@Lane Anderson - your car would be a steal at $35K- $38K.
It's june. That's a January "Christmas charge-card bill just came" price.
@Lane Anderson posted:What colors are you looking for? My old red car would be a decent deal for $35-38k if you can live with the color.
Your Beck?
@Speedster23 posted:Your Beck?
Yes, his red Beck. That would be a steal at $35-$38.
@Robert M posted:
Yes, his red Beck. That would be a steal at $35-$38.
The one I post some days ago correct red beige !
i m in the middle of negotiation between the red and
the cream vintage speedster from 2010 ( the one in this photo)
1915cc ai duel Weber Carbs ,Bosch 009 distributor, Pertronix Ignition, with extra quart oil sump, 4 wheel Disc brakes, sway bar and a Freeway Flyer.
where I m able to find the carrera lid ?
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Does anyone have any info on this Car?
Terrible paint match on the louvered engine lid! My guess CMC/FF. All those photos and not one of underneath or suspension components. Call for price?
As Wolfgang said; CMC or FF. Keep in mind most were built in home garages, some were done very nicely and a lot of them... are done in a less then craftsman - like matter and many I have handled, were found to be unsafe. Being older, it's a speedster that needs to be carefully inspected in person. Lastly keep in mind they are there to make a large profit at, your expense.
All that said, it appears that whomever put that car together took their time and tried pretty hard to do it right, at least from the photos of the interior, and the exterior, while not perfect, has flaws that are easily fixed. There are a number of touches that weren't part of the usual CMC/FF parts bins so someone tried hard to make it "better than average", for sure.
The bad news: There is no A/C, so driving it in Miami from June to October will be HOT, especially with black seats (but you can always go for a drive after dark). There are a handful of things needing attention, so I would also bring a competent mechanic with you when you go take a look and ask to get the car up on a lift to inspect the so-called "Up-graded Suspension". None of us know what that means so that's why you need a VW mechanic along. It could be as simple as adding an anti-sway bar, or installing performance shock absorbers, but these suspensions are pretty simple to start with.
The good news: It's only 3-1/2 hours away, over in Venice, so you could find a mechanic or someone you trust and make a day trip out of it and then you would know exactly what you're getting in to. Maybe someone on here in Florida could meet you there? If you and the mechanic don't like what you see then walk away. If it looks OK, then start haggling about things like the mis-matched paint on the engine cover or any blemishes you find and make a deal.
There is a New/Used Speedster checklist on here that should help you to know what to look for when you do your preview:
https://www.speedsterowners.co...acceptance-checklist
Hope this helps.
@Gordon Nichols posted:
All that said, it appears that whomever put that car together took their time and tried pretty hard to do it right, at least from the photos of the interior, and the exterior, while not perfect, has flaws that are easily fixed. There are a number of touches that weren't part of the usual CMC/FF parts bins so someone tried hard to make it "better than average", for sure.
The bad news: There is no A/C, so driving it in Miami from June to October will be HOT, especially with black seats (but you can always go for a drive after dark). There are a handful of things needing attention, so I would also bring a competent mechanic with you when you go take a look and ask to get the car up on a lift to inspect the so-called "Up-graded Suspension". None of us know what that means so that's why you need a VW mechanic along. It could be as simple as adding an anti-sway bar, or installing performance shock absorbers, but these suspensions are pretty simple to start with.
The good news: It's only 3-1/2 hours away, over in Venice, so you could find a mechanic or someone you trust and make a day trip out of it and then you would know exactly what you're getting in to. Maybe someone on here in Florida could meet you there? If you and the mechanic don't like what you see then walk away. If it looks OK, then start haggling about things like the mis-matched paint on the engine cover or any blemishes you find and make a deal.
There is a New/Used Speedster checklist on here that should help you to know what to look for when you do your preview:
https://www.speedsterowners.co...acceptance-checklist
Hope this helps.
Yes condition is not the top …. For sure that try to make some good detail… but not look so nice …
I have some question
A/C : vintage motors or any other suppliers sell a nice ac unit … not too big ? How much is the cost ?
lid: where I have to find a carrera lowered lid ?
the only one I find with a/c is one with Subaru engine , but I m not sure if I want this engine , plus I don’t like the 3 gauge in the middle of the dash.
