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FM Former Member
Before and after pics below....

Incase some of you didnt catch my history with this car... I bought it, and trusted the builder to have sealed the car well.. mistake.

It drove it for the first time in the rain and had 3" of water in the cockpit. :( it drained on its own... i had already removed the shottily installed cheapest-carpeting-you-can-buy carpet thankfully or i would have had more of a mess. anyway, i think caused the plunger on my master cylinder to rust and leak into the car then which nicely stripped much paint. There were a lot of spaces for sand and dust to enter the floorboards as well... 1. where the wireloom comes in the upper left wheel-well, no seal.. some of the glass to frame had gaps in it and some of the welds in the floor are not completely perfect "beads" (btw the center section of the car fully fabricated and not stock vw, as you may notice :) ).

So anyway, i bought an angle grinder and wire wheel last weekend, some rust sealer and a few cans of truckbed liner. a gritty sandpaper type finish after dry..

I will now buy some 1/8 inch neoprene, cut it to fit all shapes and glue carpet to it so it has the effect of being molded like new oem carpet does.

Anyway, has anybody really done this, i mean a really thorough job of finishing off the interior of one of these things so its sealed well, and sound deadened, clean and nice? I'd like to see other pics of pre-carpet interiors.
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FM Former Member
Before and after pics below....

Incase some of you didnt catch my history with this car... I bought it, and trusted the builder to have sealed the car well.. mistake.

It drove it for the first time in the rain and had 3" of water in the cockpit. :( it drained on its own... i had already removed the shottily installed cheapest-carpeting-you-can-buy carpet thankfully or i would have had more of a mess. anyway, i think caused the plunger on my master cylinder to rust and leak into the car then which nicely stripped much paint. There were a lot of spaces for sand and dust to enter the floorboards as well... 1. where the wireloom comes in the upper left wheel-well, no seal.. some of the glass to frame had gaps in it and some of the welds in the floor are not completely perfect "beads" (btw the center section of the car fully fabricated and not stock vw, as you may notice :) ).

So anyway, i bought an angle grinder and wire wheel last weekend, some rust sealer and a few cans of truckbed liner. a gritty sandpaper type finish after dry..

I will now buy some 1/8 inch neoprene, cut it to fit all shapes and glue carpet to it so it has the effect of being molded like new oem carpet does.

Anyway, has anybody really done this, i mean a really thorough job of finishing off the interior of one of these things so its sealed well, and sound deadened, clean and nice? I'd like to see other pics of pre-carpet interiors.

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Gordon NicholsGordon NicholsMassachusetts 1993 CMC Supporting Member
Nic:

On my CMC, slobbered Rust-Oleum all over the floor, brushed on from a can and nice and thick (but brake fluid will eat it up, too).

For a sound-deadner, I used Home Depot shop floor padding material - comes on a roll in the carpet department, is about 1/2" thick and about 5 feet wide. I applied it to the firewall, the dead-space area behind the rear seat, the inside of the doors and as floor padding beneath the carpets and under the carpet in the kick panels. Easy to cut, easy to apply (used rubberized contact cement for vertical surfaces) and seems to keep the sound down pretty well (although my exhaust noise may make that moot).

Sorry, but I don't have any in-process pictures of that.

Gordon
Gordon NicholsGordon NicholsMassachusetts 1993 CMC Supporting Member
That's why I went with this particular shop floor padding - it is a closed cell material, resistant to oil and gas and other nasty stuff, has a "skin" and easily shapes to countours like the tunnel and kick panel spaces. Water runs right off this stuff, and when I got drenched on the ride back from Carlisle I pulled the pads out, shook them off and they dried in the Sun in about 5 minutes.

BTW: I used a different type of closed-cell foam for the door padding under the vinyl - that stuff is 3/16" thick, was pink (to tell you it's non-static conductive - the regular stuff is white or blue) and comes on rolls for packing things for shipment - get it at the UPS store or Staples. It's also used for sill insulation in new houses, and comes in many, many sizes and thicknesses.

We're heading out "leaf-peeping" this PM, so I'll stop at HD and see what the heck my floor padding stuff is.
FM Former Member
leaf peeping??? whats that?

I also got some latexbased expanding foam... like "goodstuff" but different base/type that supposedly stays flexible and doesnt harden to a solid. I'm thinking i should have got some silicon instead and a caulking gun... we'll see how it seals after it dries completely.

I cut some access panels in the fire wall this weekend too. Looks like this center section is both round and squaretube heavily reinforced.

I'm going to take my seats into the upholstry shop tomorrow i think...

sell my solex 34 setup on ebay and buy a new engine this week as well as order the full carpet kit from vintage... I've also got to redo the door panels as I dont like the 6x9 speaker cutouts... If I do put a stereo back in this thing it will have components moulded & glassed into the kickpanels and a couple 10" woofers fiberglassed in behind the seats.
Gordon NicholsGordon NicholsMassachusetts 1993 CMC Supporting Member
Nic:

Several Home Depot's areound here have the floor mat I used. Unfortunately, I'm not completely sure of the SKU# (it was written on the product shipping tube, and didn't have a barcode label).

