hello jim kelly...i got your message...i'd like to chat with you since you seem to be the person i need that could help my situation please e-mail me at jamesdynajim@aol.com then perhaps we talk on the phone....thanx again
Here is the last iteration of the queue, as pieced together by a few folks over on the SAS Owners forum. This list is from February 2016.
Last February, I bought the car that was delivered to J.... E.... in November 2012. Since then, a total of 2 cars have been delivered. One of those was J... K......'s. So he's averaging 1 car about every 2.5 years.
Hoss (johnny2bolts), Tenessee: delivered 2004
Bill Re : #2 car: passed away and car sold to R.... M..... (raymead)
Ch... Ga.... (guru39), Georgia: contracted December 2004, delivered May 2008
P... Me..... (probins) : contracted June 2006, delivered September 2008
E. Sa....... (): contracted, delivered
No... Sc... (scottnp), Florida: delivered December 2008
M... G..... (mguthrie): delivered before 2009
S.... Pr...... (prishard), Indiana, contracted June 2005, delivered September 2009
S. Te..... (STeele), North Carolina: contracted June 2006, delivered June 2011--5 years
*K. V...... (Cavalho), contracted October 2006 - (spot currently for sale)
D.... W..... (bucky), Hawaii: contracted October 2007, delivered May 2010
C.... O..... (cowings), North Carolina: contracted May 2007, delivered Aug 2011--4.33 years
J..... E..... (East5426), Rhode Island: contracted June 2007, delivered Nov 2012--5.5 years
Er...R.....?, (eromp2000), Washington: contracted October 2007, delivered December 2011
*S.... W....(bby), Maine: contracted Nov 2007
J.... K..... (jkelly)(took Bob R (bobros) spot), Fiji: contracted May 08, delivered Nov. 2013--5.5 years
Davide (.......), Bahrain: contracted June 2008, delivered October 2015
*R. H......( rofo), California: contracted August 2008, passed away, but family still wants car
*D.... M..... (Mangs356), Minnesota, contracted Jan 2002 for Ford, then Nov 2008 for 356
*R.... P...... (rubeiii), North Carolina: contracted January 2009
*B..... S..... (saltcreek), Connecticut: contracted May 2009 (bought Gonzalo spot 10/07)
*E. B...... (edwardbradley), Maryland: contracted May 2009
*D.... M..... (donaldmoretti), Rhode Island: contracted March 2010 (current owner of Bill Re cab)
T... W..... (camaro168) , Indiana: contracted May 2010 (sold spot around 2012)
*MJ (mj80850), Hawaii: contracted March 2011
*T.... R....., (TAR2000), Florida: contracted July 2011
D.... S.... (yessir), Texas: contracted October 2011 (sold spot around July 2013)
*S.... D.... (sdaley): contracted December 2011
*T.... M.... (tommarantz), Massachusetts: contracted January 2012 (spot currently for sale)
*(MooseX), Nevada: contracted April 2012
*S.... (Stefan), California: contracted April 2012
*C.... R.... (Factotum), Kansas: contracted May 2012
*J... K..... (jkuhlow), Arkansas: contracted May 2012 (current owner of J.... E....... car)
*T... O'......: contracted December 2012
*S.... H...... (stuman0407), Texas: contracted March 2013 (bought spot contracted in 2010?)
*S.... H......, Virginia: contracted July 2013 (bough spot from D... S....., contracted October 2011)
Unbelievable!
wow..my name isn't even on the list!!...blood pressure rising!!!!!
Literally criminal. And so would be my response to him if he did this to me. Nothing I hate more than a con artist.
Really sorry for all those folks.
"D.... (da... ch......, Bahrain: contracted June 2008, delivered October 2015
*R. H....( rofo), California: contracted August 2008, passed away, but family still wants car"
Wow. Seven years in one case. Eight and still counting in another.
jncspyder posted:wow..my name isn't even on the list!!...blood pressure rising!!!!!
Chill for a bit. SAS didn't put this list together and it's not recent (Feb 2016) anyway. The folks who did may not have had all of the info. When did you first sign on?
They pieced together that list based on people posting here, on the SAS Owners Forum and The Samba, so it is not likely complete, and may be inaccurate.
It really is a shame. My car is a blast to drive, and it is one of the most unique 356 replica's in the world, with a power assisted top, AC, ABS, traction control, cruise control, Suby dependability, mid engine...