Other builder where install the gauge with Subaru engine. ? Or simple they don’t install that? ( see attachment)
thank you
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Air Conditioning
Most people in the Hot Rod world (and some of the Speedster builders, too) use products from "Vintage Air" and you would probably want one from their "Builder Series" because a Speedster is considered a custom car and that series allows you to select individual parts needed .
https://www.vintageair.com/builder-series/
You can then find a good Auto Air Conditioning shop in/near Miami to help spec the system parts and give you a quote on installation. I really don't know what it would cost to add A/C to a Speedster so find a competent shop and get a quote.
@Gordon Nichols posted:Air Conditioning
Most people in the Hot Rod world (and some of the Speedster builders, too) use products from "Vintage Air" and you would probably want one from their "Builder Series" because a Speedster is considered a custom car and that series allows you to select individual parts needed .
https://www.vintageair.com/builder-series/
You can then find a good Auto Air Conditioning shop in/near Miami to help spec the system parts and give you a quote on installation. I really don't know what it would cost to add A/C to a Speedster so find a competent shop and get a quote.
Thank you , I know the website… I like the one installed by vintage motor and intermeccanica but is not for sale in this website …
I have to try To contact directly the builder
Air-conditioning a speedster without roll-up windows is not unlike air-conditioning a screened porch, which is why less than 2% of speedsters have it. I know Miami is Miami, but maybe that makes a speedster a “not great choice”.
I feel like rather than focusing the OP, we’re getting more and more scattered.
I agree with Stan. AC on Speedsters is typically a waste of money unless the owner plans to drive the car frequently with the top up. Even then it isn't very efficient and we all know that these cars are almost never driven with the top up anyway, but potential new owners don't know that.
In addition to the expense of instalation, having that big compressor in the engine compartment makes it an even bigger pain in the a$$ to do basic tune-ups.
My recommendation is to forget about AC.
A/C on an air-cooled (large or small engine) car in a hot environment with a manual trans in heavy (Miami) traffic - is asking for issues. One of reasons I favored/pushed the Subaru powered one initially. I do drive my newish Miata with top down - but it's a modern car and I can't feel A/C cut in. Plus with windows rolled up it is very comfortable! If its to be a daily driver or to work driver --- look at Miatas!
That's what we did! 
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While I agree with the sentiment re: AC on an aircooled Speedster, for the record I use the AC in my Smart and 968 with the top down all the time. Having a blast of cold air directed at your face and chest is just what you need to take the edge off driving with the top down in Las Vegas when it’s 110° out.
Troy
I have been looking at the Italian version of this car. A little bit more of a continental flair if you will. The Abarth version seems like a future collectable that are pretty cheap right now and with some with very low mileage and still under warranty.
My dearest one went on an initial break-in ride with me in a car that I'd rebuilt about 20 years ago. It was a 3 hour tour through the NC countryside in the heat of summer, in a cabriolet with black leather interior, with no AC.
Even with the top (black, of course) up, it was sweltering. On the way home she looked at me and said "This car will have air conditioning, and henceforth, all cars built by you will have air conditioning."
And so it was foretold that our speedster rebuild would have AC. I'm not a refrigeration expert like Stan, so I probably made it more complicated than it needed to be. I've got certain esthetic preferences that dictated that the main vents would be blended into the dashboard, rather than underneath the dash. It worked and we regularly use the AC with the top down on hot summer afternoons.
A cool breeze on your face and legs can make the difference between a car that's drivable through the summer and one that isn't. If you select your compressor right, you won't feel much drag on the engine. Troy is correct, though, the extra plumbing makes some maintenance tasks more difficult.
The one other bonus I've noticed is that when you do get caught in the rain, you can put the top up, insert the side windows, turn on the AC and be assured that the windows won't fog up.
I'd bet AC would be even more useful in Miami than it is on Maui. In metro Miami, I'm sure you can find someone who could do an underdash installation after you find your nearly perfect car
That said, if any of them ever do become “collectible” it will be the Abarths.
@Michael Pickett posted:My dearest one went on an initial break-in ride with me in a car that I'd rebuilt about 20 years ago. It was a 3 hour tour through the NC countryside in the heat of summer, in a cabriolet with black leather interior, with no AC.
Even with the top (black, of course) up, it was sweltering. On the way home she looked at me and said "This car will have air conditioning, and henceforth, all cars built by you will have air conditioning."
And so it was foretold that our speedster rebuild would have AC. I'm not a refrigeration expert like Stan, so I probably made it more complicated than it needed to be. I've got certain esthetic preferences that dictated that the main vents would be blended into the dashboard, rather than underneath the dash. It worked and we regularly use the AC with the top down on hot summer afternoons.
