My new car

Stan Galat posted:

I'd feel bad clogging up this thread with an irrelevant rabbit-trail, but it's Phil's to start with so...

If we won't ask 20 year old kids from 4 to 8 schools to play an extra game to give them a chance at a national title out of fear of injury, aren't we really saying that the whole system is a farce? We feel good and justified with 12 games played for free, but 14 is just asking too much? This reminds me a the old Roman system of justice-- 40 lashes satisfied any punishment, so everybody was flogged 39 times with a whip embedded with nails and glass.

You pointed out J.T. Barrett playing on a 6-day old surgery-- I suspect he did that because he wanted a shot to be able to continue to play. I would suspect that if you asked ANY of the players on on the teams ranked 5- 12 if they would play another game for the right to a national championship, they would all want to keep playing.

A system that deliberately keeps kids at home, who want to keep playing, because we feel guilty that we aren't paying them is ludicrous. Nobody is asking the players what they want, because we all assume we know what's best for them That's paternalistic and comes dangerously close to a slave-owner mentality. 

PS: Nobody likes one-and-done in college hoops, and my guess is that it will change sometime soon.

Yes, Stan: the whole system is a farce.

Football is barbaric. The science is building. Like boxing, it's got to be ended for the health of the players (as well as the fans). 

Stan some of your comments about college sports and student athletes ring of exploitation.  Look I'm a crazy college football fan and I would love nothing more than a 16 game tournament.  Just not sure how practical it is.  Yes its a shame that the PAC 10 and the Big 10 may be left out of the playoff.  But the 3 best teams in the country are Oklahoma, Georgia and Clemson.  Regardless of a 4 team or 16 team playoff, one of those teams will be crowned national champion.  Personally I'm rooting for Baker Mayfield.  Hope to see lots more windmill celebrations and maybe even a little crotch grabbing.

Stan Galat posted:

Student-athletes. It’s a pleasant fiction, no?

Whatever it takes to sleep at night 

yessss.....any oxymoron like "jumbo shrimp"..........there are some serious students, those smart enough to know that they wont make it to the NFL, or those wanting to be able to walk/talk/think when they are 39(unless you are Tom Brady and married to a super model). 

Ed I certainly agree that science will unequivocally show that football causes CTE and brain damage.  But there's just too much money in football and for poor, particularly black kids, football is the only pathway out of poverty.  Football is not going anywhere anytime soon. 

Stan;

It is right up there with trickle down economics.

550 Phil posted:

Ed I certainly agree that science will unequivocally show that football causes CTE and brain damage.  But there's just too much money in football and for poor, particularly black kids, football is the only pathway out of poverty.  Football is not going anywhere anytime soon. 

Who’s explotive?

So, if I’m understanding this correctly, 15 games is exploitive, but 14 is less exploitive, so its the better way?

I’m pretty sure we cannot have it both ways. In for the penny, in for the pound. 

Back to cars. Car will be taken to Outfront Motorsport tomorrow for new and improved ECU and full dyno. Full report to follow. 

Phil;

Great looking build. !!

If you guys want to see some good football, tune into the CFL sometime (Canadian Footbal League).  We don’t have any of that sissy ‘four downs’ stuff.  If you can’t make ten yards in three downs, you shouldn’t be playing football. 

It’s actually exciting to watch, and the games don’t move at a snail’s pace...which we will be able to say about Phil’s car, too.

Phil,

That really is an impressive car. Looking good!

LOOKING really nice.  

Dang Phil this looks amazing, looking forward to dyno result. 

Awesome build going on there!  Beautiful..

Hey Phil,

Looking great! How are you going to title it here in VA?

Pete

It’s alive!!!!!!!

SWEET!!!

Bob: IM S6 posted:

If you guys want to see some good football, tune into the CFL sometime (Canadian Footbal League).  We don’t have any of that sissy ‘four downs’ stuff.  If you can’t make ten yards in three downs, you shouldn’t be playing football. 

It’s actually exciting to watch, and the games don’t move at a snail’s pace...which we will be able to say about Phil’s car, too.

I'd rather watch the Women's Football League...

Yes.  That would be about your speed...

Bob: IM S6 posted:

Yes.  That would be about your speed...

