New Aluminum case

Any questions.....

It never even got installed into a car!

www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=64472

Got one in my car...still going 10K later with a 2110 installed...however the AS41 didn't last so long. Just my experiance.

J-P

they don't makeum like they usta!

wow, the AS 41 did not last 10K miles?? Something was wrong with the engine- not the case.

I'm sure if you analyze the failure it was probably due to a part anomaly or assembly problem. All AS41 cases I checked were pretty much within spec. An early aluminum case my friend and I were working on to build a 1914-cc engine had a lot of machining problems, particularly with the oil pump bore and the dizzy shaft bore. We had to clean up a few areas and deburr several machined areas. It was extra work but his engine has been running well for about 1 1/2 years. The weight difference is notibly more. I like the magnesium cases because they have worked fairly well for me. When all of the "bugs" have been addressed, maybe then I will consider an aluminum case. I've heard throught the grapevine that the latest cases are o.k. but I haven't inspected one.

Even Porsche had trouble with the mag cases on there 911's. Mag case are not very tough.

J-P

uh,
I have not seen a crack like this in 10 years of strictly using mag cases for my engines.

If VW would have wanted a sand cast aluminum case they would have used one years ago and save dbig bucks in the process! Magnesium is VERY volatile to cast, so much so that in 1981 a engine factory exploded in Mexico when someone opened a door to a vacuum vault and let oxygen hit the parts/process....

The cases used by Porsche and VW(TIV) later are DIE CAST ALUMINUM!!! NOT SAND CAST! extremely big difference!

Don't know if you all are aware of this but....

McMaster-Carr sells kits from Magnaflux that are crack detector kits that you can do your self.

We use it in our mold shop here at work to check for cracks or to find the end of a crack in order to drill a stop hole.

Otherwise we have to set the component out to an actual shop that specializes in the full blown Magnaflux process.

Later,

Jerome

The reason Porsche/VW cases are magnesium is the pourability and the resources available, lots of magnesium in Europe. Yes die cast parts are better than sandcast but it doesn't matter if the material is NG. Magesium will crack over time, AL will too but it's alot stronger. People complain about how head studs pull out of the mag case(both Porsche+VW) , haven't heard that one yet from an AL case. As far as sand casting, Ford, GM, Chrylser are STILL using these techniques because it works. Perhaps you should look some of the more recent cases out there. Don't give up yet. Mine is still holding up fine.

J-P

Lets hope that yours stays alive. Lets hope that when an issue does arise that you bring it to the attention of the forum.

I feel quite secure in saying that the case will give you an issue, at some point in time.

I won't be using these cases at all, and lets just hope that the supply for the AS 41 cases doesn't dry up before people really get to see that the aluminum case- is what it is!

Jake can you tell me why a T4 aluminum case is good and a T1 aluminum is not. I'm not trying to be a wise-ass...I'm really interested in knowing what the differences are. Also, what are your thoughts on using a wasserboxer case, redrilled for T1 cylinders?
Ron

The TIV case is die cast from the same alloy as a 911 engine. It is not porous, like the sand cast cases. The TIV also uses a "Through bolts" to hold the case together- not studs.

The TIV case inside is beautiful. The casting looks amazing, very smooth.

The wasser case is also beautiful. It is a superior candidate for a stron engine foundation. I have done the "Type5" conversion before, and its alot of work- all machine work. You end up with an awesome factory die cast aluminum case thats just as strong as a TIV.

These new cases are just meant to be sold to guys that have not done their homework and think that all aluminum is the same... Its not.

Ahh yes the old Jake personality comes forth again....

"These new cases are just meant to be sold to guys that have not done their homework and think that all aluminum is the same...

I'm not going to bother with Jake and his one way points of view, it's a waist of time. Glad I didn't go the Jake route for a powerplant, perhaps his engines aren't sand cast but is personality is. Try being NICE to people Jake, it may help your business more.


J-P

Hmmn,
I'm a pretty porous guy... One thing that most guys appreciate is that I tell it the way I feel. There is no candy coating and no guesswork.

