Waiting on the thread dimensions and pitch but I need to find, borrow or steal wheel bolts/lugs for wide fives.
Ready to do the work but won't be able to do it without this one thing.
Waiting for SE to tell me threading and pitch but even if the same as my 4x130s, I need 4 more but would be better to just find a full set.
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They're either 12x1.5mm or 14x1.5mm. Take one to a local hardware store and compare.
I can take one off my 4x130s and put it in the rotor to see what SE sent but thought SE may be able to tell me what they sent me.
Unless AutoZone stocks them, I still need whatever fits my rotors. If it's something I can get at a box store, I'll go get them but assumed it wasn't a generally stocked item
Glenn wants to do it next week, that's the rush. If I had time, no post. Sorry if that wasn't clear
If they are lug bolts probably not. If they match what you have use them, and order 4 or 5 more.
If you text me a picture with the bolt on a tape measure I may be able to help. 12 mm should be just under 1/2" thread width, 14mm just over 1/2". That's it.
I was referencing a hardware store, which has metric bolts and nuts.
Remove one from your Cayman, they are DEFINITELY 14 x 1.5mm.
I think 5 lug are 12mm and 4 lug are 14mm.
@Michael McKelvey posted:I think 5 lug are 12mm and 4 lug are 14mm.
Not necessarily. His wide5 brakes are aftermarket, not stock. The 4 wheel discs on his Spyder are aftermarket also, in 4 x 130.
Yes, VW stock wide5 brake drums are all threaded 12mm.
My Airkewld discs are 14mm all around, that is specified 12 or 14 when you order. They're studs too, no bolts.
I know the VW guy in Drums PA probably has them in stock. Call Misty tomorrow, just don't get a transmission built.
If it was me, I'd get a set of screw-in EMPI studs(they have a shoulder to bottom out on). Put them in with red loctite, and buy a set of ball-seat lug nuts.
Or you could just buy the proper ball-seat lug bolts.
Ball seat, not conical or with washers for mag wheels.
This page covers most of it. Road trip!(Shipping is quick from them)
You're a stud Danny
I know, Michelle tells me all the time LOL!
Chris I have a big can full of VW wheel lug bolts. Probably mostly 14mm but who knows? You're welcome to any you want.
I ordered a set of 12x1.5 ball seat lug nuts from here.
https://track-studs.myshopify.com/
They have nuts and studs of every type and length.
If your running the 190 wheels, you'll need longer studs than what is used for the steel wheels.
When I ordered my 190s I also got longer studs. The studs that were sent me weren't the best. I had to run a die on them to clean them up.
Chris has custom centered rear rims for his long axles, his new wide5s are steel.
This place is cool too, I learned about it from SpyderMike at spyderclub.
Thanks everyone, U will see what I can get here soon enough and put my hands in Eds big can if I can't buy and ship
@DannyP, when I installed studs I didn't do as you suggest and bought press-in studs. This required drilling out the threads. With a drum on the drill press, the drill bit caught and started flinging the drum around. It hurts when it hits your wrist.
If you go for a stud kit, ball seat lug nuts are available at your local NAPA in multiple sizes.
Press-in studs are great, but often require clearancing on the back side, which is why I suggested the screw-ins. Not everyone has access to a machine shop.
If you just need 4 - get a set of McGuard wheel locks from local FLAPS. Little added security.
Get thread ins and use red loctite on them at the stud to rotor (not the nut). Your rotors are not set up for press ins, nor can you get the stud length you need between the hat and the rotor on those discs.
Standard for wide five is M12 but they also make M14. With the current backorder of parts we take what we can get and I honestly didn't look at yours before they left so I can't say for sure. Should be M12 1.5 but there's a slight chance they are M14. Your stock 4 lug is M14 so try one of those and if they don't fit you have M12
How long do they need to be?
I don't know what all the other stuff means so I am just looking at the lug bolts with a rounded-ish (perhaps conical) base at the top of the threads.
Do I need washers?
Also, so I am clear......
You are all suggesting I get the wheel studs (threaded on both sides), loctite the stud into the rotor to make it more like a common car's lug nuts, then get separate nuts (no loctite but that seems rather obvious).
Not getting the lug bolts I have on the 4x130. Correct?
@Chris MacDonald posted:Also, so I am clear......
You are all suggesting I get the wheel studs (threaded on both sides), loctite the stud into the rotor to make it more like a common car's lug nuts, then get separate nuts (no loctite but that seems rather obvious).
Not getting the lug bolts I have on the 4x130. Correct?
Yes, do studs and nuts. MUCH better than bolts.
Regarding the nuts (for bolts if you go that route). Make sure they are ball seat (sometimes called acorn) There are other versions that look similar at quick glance but really are not, like conical or 60 degree taper. Using these incorrect nuts will hold the wheel on, but you only get maybe 10% of the mating surface of the nut actually touching the wheel, which will eventually wear and loosen and create issues.
and, yes, no loctite on the nuts is a very obvious statement, BUT I've learned to try and spell out every detail like it's the first time because you never know...
On stud length: 1 1/2" is all you need for steel wheels. 3/8" into the rotor and 1 1/8" sticking out
@WOLFGANG posted:If you just need 4 - get a set of McGuard wheel locks from local FLAPS. Little added security.
OMG, please no. Wheel locks? Where do you live, the hood? Nobody wants our little 15" wheels, no matter how nice they are. And even if they're stolen, which they won't be, that's what INSURANCE is for.
Wheel locks suck, and then you go to the tire store and some moron sheers the key off in the lock with an impact gun.
As if McGuard carries ball seat metric wheel locks anyway...1/2-20 or 7/16-20 sure.
I took the locks off my Cayman that it came with.
What was sent was the Empi 22-2972-b. The Googlenet says 12mm and I confirmed 12mm physically. Got exactly the specs Carey stated, wheel studs coming just in time to get them to Glenn.
I must have missed it…. What’s Glenn doing on your car, Chris?
Chris is changing to wide5s because Spyders only look "right" with wide5s. Some people pretend this isn't true, but we all know it is.
He had four wheel discs in 4 x 130, and is doing the same in 5 x 205.
I'm guessing Glenn is doing the bolting and bleeding.
Ah, that clears it up.
Hey now, I'm moving to wide fives for an absolute lack of any other options I like.
Glenn said he could find 30hp with nothing but a hammer and bubblegum. He said the ability to stop is for weenies 
@Chris MacDonald posted:Hey now, I'm moving to wide fives for an absolute lack of any other options I like.
Glenn said he could find 30hp with nothing but a hammer and bubblegum. He said the ability to stop is for weenies
Hey Jack Nicholson: You can't handle the truth!