Don't knock it, those Amazonians hit harder than the men!

Deriere installed 

Beautiful car............

Wow.  Looking great, Phil.  

Getting mighty close, Phil. 👍

550 Phil posted:

It’s alive!!!!!!!

I so love the internal combustion engine.

That's not stock, and it makes me love it even more. You got a flywheel at all in that thing?

looking good

They tried to dyno the car at the wheels yesterday and it burnt up the clutch.  Installing a heavy duty clutch and will try again Monday.  Greg said last stock suby dyno'd at 155hp at rear wheels.  With the bigger cams and ported heads I'm hoping for more like 165-170 at rear wheels.  We will see.

Keep in mind that even with the stock suby engine Outfront is not using the stock ECU.  Claim is about 200hp at crank and 155hp at rear wheels using stock engine and 93 octane.  Obviously a stock engine with stock ECU and with 87 octane is about 165-175 at crank.  Which is still plenty.

I'm gettin' scared! This thing may need outriggers and ballast to keep it grounded.

It sounds awesome!

Making me re-think my engine choice in the Coupe I'm building...

Gonna need new shoes:

The Subie torque is awesome stock my engine put out 175hp but with the headers and the free flow air filter I might have another 5hp .... but as you know an extra 20hp is always easy to take... with cams etc... you should get to 200ish especially with a tuner who can adjust for his build on the ECU. If you need to retune you can always drive out there... 

Looks and sounds awesome, Phil. Can't wait to see this one in person.

Sounds GREAT!

Interior shot. ECU behind passenger seat. 

Henry stuck all my electronics under the rear parcel shelf.  Same as your case, no one would ever know that's it's there.

Phil:  Your car is going to be so sweet.  Just a screamer.

I'm looking forward to a ride in this, Phil!

Yes ECU must be in passenger compartment.  No where to hide it in spyder, unlike 356.  I'm sure I can come up with come way to camouflage it a little better.  Greg says its the fastest naturally aspirated suby car he's ever driven.  He's done a few turbo subys and Porsche 6's which are faster but I'm sure its fast enough.

I love the fact the car is made to add a role bar if the need is felt.  See the mounting points on the side bars.  There is a third mounting point in the passenger foot well.  3 point role bar is the way to go.  If its feels a little too scary fast I might get one.

Get this.  My wife says she won't let me use her Mercedes ML Bluetec diesel to tow the spyder.  She says that she doesn't want to be seen driving a child's car, my red Fiat Abarth.  So I sold it and bought an Audi A3.  What a nice car.  Got all the S3 performance upgrades excluding the engine and brakes of course.  A company called APR can reflash the ECU and the 2.0 turbo goes from 220hp to 315hp.  Instant S3.

I looked at a BMW 2 series.  With the same equipment, minus Audi quattro, the bimmer was $10k more than the Audi.  I love bimmers but REALLY?  $10k more?  I also looked at the CLA Mercedes but it has no edge.  Felt like a girl's car.  

Phil

A roll bar is always a good idea.  It's one of the 'safety features' we had built into our IM6.  (Ha - safety features in a fibreglass go-kart is quite an oxymoron...).  It's secured right to the steel frame, so it's solid.

But it will make the car that one bit safer, and that's worth considering, for you and any passengers.

550 Phil posted:

Yes ECU must be in passenger compartment.  No where to hide it in spyder, unlike 356.  I'm sure I can come up with come way to camouflage it a little better.  Greg says its the fastest naturally aspirated suby car he's ever driven.  He's done a few turbo subys and Porsche 6's which are faster but I'm sure its fast enough.

I love the fact the car is made to add a role bar if the need is felt.  See the mounting points on the side bars.  There is a third mounting point in the passenger foot well.  3 point role bar is the way to go.  If its feels a little too scary fast I might get one.

I imagine that the roll bar would only be good on track days unless you plan to never have a right-seater. Doesn't the third leg of the roll bar pass right over the passenger's head into the footwell?

Car looking good Phil, Henry's set up sends the roll bar to the back for support with the speedster it works...   Audi's are nice... Have you seen the VW R hotHatch.. S3 different skin.. a real bomb and sleeper with over 300hp...  A friend has one and it is very impressive and has DSG for the wife