Telling me your feelings on something that you have never laid your hands on, yet alone had the ability to work with since the age of 8, is yes- pretty useless.

I built my first engine for a customer at age 13, I have dealt with many, many people and can count on one hand how many people I have had an issue with that was not a delightful one.

Point blank:
I have built ONE engine with the new case. I have tested ONE engine with the new case. So far the score with the new case is one try- one loss. Its almost liek a football coach that starts the first game of the year with a new qtr back.. The team gets their asses stomped and the qtr back gets sacked 25 times... Chances are that qtr back won't get another try for many, many more games- if ever. Thats the way the new case is with me.

I have thought snce day one that they had issues with design, engineering, material and machining. So far I have been spot on with each assumption. When an engine gets a crack through the case after never even making it into the car- its a pretty good indicator that there are issues that need to be resolved.

I won't argue at all, at the same time I won't use a white flag. I hope your engine lasts for many miles.

BTW, it takes two to tango, customers of mine have to meet a standard before we do any transaction.. Many guys here have done flawless business with me, and we have had no issues. They appreciate my way of doing things as being no nonsense and leaving no room for falter. If I come off dry, so be it.... I won't whisper sweet nothings into your ear and reach for your wallet- if you don't appreciate that in todays world, well.....................

This is directly off the first page of my website

" require one thing from ANY prospectful customer: The customer must trust my integrity, honesty, knowledge, reputation and experience 100% with no reservation, else I will not do the job...after we get started, this is just like an airline flight...sit back, relax and let the time pass you by, its all in my hands, thats what you are paying me for.......with that said, start your homework! "

Ditto to Jean-Paul's remarks. Besides, in my personal opionion (not speaking for the group) I think you do a lot of direct and indirect salesmanship (well, a sales technique) on this site without giving Speedsters.Com a simple donation. That and the attitude Jean-Paul just described makes your threads just a long read in self-promotion and general bashing of T-1s & George. George may frustrate us at times, but he pays his dues and has helped many of us on this forum.

Pay Up, You are a dealer... selling. No doubt you sell a good, if not great product... pay for the advertising, it is a part of the cost of Biz.

Ok, Rabidites, come flaming me.

Jim Ward

Maybe he needs to lean out the mixture a bit, he seems to be running a little rich.

And giving a $36 donation like the rest of us!

I do not have a Raby in my car. For me it is just too much money to shell out. In addition, it has been to cold outside for the girls to pull in the real dollars. lol :>)
I also read a lot of the post that Jake puts out on the net. Therefore, who cares if he is a Hard Ass! His Name goes on everything he does. And he still takes phone calls, E-mails and visitors. Moreover, he works long hours so he can share his views and test results with all of us. I would like to see everyone be a paid member and Jake is no exception. He may make money selling his T-IVs but he has saved me money with his test. This goes for all you lurkers out there, whom everyday read and never post. The ones who take everyday but never give back. You are welcome for the great information. Now say thank you with a donation.
Thanks for your time.
Mr DS

Empathy is a highly underrated, personal skill.
Ron

Gotta love his ego...

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle- Mr. Kettle, Mr. Pot.

Jim,

You and I were going to "Deal" over two years ago... You wanted me to rush your job and I did so. When you became sick all of a sudden I understood, even if that meant that I had already ordered next day air all the parts needed for your job.

When you got back out of the hospital I never even received a note from you at all, yet I ha dover 1500.00 of parts with your name on them sitting here.

I still to this day have NEVER heard a peep out of you, not even an apology- or a note.

I sat on those parts until last year when I finally got an order for an engine similar to what you and I discussed.

I made the ultimate mistake- I trusted your word that you wanted that engine and acted on a Sunday to meet the deadline that you needed before your surgery. I did this BASED UPON YOUR WORD. I did this without a promised deposit that I never received.

Now you come on here and bitch about me! You complain about me not "Paying my dues".... Why don't YOU PAY THEM FOR ME! I think thats the least you can do for not having the common courtesy to live up to your word, especially after someone tries to help you, and then waits for a year for you to recover. Thats just not the way a man does business. You started sling mud on me- now I'm telling the facts about all I KNOW about you.

