This is a topic that has been discussed many times in the past (see https://www.speedsterowners.com...rged-header-phat-boy); however, does anyone sell a simple exhaust system to fit a Volkswagen engine similar to the one seen on this Porsche 912 engine that Chuck Olenyk installed in his 365 Outlaw? If so, who and what would there be it's draw backs?
Certainly it would provide a bit more ground clearance than an A-1 system and it would make adjusting the values much easier.
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Check out Vintage Speed's Sebring exhaust system.
Gene Berg sells one that has the collector tucked up a little higher than normal. It looks similar to what you displayed:
But I think the one you might want (to get the collector and muffler(s) up out of the way) might be a 908. Anyway, here's the Berg site and you can poke around - wine glass is optional:
http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=15_441
Call them. Tell them what engine displacement you have, valve sizes and ask them which zoomie tube diameter you should have. I have a 932DP but I wish the collector were a tad higher (the higher one wasn't available in 1996 when I bought it).
Cliff, the system you are looking at without muffler must a screamer? Here in SoCal we have areas of low noise levels and patrolled by the local police- New Port being one place.
Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) posted:Cliff, the system you are looking at without muffler must a screamer? Here in SoCal we have areas of low noise levels and patrolled by the local police- New Port being one place.
Hello Michael,
Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system actually does has four steel packed bottle mufflers and the exhaust sound, while a bit loud, does not seem to be as loud as the sound that might come from an A-1 exhaust system which many Speedster replica owners use in California.
To hear what Olenyk's exhaust system sounds like, go to the following YouTube website listed below. Once there, advance to minute 9:56 to get an idea how nice they sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSKO3Er-Yg
James posted:Check out Vintage Speed's Sebring exhaust system.
James,
That Sebring exhaust system seems to emit a very nice sound:
https://www.facebook.com/danie...os/1138232692853415/
Do you think it would work with a 2110cc engine. . . and would there be any lose in power versus using the A-1 exhaust system which I current have installed?
that is a bursch system, on the porsche engine. you could get one and cut the ends off that bold to the heads and change from d port to round as on vw. bill
Cliff Presley - 56 Outlaw - Charlotte NC posted:James posted:Check out Vintage Speed's Sebring exhaust system.
James,
That Sebring exhaust system seems to emit a very nice sound:
https://www.facebook.com/danie...os/1138232692853415/
Do you think it would work with a 2110cc engine. . . and would there be any lose in power versus using the A-1 exhaust system which I current have installed?
Cliff,
You should contact Vintage Speed and ask. They are really quick with responses and are very helpful. The main contact's name is MT.
James
I read somewhere that the proper pipe diameter makes a big difference in performance, so I would recommend learning about that early in the game. I just bought an exhaust system from Vintage, and the quality of the construction is amazing. I am running a stock engine and I love the deep, throaty sound of my setup. I certainly did not want my car to sound like a dune buggy, and I am very happy with my purchase. Sorry I did not rev the engine in this clip....
Mark
Jeff, the Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system sound awesome, not sure how much benefit I would get in a stock 1600 CC? I love the Sebring, but what some of the folks mention on this sit before makes sense, they are better for the Carrera engines.
Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) posted:Jeff, the Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system sound awesome, not sure how much benefit I would get in a stock 1600 CC? I love the Sebring, but what some of the folks mention on this site before makes sense, they are better for the Carrera engines.
The sound that comes from Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system is as good as it gets; however, it's coming from a Porsche 912 engine. Could a similar sound be duplicated if an identical exhaust system was fitted to a 2110cc VW engine? Oh, he did say his engine gained 15 extra HP with that custom exhaust system.
Hmmm, I may do it. Yes, it may be fool hardy to try such an experiment but some expense might be saved if the headers were pirated from the A-1 exhaust I currently have. At least one thing seems certain. The one to two inch additional ground clearance Chuck's design would give my car versus the limited ground clearance my present A-1 system gives my car might make the gamble (expense) worthwhile.
Cliff Presley - 56 Outlaw - Charlotte NC posted:Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) posted:Jeff, the Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system sound awesome, not sure how much benefit I would get in a stock 1600 CC? I love the Sebring, but what some of the folks mention on this site before makes sense, they are better for the Carrera engines.
