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We must not be "in the know" since I've never heard of a replica builder named Stuttgart Ruetter Coachworks. Although the name sounds familiar but I only know them as Stuttgart Karosseriewerk Reutter, the builder of the 356 body.
That's a CMC if I ever saw one...
I messaged him for proof of it being built by SKR replica builders and all he sent me were pictures of the badges on the car. What a dork. I politely declined and told him he was full of cacada.
Not a kit at all, but a full VW pan ...
Never have I seen the radio antenna mounted on the passenger's rear fender or a bunch of top snaps on the top of the windshield frame. Nasty gap around door in the photo showing the Reutter badge. Yup, CMC/FF.
This guy appears to be a dealer. His reviews are abominable.
@Robert M posted:We must not be "in the know" since I've never heard of a replica builder named Stuttgart Ruetter Coachworks. Although the name sounds familiar but I only know them as Stuttgart Karosseriewerk Reutter, the builder of the 356 body.
I think he just mashed a bunch of names together, slapped on some corresponding plates and thought that was good enough. Even the rivets don't look right.
Notice no pics of suspension or underside.
Clearly an attempt to deceive with the Porsche Stuttgart plate...it ain't a Porsche!
Good call, Robert!
At least 34 snaps. Wonder what holds the rest of it together.
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But it does have a powerful bored and stroked 1600 cc engine.
Good thing it has those (front) disk brakes.
Have to admit, I've never heard of them either. Whether it's a CMC/FF (or whatever) is not my area of expertise- some of you are way better at that. As well as the door gaps looking a wee bit rough, where the frunk below the handle meets the bodywork could use some attention and it's the same issue in the back- the middle of the bottom edge of the engine lid's transition to the rest of the car looks a little suspect as well. The engine compartment doesn't look sealed up, and someone's grafted a doghouse to an older angled buggy fan shroud.
Some pics of the suspension/underside would be nice. I don't see anything about the engine, transaxle, type of suspension, brakes, tires, whether the Fuchs are genuine forged or cast copies, lights or anti-sway bars in the description, but I don't do Facebook. It does look good great in red with alloys though.
And yeah, the yellow/black faced gauges look a little out of place (along with the chrome emergency brake handle) and the retractable antenna in the rear fender is a little hokey...
Any other Speedsters for sale out there we can tear apart? I think I'm on a roll...
That thing is in Orange, MA, or about an hour from me. I have never seen it before, even at car events near Orange.
Ain’t no way in Hell I’m gonna waste my time going over there to look at it.
Half the price of a Vintage, guys.
@edsnova posted:Half the price of a Vintage, guys.
I was thinking the same thing. Probably needs to be a quarter, though.
The title includes the words “replica vehicle”.
Interesting link on the history of Reutter. The first car produced was rejected by Dr Porsche! (6) Facebook
... “The car has to go back to the workshop. The body is not right. It’s not symmetrical!”
And indeed, Ferdinand Porsche was right. The structure was off from the central axis by twenty millimeters to the right. Nor was this the only time that Ferdinand Porsche oversaw the work at Reutter and reprimanded the staff. A young Reutter employee could not take this kind of criticism and quit shortly after being hired. However, the “old hands” in the body shop knew how to deal with it and did what was necessary to deliver a first-class product to Porsche.
This clearly explains why the driver's rear-side wheel clearance is so tight on CMCs!
The Vin number would indicate that the special Reutter body is mounted on a 1973 VW pan which of course was never shortened as it is a special body made by Reutter.
He's in for trades...I wonder if he'll take a bridge.
@WOLFGANG wrote "This clearly explains why the driver's rear-side wheel clearance is so tight on CMCs!"
And it's not only the CMC's- I heard that the Speedster Frank Reisner and his partner took the original mold from had been damaged (and then repaired) on 1 side and no one had noticed the side to side width difference. Certainly explains why my original run IM (#475 of 608? 609?) has this discrepancy. Since pretty well all Speedsters come from this original mold (I know there are other molds out there, but it's my understanding that no one else has ever taken a mold from an original car and they're all splashes of an already fiberglass copy) what I'm surprised at is no one has ever corrected it.