I think that I give as much here as I receive already. If Theron wants me to leave because I have not "Made a contribution" then I'll do so.

I'll take a "honest days pay for an honest days work" anyday.
of course jake thinks highly of himself, so do the rest of us(please see "what do you do"). Quite a few of us referred to ourselves in a
very positive light, to read between the lines (if i may)i would
say most of us liked ourselves and were proud of our accomplishments.
i don't know jake, but from his posts, politics, experiences i'd say
"i'd like him". Can't afford him (or any other builder, i do my own), but i like him. Some of the most impressive professionals i've met
(few and far between)have usually been the least polished.
jake, i'll take your knowledge (word) over most of the others in
the biz. chrome and glitz come secondary in my book. i consider you
a "builder" not just an "assembler" (as are some of the others).
to all----i think what some of us forget is jake is testing at
extreme levels of hp, that your engines will never see, if they do
it will be momentarily. the troubles that show up at those levels are
indicitive of other troubles, you might never see these but they are
there none the less.

stan=very funny

ouch! slung mud hurts

I started this post to SHARE my experiences with a new product that has been the basis for many questions.

Is that wrong?? Is something the matter with sharing a real life experience with something? Life is not a "rose Garden" and neither is working with parts that are PURE JUNK! I hate junk worse than any soul you will ever meet. Junk causes me more work than anything else that we deal with!

Thats why I have gotten so consumed with TIV engines. They don't need aftermarket, JUNK to make them work well!

The only thing that I have ever seen that did better than a stock part from the aftermarket was ONE certain 36 HP shroud that I tested a couple of weeks ago- That blew my mind....

I may have a very abrasive way of explaining myself- Perhaps thats because the experience that it has taken to learn these things has been "Abrasive" to my personality. Its almost like going to A Doctor... Do you want some guy that will give you any treatment that you ask for- NO. You want someone that will treat you based upon his knowledge and experience. I have never been to a Dr. that was a super nice guy that did me a damn bit of good.... Just my epxperience..

At the same time I don't wish to come off like a jackass! If you wish to do some research go here. www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/ This is a challenge that I face everyday. This page is focused more on children with my disorder than adults, but it will give you the tools to understand why I'm so intense about what I do.. It gives me thwe ability to do some things that almost appear to be "Super Human, but at the same time keeps me from fully understanding my listener, or may make my reaction to some things more "Venomous" than the situation requires..

This "disorder" has not been a disorder for me in many way. I alot of ways it has equipped me with ideas and abilities and drive that go above and beyond-

I aint done, Part 2.


5. Theron has asked you to pay a fee. I know.

6. You may build a fine engine. I thought at one time I would like one. But that was then... I've sucked up to you in order to apologize on and off this forum. The taste is foul Jake. I did it for many reasons... and still you attack my integrity. I've watched you slap around posters, jerk on George, spew the "I'm The Greatest" line for too long. I've also watched you BLATANTLY sell on this forum without giving Theron the courstesy of a reach around. You think the advice you bequeath us is a trade off don't you? Well, I read your stuff too.. and I have to sort through the chaff, sales, self-promotion and attacks to find something worthwhile. It aint worth it.

7. Pay Up Jake.

8.I do empathize with your disorder.

Paid over $150 to this forum, I aint cheap, and I pay on time.
Jim Ward

Got anything else to say????

This thread started with a fact. That fact was that a new product suffered a failure before it even got installed into a vehicle- Thats all.

I do not appreciate your downplay of my Military experience Mr. Ward, that is 100% disrespect.

Do I feel that I'm the best at what I do- YES! Do I feel that I can build a better engine than anyone on the face of this planet- YES.. Its called confidence and its something I take alot of pride in.

Do I throw it around a little too much- YES... (most of the time without even knowing it)

I did not throw my "Disorder" into the conversation as a crutch. I'm trying to share with alot of people that this disorder does exist and many more people are victim to it than even know it. I just learned about it two years ago- by mistake.

I have received 4-5 engine jobs from this forum since 2000 when it was a mail list. I'm not making a million bucks doing what I'm doing and just cannot justify paying advertising when so many of the members here have no desire for what I do because their car came with a good engine when they bought it. These days almost everything we are doing is going overseas.