I don't know what the advertising rates are on the site, but I bet if some of the "regulars" on here would become supporting members that would offset the lost revenue from kicking SAS ads of the forum.
Of course that is a decision for the moderator, but it seems like a good compromise if y'all are really sick of seeing his ads.
Lane is correct. This is in no way official. This should be read as information gathered / compiled by public record. It is not an official list.
I have no dog in this fight. The mounting evidence in this situation leads rationally minded folks to encourage legal action.
Is the fear of losing the depost greater than the guilt of knowingly letting others jump into his Speedster A-ponzi Scheme. (See what I did there?)
I'm selling pitchforks and torches.
I just don't get it... I purchased my speedster 5/2011 and did at least a year of research even before stumbling upon the SOC. I took the 2.5 hr drive to Bremen and spent 1/2 a day with Kevin and Carey. Yes I bought the first car I drove and had 5 great driving seasons to figure out what I wanted.
What I don't understand is how someone can write a check or wire money without looking someone in the eyes and shaking their hand. Looking at the list there are only a few folks that could not take a short trip to TN. Is Steve a crook and fraud, probably but if people continue giving him money he will not stop, what is his incentive? I feel for everyone on the list, owning a speedster is more than the car. This is a community where I have found a bunch of guys and gals just as crazy as I am, actually I feel norma. It truly is the only car I have ever owned that just makes me smile every time I look at it.
As @Stan Galat told me very early forewarned is forearmed.
Curious how much people are putting down for a deposit - it must be 50-80%? Shame when several hopeful owners actually died before the car is delivered! Is the red one that was on ebay in Phoenix and needed a significant amount of work included in list as built and delivered? I was actually surprised to see that many actually built but more than that # are unbuilt! Didn't Hoss (red) and Nolen (silver blue) sell their? Do we know the new owners. So no one has contracted since 2013 or they just haven't gotten PO'ed enough yet? I remeber reading he had like 10 law suits again him in 2010 - was that when he changed the name from SAW to SAS?
I think I remember reading (in a former disgruntled owner's thread) that the initial deposit was 7,000 or 7500, with the same amount at the next step (which I think, the guy not having any evidence of solid progress, paid as well).
Jethro: Do you now own John Eastman's old car? That was the only one I've heard of with a power top.....
Almost everyone on the list will have paid $17 or $18K, depending on the model ordered, an initial deposit of $7K or $8K, followed by the first installment payment of $10K. It is a violation of privacy for Jethro to publish the list on SOC, since many of those guys (unlike Jethro) have used their full names, and they were not consulted. The information would be just as effective with screen names only.
As I have stated in the past, if users of SOC want more info on this subject, go to the SAS owners website: www.sasowners.freeforums.org.
Panhandle Bob posted:I don't know what the advertising rates are on the site, but I bet if some of the "regulars" on here would become supporting members that would offset the lost revenue from kicking SAS ads of the forum.
Of course that is a decision for the moderator, but it seems like a good compromise if y'all are really sick of seeing his ads.
There hasn't been SAS ads on this site for a while. No one seems to have noticed or cared and supporting memberships haven't increased. My previous points in other SAS threads remain the same, prospective buyers are free to search the internet for SAS information. These threads come to the top of google searches.
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I hadn't noticed Theron, because I rarely visit the site because I see and respond to all posts via email (unless I'm creating a new post).
Kudos for dropping the SAS ads!
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Kudos for dropping the SAS ads!
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Theron, Who else advertises here? (I don't pay attention to that sorry) I'd gladly increase my monthly nut to cover part of the lost revenue, provided some of the others step up as well...
Two thumbs up and a woo hoo Carey!!!
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I'll come back as a supporting member too.
And no one has even paid Steve the courtesy of a personal visit ?....so we hear...? .
Not to sidetrack this, but because of this thread several people have messaged me asking how to donate directly to the site. There is a new Donate button on the top menu or directly here.
https://www.speedsterowners.com...our-online-community
Thanks
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I, for one, am surprised to learn that he has actually delivered at least 16 cars.
Jim Kelly posted:It is a violation of privacy for Jethro to publish the list on SOC, since many of those guys (unlike Jethro) have used their full names, and they were not consulted. The information would be just as effective with screen names only.
I agree Jim. Jethro I edited out the names of the possible people on the waiting list. I wouldn't like my name being listed on a public website without my approval.
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Popcorn anyone?
I think that if I were on that list, I would be way beyond Popcorn and be hitting the sauce by now......
Gordon Nichols posted:I think that if I were on that list, I would be way beyond Popcorn and be hitting the sauce by now......
