Yes ,Dale's are made with that method
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Subject: Wire Mesh Stone-guards
While reading this string I noticed the later solution is done without the glass headlight cover. I like the idea of being able to install the guards over the glass (keeping the headlight bucket intact and dry).
Yesterday, I went to the Ventura German AutoFest yesterday (in Ventura, CA.) a fine event.
One of the "great halls" was set-up for vendors. They were selling a lot of early Porsche stuff: Logo horn rings, collector books, touring badges, Mobile Flying Horse Decals, etc.
One vendor had one pair of the over glass stone guards with the top clips and screw flange (like those in the photo M. McSween posted at the beginning of this string). Price $140.00, I snapped them up.
In my discussion with the guy who offered them he said his partner was coming for the swap meet today (Sunday 9/12) and would be bringing three or four more pairs of guards, the guy standing next to me said he'd buy whatever they deliver. The vendor said his supplier told him that he would not ship him anymore, so this is the end.
The supplier told the vendor that wage inflation in China has made wholesaling the stone guards impractical. Seems to me the manufacturer may have discovered he can sell them on eBay with little difficulty without the middleman and can make an incredible profit from these obsessed Porsche "356" fans.
While I was glorying over my purchase I noticed the stone guards are similar in construction to a wire mesh colander or some noodle spoons I've seen in restaurant supply stores. Maybe I'll contact a kitchen supply manufacturer or two and give them specifications for the stone guards and let them price a gross or two, for resale (remember all those VW owners).
While reading this string I noticed the later solution is done without the glass headlight cover. I like the idea of being able to install the guards over the glass (keeping the headlight bucket intact and dry).
Yesterday, I went to the Ventura German AutoFest yesterday (in Ventura, CA.) a fine event.
One of the "great halls" was set-up for vendors. They were selling a lot of early Porsche stuff: Logo horn rings, collector books, touring badges, Mobile Flying Horse Decals, etc.
One vendor had one pair of the over glass stone guards with the top clips and screw flange (like those in the photo M. McSween posted at the beginning of this string). Price $140.00, I snapped them up.
In my discussion with the guy who offered them he said his partner was coming for the swap meet today (Sunday 9/12) and would be bringing three or four more pairs of guards, the guy standing next to me said he'd buy whatever they deliver. The vendor said his supplier told him that he would not ship him anymore, so this is the end.
The supplier told the vendor that wage inflation in China has made wholesaling the stone guards impractical. Seems to me the manufacturer may have discovered he can sell them on eBay with little difficulty without the middleman and can make an incredible profit from these obsessed Porsche "356" fans.
While I was glorying over my purchase I noticed the stone guards are similar in construction to a wire mesh colander or some noodle spoons I've seen in restaurant supply stores. Maybe I'll contact a kitchen supply manufacturer or two and give them specifications for the stone guards and let them price a gross or two, for resale (remember all those VW owners).
I hope not.
I haven't worn a "noodle guard" since my football days.
Signed,
Mr. Manicotti
I haven't worn a "noodle guard" since my football days.
Signed,
Mr. Manicotti
Please, please, please can anyone forward me the instructions. Thanks Bruce for the ingenious+ the sharing.
Ignacio
Ignacio
Oh, by the way I forgot to tell you all you can find the "original style" in the following web page for $99.99 a pair. I would still prefer making Bruce's as I have runned out of cash after purchasing a CMC recently.
Ignacio
Ignacio
Forgot this:
www.tweeks.com/shop?frame=2.102.2881
sorry
Ignacio
www.tweeks.com/shop?frame=2.102.2881
sorry
Ignacio
Does this mean they will be renamed ....Noodle Guards ?
The mesh is also known as hardware cloth available at most lumber yards and farm supply stores. There are also different coating you can find like cold dipped galvanized and something that looks shiny and close to a chrome finish ...how well it would hold up is unknown to me,the mesh comes in 1/4 & 1/2" square hole sizes.
The mesh is also known as hardware cloth available at most lumber yards and farm supply stores. There are also different coating you can find like cold dipped galvanized and something that looks shiny and close to a chrome finish ...how well it would hold up is unknown to me,the mesh comes in 1/4 & 1/2" square hole sizes.
Probably a fairly easy project using the headlight rims, cutting, shaping the mesh in a convex configuration and then affixing the mesh to the back side of the rims with JB Weld , Liquid Steel or a similar product...just my .02
Bruce am I "close" on this ? ........... Alan
Bruce am I "close" on this ? ........... Alan
I bet that back in the 50's the Porsche factory guys didn't have a low-cost-Chinese-supplier to go to for their stone guards for the Pan-American Carerra.......they would just take a sketch to Deiter back in the prototype shop and he would work a few up. They probably didn't look perfect, but I bet they looked pretty damn good!