The sound that comes from Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system is as good as it gets; however, it's coming from a Porsche 912 engine. Could a similar sound be duplicated if an identical exhaust system was fitted to a 2110cc VW engine? Oh, he did say his engine gained 15 extra HP with that custom exhaust system.
Hmmm, I may do it. Yes, it may be fool hardy to try such an experiment but some expense might be saved if the headers were pirated from the A-1 exhaust I currently have. At least one thing seems certain. The one to two inch additional ground clearance Chuck's design would give my car versus the limited ground clearance my present A-1 system gives my car might make the gamble (expense) worthwhile.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Go for it!
Cliff Presley - 56 Outlaw - Charlotte NC posted:Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) posted:Jeff, the Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system sound awesome, not sure how much benefit I would get in a stock 1600 CC? I love the Sebring, but what some of the folks mention on this site before makes sense, they are better for the Carrera engines.
The sound that comes from Chuck Olenyk's custom made exhaust system is as good as it gets; however, it's coming from a Porsche 912 engine. Could a similar sound be duplicated if an identical exhaust system was fitted to a 2110cc VW engine? Oh, he did say his engine gained 15 extra HP with that custom exhaust system.
Hmmm, I may do it. Yes, it may be fool hardy to try such an experiment but some expense might be saved if the headers were pirated from the A-1 exhaust I currently have. At least one thing seems certain. The one to two inch additional ground clearance Chuck's design would give my car versus the limited ground clearance my present A-1 system gives my car might make the gamble (expense) worthwhile.
Just sell the A-1 and offset the cost.
Anyone running this type of exhaust from Tiger?
That style of merged exhaust has been around a long time and works really well, Michael, but with a muffler on it sticks out past the bumper and looks a little unsightly. The Sidewinder design (although not quite optimal with it's slightly longer primary tubes) packages it much better within the bodywork of the car.
I had one. I think I still do in a box somewhere. They work better than anything out there. Getting it to fit under a car is not easy.
ALB posted:That style of merged exhaust has been around a long time and works really well, Michael, but with a muffler on it sticks out past the bumper and looks a little unsightly. The Sidewinder design (although not quite optimal with it's slightly longer primary tubes) packages it much better within the bodywork of the car.
Unsightly, yes, and just perfect for some jerk kid to come along and start bouncing on it. Not a good exhaust, in my opinion.
Yeah, Bob, it does have it's moments. As a much younger man I ran a 1756 with such an exhaust on my Cal Look bug and was always warning people to not burn themselves on it as they walked around the car.
Doesn't @Gordon Nichols run a traditional merged exhaust on his Speedster? IIrc he has a Gene Berg merged exhaust with dual mufflers. Pics of his car would show how far the tubing before the muffler sticks out.
Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) posted:Anyone running this type of exhaust from Tiger?
That's a race header to be used with a stinger.
crhemi (Bill) poboiinhawaii posted:Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) posted:Anyone running this type of exhaust from Tiger?
That's a race header to be used with a stinger.
There is a muffler made for that header-
http://www.piersideparts.net/m...egory_Code=A1EXHAUST
And to say that is a "race" header is a little misleading; a merged exhaust is the most efficient and will make the most power, whether the engine is a 1600 with dual Ict carbs that peaks at 4500rpm or a fire breathing 2 liter plus stroker that rev to 7 or 8,000 grand. That said, matching tubing size to the displacement and (notice the and) rpm range the engine will make power in is the key here, as too large and it will fall flat on it's face at all but the highest rpm's. The Ict'd 1600 would use 1 3/8" primary tubing, a 2 liter-2100 that makes power to 6,000rpm would require 1 1/2" tubing, a 6,000rpm 2276 or 2332 needs 1 5/8" tubes to work, while a 7,000rpm 2386 would need 1 3/4".
