- 1” left/right play at top of steering wheel
  4. All lights should be operational – including parking lights
  5. Directional Lights, brake lights, emergency flashers should work
  6. Engage emergency brake, start engine and allow to idle, engage first gear, bring engine rpms up to 2,000 and release clutch – engine should immediately stall.
  7. Wipers should work (only one speed is necessary – two speeds is a bonus)
  8. You should know where your Vehicle Inspection Number (VIN) is located:  Pan based cars have the VIN stamped into the top of the central tunnel behind the seats.  IM VIN Location:       Beck/Special Edition VIN Location:  SAS Vin Location:   VS/CMC/JPS VIN Location:  Thunder Ranch VIN location:
  9. VW-Pan-Based cars should not be subject to current emissions testing as they are usually registered as the VW VIN number which suggests that they are early VW beetles and smog test exempt.  IM and Beck cars must be registered as “replicas” to be smog exempt, while SAS cars usually are registered as year-of-manufacture and pass smog tests for that year as a Subaru.

 

Shipping Notes

 

  1. If possible and within your budget, ALWAYS SHIP IN A CLOSED CARRIER AND STIPULATE THAT YOU’LL BE ABOVE OTHER CARS.  If not, you may end up on the bottom of a 2-level truck and have brake fluid or oil drip onto your car, or have road debris, thrown from another vehicle, hit your car.  Not good.
  2. Past experience has shown that “winched on” is better than “drive on”.  Too many times we’ve seen damage caused by a driver who simply did not know the car and screwed something up or broke something.
  3. Always ask on the SOC for a list of recommended transport companies and use the ones recommended.  To not do so is at your own (and your car’s) peril.
 

The Speedstah Guy from Grafton

I have been saying miles, but apparently it is kilometers, they were racking up a lot faster than normal. When the car was unloaded it had 1 on the speedo. How many feet is that?, for a test drive. Do all the Speedsters have kilometer speedometers? What will the speedo show at 45 and 55mph? All in all I do feel my JPS car is built very well.

                                                                                             RonM

To get a ball park idea of your motoring speed, take the reading of your speedo and multiply by .62   because one kilometer is .62 miles

 

For instance, 80 Kph (indicated) would be about 50mph (8 times six is 48+) and so on.  You'll get good at approximating your true speed in your head very quickly.

 

Not all Speedster builders supply speedos in kilometer read-outs.  Miles per hour are available but some of the lesser builders do not use them, telling buyers that the KPH version is "more authentic to the original car" rather than being convenient to the new owner.

 

Oh, and if you haven't checked all of the items in the above list for "Suspension" and "Brakes" before you go tooling about the neighborhood, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR CAR IS TRULY SAFE?  Because your builder told you so or because you tested the car yourself (or have a trusted mechanic do it)?  

 

NO reading between the lines here......Our experience on here has positively shown that you MUST check these things yourself after delivery to catch those left undone by your builder. 

Last edited by Gordon Nichols
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