Or, all Speedsters are like that from the factory?
Guy is a bullshitter extraordinaire. Nothing else to add to the illustrious posts before.
@ALB posted:Have to admit, I've never heard of them either. Whether it's a CMC/FF (or whatever) is not my area of expertise- some of you are way better at that. As well as the door gaps looking a wee bit rough, where the frunk below the handle meets the bodywork could use some attention and it's the same issue in the back- the middle of the bottom edge of the engine lid's transition to the rest of the car looks a little suspect as well. The engine compartment doesn't look sealed up, and someone's grafted a doghouse to an older angled buggy fan shroud.
Some pics of the suspension/underside would be nice. I don't see anything about the engine, transaxle, type of suspension, brakes, tires, whether the Fuchs are genuine forged or cast copies, lights or anti-sway bars in the description, but I don't do Facebook. It does look good great in red with alloys though.
And yeah, the yellow/black faced gauges look a little out of place (along with the chrome emergency brake handle) and the retractable antenna in the rear fender is a little hokey...
Any other Speedsters for sale out there we can tear apart? I think I'm on a roll...
That fan shroud gives me the willies; talk about a surefire way to cook your engine.
@ALB posted:@WOLFGANG wrote "This clearly explains why the driver's rear-side wheel clearance is so tight on CMCs!"
And it's not only the CMC's- I heard that the Speedster Frank Reisner and his partner took the original mold from had been damaged (and then repaired) on 1 side and no one had noticed the side to side width difference
And the same story with the first 550 fiberglass replicas before Beck ,
They splashed a 550 and one headlight did not line up with the other.
@ALB posted:I agree- someone once tested a bunch of fan shrouds and that 1 didn't exactly have close temperature figures across the cylinders at any rpm.
That was Jake, around the turn of the millennium.
He was baselining every cooling system he could buy or lay his hands on (and the list was exhaustive) in development of the DTM. The entire process took months and cost him a fortune.
He refused to release any of the data. During the initial run of the DTMs he claimed he'd offer comparative data on one (and one only) other system if you bought a DTM. I did, and I could never wrangle the data out of him. I really wanted, and still want to know how a 36 hp doghouse shroud (EMPI, Scat, I don't care) did in comparison. Alas, I got nothing.
Jake moved on to other things - became the IMS king, and built his big house on his family plot in Georgia. The data is all 20 years old now, but nobody has made any advances in the cooling system since then. Jake sold the rights to build and sell the DTMs (all of them - V1 and V2 Type 4 and Type 1) to LN Engineering probably 6 or 7 years ago.
I wish somebody (either Jake or Charles) would release the cooling test information, just so we could all have something to talk about. They won't.
I've had no less than 3 DTMs on various engines over the years, and they work well enough. I'm not sure they're a ton better than a 36 hp shroud, but they're no worse either. To be clear, that's just spitballing - I have no data. If I ever build another engine, I'd like to do what Mike Pickett did and just eliminate the oil cooler on the stand (as Jake did with the V2 Type 4 DTM) and rely on a remote cooler... but I won't, because I have a spare DTM in a box somewhere, and I'll just use that.
Weird how we never get to see how various fan shrouds really test out. FJ Camper made an air vane insert for the notorious CB Centermount shroud and took it racing. He's been racing it for a half decade or so (so it must work OK) but never gave any hard data after having been thwarted by manufacturing difficulties.
@Stan Galat wrote- ...
Yeah, my apologies, I remembered perfectly well who it was, but didn't want to say the name lest he show up here and regale us with tales of why he's so great, why us lowly peons are not worth his time any more, the fact that his data is so precious that even though he's had nothing to do with this market for 20? years he refuses to share so much as a crumb, and yada yada yada. I asked him about building some dual plug heads and his means of sparking them back about then and wasn't interested unless he built the engine, and had to be his parts- my Swedish forged Berg crank, Carrillo rods, new case and Cima p/c kit weren't good enough.