I'm not here to chest pound. I like to help people and always have (its actually a trait of my disorder) I like to walk someone through a jetting or timing issue and see their car run much better than it used to.

Its all up to Theron, if he wants me to leave I will do so without a peep.

You miss the point Jake. No one wants you to leave. Even with my stated opinions and defense post, I usually read your posts with interest. I just believe that paying Theron is a good act of honor and such on your part.

Theron is not going to ask you to leave. I started this, based on MY view. If you feel ok freeloading, then go for it Jake.

And it ended with several facts in personal defense of my integrity Mr. Raby.

Your service is respected as it should be.

I just know about a thousand crewchiefs and gunners and Warrant Officers who did it with the same precision that you cite. Many of them are on a Wall, in fact if you look someday, you'll find that over 4,700 helicopter pilots gunners, Torques, and obsevers are listed on a Wall.

Service is respected. No "downplay" intended. My son flew Snakes for the USMC, including the current oil war. I respect your abilities, I respect your service, and I respect Marine aviation.

Jim Ward
Thanks for the Mister... haven't been called that since I was a Warrant.

Jim,
I suppose I do "Miss the point". If my posts are full of "Chaff" and self promotion how could they possibly benefit the speedsterowners.com mambers?

I think the best thing that I can do is to simply step away from here for a while. I have alot going on. Alot of stressful obligations that must be handled with precision.

Come on back you lug, you Jarhead, you can't quit THAT easy. Look around, 80 percent of "our posts" are full of chaff, and a degree of self promotion in the modifications we make and the cars we build or buy. Yours are no different except what you promote is something you have an obvious pride in... your product. That's called sales.

FWIW, I feel just as strongly about Corey Hines selling Becksters on this forum, or through one of his sales representatives... (see for sale posts this week) for an example. Theron has built an excellent site and the best venue Corey will see to sell his product. His sales reps need to pay up too. I have a bone to pick with that... and I will. And when I'm at Knotts I will pick on John and Kirk too, same goes for Henry. I will say that you are unique from them in that your sales go to all sorts of forums and types of cars, not just speedsters. But, what Theron is asking isn't enough to break the bank and sure would be a sign to many on here that might buy from you.

It's a fact Jake, you sell... That isn't a capital crime. And most of us, probably all of us, appreciate your presence and knowledge on this forum. I'm just trying to get you to chump up coffee change for Theron so the WE can continue to enjoy this site, and YOU can make those 3-4 sales a year off this net. None of that happens if this site isn't supported by ALL of us.

Stick Around Jake, don't let an old fart like me run you off. And your posts are probably the best read stuff on here, chaff and all.

Sincerely, Jim Ward
(Bob Carley... you are right, LOL! Infighting.)

No one is running me off.. I know thatw as not your intent, Jim.

Times like this just help me to put things back into perspective. I have my own forum over at teh STF now and I think I should concentrate on making my posts there.

No hard feelings, just time for a change.

I hope Jake continues to check in and offer his insights, but for engine knowledge I check to see what is going on at Shoptalkforums, not here.

This site is like a great neighborhood bar. Everyone knows each other and you hate to see conflict here because it changes the "atmosphere." I enjoy flame wars... but not here so much.

Sometimes I feel like Jake's damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead web persona is misunderstood. On the phone and in person he would give you the shirt off his back, he really would. He is a great guy and is doing incredible work advancing the capability of the tired, old aircooled engine. That said, who hasn't been to a party where a good friend is working the crowd constantly passing out business cards -- you want to tell him, relax, people here are kicking back and socializing and just want to have a good time. If they like you they will call.

In defense of Jake, bro, I don't think you have crossed the line with promoting your business, especially as helpful as you are with donating huge amounts of your time by offering free advice at STF. I say this out of respect, but the age you built your first Vw engine, how much fuel burned during testing, etc., hours worked in a week are not why I think you are one of the top builders in the country, or heck, maybe even beyond. Your work and dedication speaks for itself. I will add my two cents along with Jim's, it wouldn't hurt to ante up a few bucks to the site if it generates a few jobs per year for you. (Which reminds me, I haven't donated yet this year either! OY!)