I'm with Bill, but maybe he (we) should look for stainless-steel, 1/2" wire cloth and see if a colander-maker could make a batch for cheap bucks, OR someone could come up with a cheap kit or something. I might be able to do just that, but I would need a good finished product to model or find a local source.
Anyone got one out there I could play with (non-destructively, of course) for a couple of weeks? I would probably carry it around to local shops here in New England to see if it could be copied in Stainless.
gn
I'm with Bill, but maybe he (we) should look for stainless-steel, 1/2" wire cloth and see if a colander-maker could make a batch for cheap bucks, OR someone could come up with a cheap kit or something. I might be able to do just that, but I would need a good finished product to model or find a local source.
Anyone got one out there I could play with (non-destructively, of course) for a couple of weeks? I would probably carry it around to local shops here in New England to see if it could be copied in Stainless.
gn
Back in the summer of 2001 I decided to take my dream drive to Alaska via the Alcan. After logging into a couple of Alcan road web sites and doing a lot of reading I decided to get some of the previosly mentioned hardware cloth and with tin snips I fashioned screens for the radiator, parking lights and headlites on my Ford Escape. Worked great, not a broken anything by stones and also got lots of the really big flying critters. I fastened the hardware cloth to the car using black wire wrap ties, worked super. Hardware cloth could easily be used in my opinion, maybe spray with a silver paint over the galvanised hardware cloth.
Bruce
Bruce
My brother went high tech on his '62 Austin Mini going up the Al-Can.......he returned to New England in late '65 (after the big Earthquake) with some nifty plastic domes over the headlights, used to deflect stones.
Not as cool as the mesh guards, though........
Not as cool as the mesh guards, though........
Maybe a trip through Home Depot or Lowe's aisles may source a chrome or stainless mesh type product. I have been using these stores for replica parts and donor items for years.
Thanks Bruce for the tip
Ignacio
Ignacio
Hardware cloth is galvanized, I think, so it has kind of a dull finish. Also, the wire in hardware cloth appears to be layered top perpendicular to the bottom and the galvanize seems to hold it.
The stone guard mesh is really woven- alternating over-under over under. And it seems to be more "springy" than hardware cloth.
The stone guard mesh is really woven- alternating over-under over under. And it seems to be more "springy" than hardware cloth.
The woven alum mesh available from McMaster Carr worked well for me - easy to shape, and appears to be holding a nice shine. I believe the 12" square sheets were aro $4.00 ea + freight. If you go this route, use the recommendation of Bruce Lowell for thickness of the mesh.
Would it be possible for someone to email the instructions for fabricating these great looking stoneguards. Thankyou - Mike
I would also be very grateful if someone could email to me the 'destructions' (as my 4-year old calls them) on how to make these wire guards.
Cheers,
Jim
james.webby@us.bosch.com
Cheers,
Jim
james.webby@us.bosch.com
Michael & Jim - you have mail............
Hey Dale Why not just post the details in the knowledge section?
Troy
Troy
Dale,
Thanks for the email.
My only question now is how do I get to CA so I can use Bruce's head!
(Bet that's got a lot of people wondering).
I agree that these should definitely be in the knowledge section.
Will be trying this out once I return from a weekend of frantic ATV trail riding through the upper peninsular of Michigan (watch out for those Yoopers!).
Cheers,
Jim.
Thanks for the email.
My only question now is how do I get to CA so I can use Bruce's head!
(Bet that's got a lot of people wondering).
I agree that these should definitely be in the knowledge section.
Will be trying this out once I return from a weekend of frantic ATV trail riding through the upper peninsular of Michigan (watch out for those Yoopers!).
Cheers,
Jim.
Bruce, Erik and everybody else, wow! I've been kicking that idea around for a long time myself, and I'm going to have to do that now. Sweet look and you can't beat the price!
A couple of months ago I added driving lights and was able to install the mesh stoneguards in between the bezel and the lens, therefore leaving the lens in place. I am happy with the way they also came out. If anyone is interested in a pic, let me know and I will post one.
Re suggestion to post instruction in Knowledge - I agree, but I think Bruce Lowell should have the honor of doing this. Got to give credit where credit is due.
Re suggestion to post instruction in Knowledge - I agree, but I think Bruce Lowell should have the honor of doing this. Got to give credit where credit is due.
Just tell me how to post to Knowledge sect, and I will do it, or give my permission to anyone who already has the instructions that I sent them to post to Knowledge.
Bruce
Bruce