@edsnova- I remember all that and tried to follow his r&d for a while, but lost track and never knew the outcome PS- do you remember why he insisted on working with that centermount and not a stock or 36hp doghouse shroud
Andrig seems to be advancing though:
@edsnova posted:Weird how we never get to see how various fan shrouds really test out. FJ Camper made an air vane insert for the notorious CB Centermount shroud and took it racing. He's been racing it for a half decade or so (so it must work OK) but never gave any hard data after having been thwarted by manufacturing difficulties.
Ed, interesting you should bring that up, but I emailed Lester Chatley the other day to see if he had carried on with the project. He did build one prototype, and it seemed to work well, but I have not heard back from him.
That makes sense, Al.
There was a time when I really cared about it, but that time is past. My current position is that almost nobody runs anything under the topside cylinder tins, so most people don't really want a better cooling setup. There was a time when the Porsche-look shroud was what everybody wanted, but that has toggled over to the 36 hp shrouds now that people want to more accurately replicate the look of a 356 engine.
Me? I just want the engine to run as cool as possible. Everything runs so well on a 50 deg morning - it makes me want to run EFI with a single plenum and do ethanol injection to bring the charge temperature down.
@ALB posted:@edsnova- I remember all that and tried to follow his r&d for a while, but lost track and never knew the outcome PS- do you remember why he insisted on working with that centermount and not a stock or 36hp doghouse shroud
I think they had a technical race reason but I can't remember it. They liked the look, figured Porsche had a good reason for making the 547 shroud the way it did, and Frank's buddy was a NASA fluid dynamics guy and he made the vanes for the CB center-mount. FJ has a couple race cars and he also made a plastic 36HP shroud.
When you do the EFI you'll find it runs better ALL the time. I don't know about Microsquirt, but with Speeduino you can trigger methanol injection easily.
@LI-Rick posted:Ed, interesting you should bring that up, but I emailed Lester Chatley the other day to see if he had carried on with the project. He did build one prototype, and it seemed to work well, but I have not heard back from him.
Lester Chatley is "Lo Cash," right?
@Stan Galat I remember reading the TheSamba mega thread and seeing some data on there. I think I remember Jake pulling it because he was tired of arguing about it. Or maybe it was just a chart. It was that thread that led me to the Concept1 shroud that was second only to the DTM shroud.
@Impala good news about Andrig. I got an email from him last week that as soon as he gets his shroud/fan going out the door he’s going to finish up the dog house version that will work with my Concept1 shroud.
@dlearl476 posted:@Stan Galat I remember reading the TheSamba mega thread and seeing some data on there. I think I remember Jake pulling it because he was tired of arguing about it. Or maybe it was just a chart. It was that thread that led me to the Concept1 shroud that was second only to the DTM shroud.
@Impala good news about Andrig. I got an email from him last week that as soon as he gets his shroud/fan going out the door he’s going to finish up the dog house version that will work with my Concept1 shroud.
This is the latest from Andrig; this looks cool; now to find out how it really works:
I don't see how he makes that fan and mount and doesn't follow with a centermount shroud.
@edsnova posted:I don't see how he makes that fan and mount and doesn't follow with a centermount shroud.
I think Andrig has nice vision but is under financed. He was also working on a wishbone front suspension, but that project has stalled, because of finances. I’d like to see him be successful, as the VW hobby can use some new blood.
https://www.andrigsaircooledte...system-now-available
Well I would be interested in seeing someone take this and use head temp guages to firm up his design. But he claims 64% more air flow, and if that is the case you might be able to cruise at 2500 rpm instead of 3000 rpm that opens up a 901 tranny with a 5th that is quieter on the highway. That would be nice in a coupe where the noise is magnified.
Or you could still get better than stock cooling with a smaller pulley and slower fan speed. Lots of potential.
If it's as advertised.