A baseball and go hit some one thing else...
Sorry, but I'm still surprised no one has invested in a plane ride and hunted him down. The Law won't make him accountable. Could be very satisfying...
Theron posted:Panhandle Bob posted:I don't know what the advertising rates are on the site, but I bet if some of the "regulars" on here would become supporting members that would offset the lost revenue from kicking SAS ads of the forum.
Of course that is a decision for the moderator, but it seems like a good compromise if y'all are really sick of seeing his ads.
There hasn't been SAS ads on this site for a while. No one seems to have noticed or cared and supporting memberships haven't increased. My previous points in other SAS threads remain the same, prospective buyers are free to search the internet for SAS information. These threads come to the top of google searches.
-=Theron
Thanks, Theron!
I would still encourage regulars to pony up a few bucks and support the site as a member or through a donation. Just seems fair, but some may not get the pleasure and help from it that I have.
Panhandle Bob;
I agree, the site provides vast amounts of information, camaraderie, and entertainment.
Approx. $.15 per day
Gordon Nichols posted:Jethro: Do you now own John Eastman's old car? That was the only one I've heard of with a power top.....
Yes. John Eastman sold it to a guy from Arkansas. He is in the queue, and bought John's car to keep him happy during the wait. Then, he decided to sell, and I jumped on it.
I just wish the SOC was not a party to this scam. Running SAS ads is complicit in the outrage. I think I've said all this before . . .
Ed you are a very creative dreamer.
Salty: I am sure that the dream would rekindle immediately, given a ride in a Speedster, and actually having one. A used IM is usually a fine choice. If Henry will help, you will be golden. Advice given for you to come to Carlisle is the very best you can get. There will be many variations on this theme to see and hear. There will be ample opp'y to drive some of the cars, and there will be a wealth of experience for you to tap into one-on-one. It's not too late (I think) for you to get plugged in.
PS: My above posting was run without having read Page Two of the thread. It was not too long ago that I noticed a SAS ad, so having dumped them is relatively recent. And I applaud the decision. And I will be happy to punch the Donate button to show my appreciation.
Kudos to Carey and his fine organization for offering to step up as well. We enter a new era -- the air smells fresher already.
ALB posted:Gordon Nichols posted:I think that if I were on that list, I would be way beyond Popcorn and be hitting the sauce by now......
A baseball and go hit some one thing else...
Sorry, but I'm still surprised no one has invested in a plane ride and hunted him down. The Law won't make him accountable. Could be very satisfying...
Bat. Just re-read my thread and realized I missed the word bat.
^ The baseball appeared to be getting larger and larger, then it hit me! 
He's here all week, folks. Try the veal and be sure and tip the waitstaff.
Greetings members, my boyfriend has been waiting 11 years for his SAS and it's obvious Steve Lawing has scammed him along with dozens of you fine people. We have heard nothing but excuses from him (on the rare occasion he'd actually respond to us) and he recently said he'll refund the $17,000 (when someone buys his spot). This is totally a ponzi scheme arrangement.
We have contacted the Attorney General of Tennessee and that's how we finally got ahold of Lawing and he called us with this nonsense of eventually paying us back (with no concrete plan or schedule, as he is totally full of ****).
Was this forum where we read of a group of people interested in a class action suit against SAS?
If this is the case we want in. What's the next step?
Has anyone actually received their refund in full? if so, what steps did you take and how long till you received your $?
Thank you.
hello...i waited 3 years...but i was lucky to get my $17K refunded...did the same with the AG along with BBB .....wish i had an answer for you....for me...SAS is just a painful memory.....best of luck JNC
jncspyder posted:hello...i waited 3 years...but i was lucky to get my $17K refunded...did the same with the AG along with BBB .....wish i had an answer for you....for me...SAS is just a painful memory.....best of luck JNC
Hi jnc, glad you got your$ back.
You waited 3yrs for your refund?!Ugh
What was your process? Did you bring him to court? Why do you think he refunded you and not other people? I'm curious of the steps you took. I'd like to give it a try as well.
As stated above, I also reported with the AG, in addition I'll make a report to BBB. Im surprised he responded to you based solely on bbb and a report with the ag.
It appeared to me he doesn't really care what the bbb rates him.
Again, so happy you got your $ back!!
(There is hope...)
again...i wish i had an answer for you....keep getting in his face....i didn't have to , but try small claims court....i think KARMA will catch up with him in the end....