Need some VS suspension info

Unfortunately, I've found that I left my notebook of useful tips and tricks up in Massachusetts and need some info from you'se guys.

I've trying to put a beam adjuster on the top beam tube in my new kit. I'll be running a single adjuster on this car just like Kirk does on his VS cars. I don't have the angle dimensions of where it's supposed to end up once installed, so can someone with a VS take a look under their front end and tell me where the stud in the central puck is?

If you could reference it to a clock face from the driver's side with 12 o'clock straight up and 9 o'clock toward the front of the car, then tell me where on the clock face the stud coming out of the puck is pointed I can take it from there. I'll have enough slack in the adjuster to dial it in later on.

Thanks much!

Gordon

Gordon,

I'm not at home or I would take a look for you. Possibly these photos will help. You can just see the adjuster on the upper tube. 2003 VS.

Looking from the driver's side orientation of the adjuster is 8 and 10.

hey Gordon - why not install the other adjuster while you are in there. that way - you will have a height adjustable suspension, not just stiffness adjustable.

Are you putting in PUMA or sway-away adjusters?

Silly question: Why can't we have two adjusters next to each other and cut the torsion leaves in half, minus a little?

That way we could REALLY corner balance these cars. You wouldn't need it that way on both upper and lower tubes, just one. The nice threaded adjusters would be the way to go for this.

Close up photo attached.

strange double post - must be the weather, eh?

Thank you Rich.....

Pretty much just what I was looking for.

Danny: Actually, that makes a lot of sense, except for getting the extra center puck in there. Because of the placement of a couple of pressed in dimples to keep the inner bearings from moving around and making it difficult to get the puck in there, you would have to cut entirely around the middle of the tube, separate it, put in another puck, cut the leaves in half at the middle and then cut an inch or so out of them so you have left and right halves, then weld in the adjusters while re-aligning the tubes (I would use one like Rich shows, rather than an "AVIS" because Rich's gets welded all around the tube, thereby giving its' strength back).

Mangodude: I'm doing it this way because I want to. I'll have 2" drop spindles on this car and don't need the height adjustment. I have dual AVIS adjusters on my other car and have, literally, never adjusted them and wanted to do something different on this one. If I decide later on to change it then, eh? It's about two hours of effort to add the other one and it's pretty easy. This will be fine.

I plead inexperience in the suspension dept. but I did find this:
http://www.swayaway.net/joomla/images/InstallInstructions/9902_VWBALLJOINTANDLINKPINFRONTADJUSTERS.pdf

Hope this helps!? SS

Wow....Scott!

That's great!

If I keep getting info like that I might even know what I'm doing!!

Thanks!

gn

For "reals" Gordon? I wasn't sure due to the fact I don't have any real hands-on re: torsion bars/tubes. Glad to have been a help! SS

Yeah, Gordon, I guess that would be the way with an extra center puck. It would be pretty cool if you could buy a beam that way. It wouldn't help us Spyder guys with our welded-in beams, but it could sure help you Speedstah guys. Hey, a 911 has separate adjusters all around, makes it almost easy to corner balance it.

Rich's photo is exactly the adjuster I was thinking of. A couple of well placed cuts, some welding, and done.

I was wandering around in the flea market area of the Hebert Candy Mansion Volksvair show and one of the vendors had some Bug Pack adjusters, which are Sway Away in disguise, so I bought two of them (wicked cheap). I only want to start with one to see how that works and if it's OK, then fine. If not, I have the other one and can mess with it later. god only knows what Chris want this thing to handle like......

Spyder beams are welded in? What's up wit Dat?

gn

So are (Beck) Speedster beams. Makes caster adjustment kinda tricky. I do mine by raising/lowering the rear of the car :-)

If you want/need more caster, you can do it a very simple way. Buy the camber eccentrics(aftermarket) designed for a lowered Bug. The design ends up giving more caster when you give a NORMAL amount of camber in a non-lowered or not very lowered beam.

We just put them in Lenny's Spyder and I have them in mine too. Adds high speed stability and makes the wheel return to center after a turn.

Yes, Gordon, all Spyders regardless of manufacture have welded in beams. The bodies are permanently bonded in place also, all around the frame.

who makes the camber ect, or more than stock adjusters.bill

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C12%2D6612%2D10

Attention Gordon:

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D4032

Yup. That's what I've got, but from Bug Pack.

i don't have the link but i found a wicked cool computer generated drawing of the entire front beam, transparent with different colors! I think it was on samba-check the threads!

ya- that's in the bus forum (t2 beam). very cool.