The sidewinder just turns the merged collector sideways for packaging purposes. Unfortunately the primary tubing length ends up being a little too long for the system to make the best power throughout the rpm range, but it is a very good compromise if you want the exhaust tucked away and (for the most part) not seen (or tripped over). Al
I don't really understand your question, Art. Speedsters are similar enough behind the engine and there are enough choices at most price points that you shouldn't have to be looking at building a whole custom VW exhaust. For 1 reason or another you may have to employ the services of a muffler guy to adjust the muffler (and/or tailpipe), though. A Speedster A1 Sidewinder through Aircooled.net is $279.95
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/A...w112-sw158-sw134.htm
and the accompanying muffler/tailpipe is$219.95
No worries ALB. I would only change to a 4-1 merge system. An A-1 won't work with my road and driveway clearances. And I am not in the market. I'll post questions that make more sense when I am serious. Thanks for the links
Happy Fathers Day
ALB posted:crhemi (Bill) poboiinhawaii posted:Michael B (aka bluespeedster SoCal) posted:Anyone running this type of exhaust from Tiger?
That's a race header to be used with a stinger.
There is a muffler made for that header-
http://www.piersideparts.net/m...egory_Code=A1EXHAUST
And to say that is a "race" header is a little misleading; a merged exhaust is the most efficient and will make the most power, whether the engine is a 1600 with dual Ict carbs that peaks at 4500rpm or a fire breathing 2 liter plus stroker that rev to 7 or 8,000 grand. That said, matching tubing size to the displacement and (notice the and) rpm range the engine will make power in is the key here, as too large and it will fall flat on it's face at all but the highest rpm's. The Ict'd 1600 would use 1 3/8" primary tubing, a 2 liter-2100 that makes power to 6,000rpm would require 1 1/2" tubing, a 6,000rpm 2276 or 2332 needs 1 5/8" tubes to work, while a 7,000rpm 2386 would need 1 3/4".
The sidewinder just turns the merged collector sideways for packaging purposes. Unfortunately the primary tubing length ends up being a little too long for the system to make the best power throughout the rpm range, but it is a very good compromise if you want the exhaust tucked away and (for the most part) not seen (or tripped over). Al
Oh Al, your are so right again, the pipe path out the back is really ugly. No I remember my dad having that on his 59 bug and I always ran into the hot pipe with my shin. Having the merger positioned sideways is safer. Stupid question, what pipe path is the "primary"?
The primaries are the tubes that go from the exhaust ports on the heads to the collector, Michael. And not a stupid question, 'cause now you know...
Gordon Nichols posted:Gene Berg sells one that has the collector tucked up a little higher than normal. It looks similar to what you displayed:
Looks familiar
The Berg header run the #1 and #3 pipes in the stock location so doing a valve adjustment is as easy as stock. They also clear the thermostat. Add Type 126 tins to close the gap by not having heater boxes.
Art posted:No worries ALB. I would only change to a 4-1 merge system. An A-1 won't work with my road and driveway clearances. And I am not in the market. I'll post questions that make more sense when I am serious. Thanks for the links
Happy Fathers Day
@Art This is my A-1, no ground clearance issues at all.
crhemi (Bill) poboiinhawaii posted:@Art This is my A-1, no ground clearance issues at all.
Very nice compact fit.
ALB posted:The primaries are the tubes that go from the exhaust ports on the heads to the collector, Michael. And not a stupid question, 'cause now you know...
Thank you Al. Getting myself familiar with this exhaust stuff.
Sometimes (if you're an old school Hot Rodder), they're called "Zoomies", especially if they exit the exhaust flanges and point more-or-less straight up - like on a Dragster engine. But then, you'd have to be as old as AlB (or older) to remember that and even then, the memory fades, ya know?
And what were we talking about, again?
There are many efficient exhaust systems available along with the cool factor. But there are only two guys i know who build ones for max performance. Pete Weber of the phase 9 fame and Dominic at M&M muffler here in Auburn. Pete builds a custom unit where Dominic builds a true merge design with reversion tubes and stepped. For max performance those are the ones
Anthony posted:There are many efficient exhaust systems available along with the cool factor. But there are only two guys i know who build ones for max performance. Pete Weber of the phase 9 fame and Dominic at M&M muffler here in Auburn. Pete builds a custom unit where Dominic builds a true merge design with reversion tubes and stepped. For max performance those are the ones
Got any links or pic's of their work?