Ok, Jake, gloves off. Truth? Part 1

1. Disorders? I do empathize Jake, I have one. Seems like you would learn to show empathy for others. I have Alpha-1 Anti-Trypsin Deficiency, I also got Hepatitis C from a life saving blood transfusion in Nam in 71 after being shot down and taking rounds through my shoulder and thigh (HCV Viral Load now gone). I take 23 Meds in the morning, and 24 in the evening for a double lung transplant.... pull out the Violins? Nope... Happy to be alive.

1. At least 18 months ago I posted an apology..... FWIW, in this forum. And I sent a personal one. They were toned in a gracious manner. Not that I owed you one. I had just gone through three life threatening and (very) expensive surgeries. I had my lungs removed, and transplanted... then 4 months later the meds I had taken for some time caused a rupture in my colon and intestine. This happened after 5 years of having waited for a diagonosis, listing, and transplant. They saved my immune suppresed life by an emergecy gut cut, and a temporary colostomy. I returned three months later for 8" sections removed and then reattached. I was in the hopsital 6 times over that year... each of them in a high potential for mortality.. a no shit deal. You ballbagged me the entire time.

2. I started working a deal with you the week I was paged for transplant. I was only on the list for 5 months and was expecting at least a year to 18 month wait. I called exactley 4 days before I was paged, and we discussed a 2007cc... I offered up $5000 in cash "up front" that moment via wire or CC. You prefered doing a 50/50 deal. I decided to wait the weekend out. 9am 4 days later I was paged for a bi-lateral, double lung transplant... and I tell you now just as I did then, any friggin' thoughts about deals, food, sports, what's on TV or whatever, went straight off my radar. I went though that and the ICU, and weeks in a hospital, came out and went into rejection and was treated in STL, where I wrote you two e-mails, and wrote this forum. 2 months later I was in ER again, with the bad gut, near death. My wife had to quit her long time career in Histology just to deal with the craziness of it all. We have good insurance, but I can assure you I have spent out of pocket on med bills more than you make in take home in 2-5 years, depending on what you tell the IRS. I was broke.

3. Again, I apologized personally and on this forum. Those on this forum who know me, know that I admit to my failings... and I admit when I am wrong. Jake I apologized to you for not completing a deal (you didn't even have time to start an engine for me and had no cash from me, & KNEW I was beng transplanted) We took a massive hit to our nest eggs, we had 3 girls in college, my wife quit work to care for me and I was fighting to stay alive, and "you" started giving me a hard time? I sucked it up Jake... why? Because I pick and choose my fights carefully, neither side had lost finacially, I was busy trying to fight for life, and well, it was easier to apologize to you than it was to fight. Energy was a very precious commodity.

4. You jerk off in self gratification on this forum about the prescision and what you learned as a helicopter mechanic for the Prez squadron. BFD Jake, Try doing it while getting your ass shot at flying in one or two tours in a 'real war'. I'll show you presicion. I also worked ATC for 25 years Jake, I know about precision and no margin for errors. so does the surgeon that transplanted me, so do many others on this forum. The only thing is Jake, you are the only one who's ego needs to tell the world about it. (Cont.)

"At the same time I don't wish to come off like a jackass!" Jake Raby

Too Late!

J-P

Thanks buddy-

Note that there are several aftermarket aluminum engine cases available; I assume Jake's case was one of the Auto Linea cases from Brazil.

I bought a mazde-in-America Precision Alloy TF-1 (TF=Todd Francis) aluminum case that required some machining and clearancing but it is VERY strong and uses through bolts like a type 4 or 911 case. It uses all original VW tin (with some minor fitting) and will take up to an 86mm stroker crank with little or no clearancing required; also has a .100" cam centerline drop for crank/cam clearance and a very neat oil pump pick-up arrangement. Cost around $1,395 plus extra machining.

George: Is that what you're running in your about-to-be-delivered IM? What's the rest of the build-up like (cam, crank, carbs, etc).

thanks, gordon