The one I got from the closest store is: SKU# 355 632 and the stuff is black, about 1/2" thick and about 48" wide and on a big roll. The cost is $4.49 per linear foot. It's mushy, in that you can compress it about 50% with your fingers.

Hope you can find it out there. I tried looking on the Home Depot web site but couldn't find it and their search engine didn't accept the SKU I had.

gn
FM Former Member
Gordon,

I'm going to look for some of this stuff here in the midwest for my project as well. I'll let everyone know if I am successful or not.

The foliage in Northern Michigan peaked this last weekend and was spectacular.

Why do the leaves turn such colours here in North America - particularly the vibrant reds?

Leaves elsewhere (Europe in my own experience) do not seem to be such exhibitionists, and are content with shades that vary little - from turd brown to cack yellow.

Can anyone provide some education for this uninformed "forner"?

Cheers,

Jim.
FM Former Member
hi all, another alternative is "ice and rain membrane" used by roofers under shingles
along a roofs edge to prevent ice dam damage. its self adhesive, molds great,
waterproof etc...in fact if any of you are familiar with "dynamat" thats used for
sound/noise control on car interriors during stereo installs i'm sure you couldn't
tell them apart except for the name "dynamat" on the back.
FM Former Member
Jim, different types of trees :)

I would love to think that that roofing stuff would work but I am in Phoenix - not a lot of ice or rain down here so I worry that they'll have it.... I will look though... if it doesnt work, I have a roofing friend that lays down some white latex or something to seal roofs - maybe ill have him do the car :)

execk2execk2
Hello Jim from Quebec, same longitude as you....


As summer ends and autumn comes, the days get shorter and shorter. This is how the trees "know" to begin getting ready for winter.

During winter, there is not enough light or water for photosynthesis. The trees will rest, and live off the food they stored during the summer. They begin to shut down their food-making factories. The green chlorophyll disappears from the leaves. As the bright green fades away, we begin to see yellow and orange colors. Small amounts of these colors have been in the leaves all along. We just can't see them in the summer, because they are covered up by the green chlorophyll.

The bright reds and purples we see in leaves are made mostly in the fall. In some trees, like maples, glucose is trapped in the leaves after photosynthesis stops. Sunlight and the cool nights of autumn turn this glucose into a red color. The brown color of trees like oaks is made from wastes left in the leaves.

It is the combination of all these things that make the beautiful colors we enjoy in the fall.

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hmmm cantori does sort of look like canton....

mr webby, do you use corrective lenses when you drive LOL>

well... i think im going to turn off the ol insurance to this one for a while. My engine is toast... and i dont think it's rebuildable per the stamp of 6 on each case half which im told means its probably been align bored to 60 thousandths. ? true ?

pics are comming up... new post time.
Gordon NicholsGordon NicholsMassachusetts 1993 CMC Supporting Member
Jim Webby:

On your question about the vividness of North American foliage, check out this site:

www.newhampshire.com/pages/foliagechange.cfm

Nice description of what's going on, but I think Mike already explained it well. It's just a combination of the types of trees, amounts of sugars and carotenes and chlorophyll in the leaves, with a little help from the Weather.

But the REAL reason I've always liked, is that the bright colors made all of the Native Americans happy at the end of the Summer, and that's how it should be!
Gordon NicholsGordon NicholsMassachusetts 1993 CMC Supporting Member
Jim Webby:

On your question about the vividness of North American foliage, check out this site:

www.newhampshire.com/pages/foliagechange.cfm

Nice description of what's going on, but I think Mike already explained it well. It's just a combination of the types of trees, amounts of sugars and carotenes and chlorophyll in the leaves, with a little help from the Weather.

But the REAL reason I've always liked, is that the bright colors made all of the Native Americans happy at the end of the Summer, and that's how it should be!
Gordon NicholsGordon NicholsMassachusetts 1993 CMC Supporting Member
Jim:

I emailed Jim Cantore from the Weather Channel and asked why the foliage colours are so vivid in North America and got this answer just this evening:

"Over 300 species of maples. All showing off at once !!!!! The hills help out too....."

According to that site above up in New Hampshire, the Maples have the widest variety of colours AND seem to be the most vivid. I wasn't aware of that many species, but I could probably point to a dozen or so that I'm aware of, just in the New England area, like several Sugar Maples, the Rock Maple, the Gray and the White Maples and so on. On top of that, there are a LOT of Maples, as well as a lot of other kinds of trees, all over the place. If they all change colour just a little differently, THAT would be pretty amazing just in itself. If you then add the Poplar and it's cousin, the Aspen out West in their shades of yelow and gold, then things start to REALLY get colourful.

Anyway, that's about it in a nutshell.......gn
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