A cool breeze on your face and legs can make the difference between a car that's drivable through the summer and one that isn't. If you select your compressor right, you won't feel much drag on the engine. Troy is correct, though, the extra plumbing makes some maintenance tasks more difficult.
The one other bonus I've noticed is that when you do get caught in the rain, you can put the top up, insert the side windows, turn on the AC and be assured that the windows won't fog up.
I'd bet AC would be even more useful in Miami than it is on Maui. In metro Miami, I'm sure you can find someone who could do an underdash installation after you find your nearly perfect car
I find the same thing with my AC the dash vents that are good but adding the floor vents also help to drive cold air on your legs while you have the top down at 100 degrees in the sun!
One of those Abarth boxes TOTALLY did in my 2-liter Speedster like I was running 50 Octane PEMEX gas, once. It was a 2019 Abarth Fiat 500.
I know……. Little, tiny, black crackerbox of a car and those little red scorpions on the side didn’t really register with me. We pull up even at a stoplight and I look over like, “whoa….. This is gonna be good”. This guy’s toast.”
The light changes and I put my foot in it and believe me, my Speedster is no slouch (just ask Lane) and we take off like two angry hornets in a tin can. The next light is about a mile away and mostly uphill. That little Fiat took off like it had a booster rocket attached and by the time I caught up at the next light he had me by at least ten lengths.
I was dumbfounded. So I get him to put his passenger window down and ask, “What the hell is the engine in that thing??”
”I dunno!” he replies, “I just got it a few weeks ago. All I know is that it has two turbos!” And even worse, the guy looked like an overweight, slightly balding, bespectacled accountant.
(I hereby apologize to any overweight, balding, bespectacled accounts on here)
@Gordon Nichols posted:One of those Abarth boxes TOTALLY did in my 2-liter Speedster like I was running 50 Octane PEMEX gas, once. It was a 2019 Abarth Fiat 500.
I know……. Little, tiny, black crackerbox of a car and those little red scorpions on the side didn’t really register with me. We pull up even at a stoplight and I look over like, “whoa….. This is gonna be good”. This guy’s toast.”
The light changes and I put my foot in it and believe me, my Speedster is no slouch (just ask Lane) and we take off like two angry hornets in a tin can. The next light is about a mile away and mostly uphill. That little Fiat took off like it had a booster rocket attached and by the time I caught up at the next light he had me by at least ten lengths.
I was dumbfounded. So I get him to put his passenger window down and ask, “What the hell is the engine in that thing??”
”I dunno!” he replies, “I just got it a few weeks ago. All I know is that it has two turbos!” And even worse, the guy looked like an overweight, slightly balding, bespectacled accountant.
(I hereby apologize to any overweight, balding, bespectacled accounts on here)
This is what is under the hood of my buddy's Abarth:
All I know is when he starts it up it sounds very much like his 2022 911 Turbo Porsche with the valves open. He ordered with a rear seat delete to save weight and to make room for his golf clubs.
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I have a buddy that just bought a used Abarth 500 and it’s like he’s 20 again. He’s already done the brakes and a chip/inlet mods and a couple of track days. He said him and another Abarth were terrorizing a Ferrari and a couple of 911’s in the rain during the Novice sessions. (Then someone told him if you pass to many people in the Novice sessions they bump you up) 
@RobertM. That looks like the same thing Jim did to his. Now he’s researching programmable tuning software.
Hi guys I have a question one is about the shifter.
some car have this reverse lockout, Is something i don’t like because look like to much a muscle car… Is possible remove that and install a regular One more similar to the original ? ( this photo is from a vintage speedster )
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Re: @Michael Pickett’s A/C, installed on his A/C speedster (see what I did there? Don’t try this at home, kids- I’m a high-school educated wannabe scribe):
Mike has no wind-up windows, and has a cute ‘lil 1776, but Mike’s car(s) don’t count because Mike plays 3D chess while the rest of us are playing with the box. He’s got a logic-based Speeduino EFI system to kick up the idle-speed when the A/C compressor kicks on, etc. The rest of us A/C crayon-eaters have no such bleeding-edge 90s tech, nor the ability to program it if we did
… ditto anybody with a Subaru mill, coupe, or IM/D, or any combination thereof. You’re the smart kids, probably with good hair and minty breath.
Otherwise, I’m gonna stand by the statement that an air-conditioned air-cooled speedster with side-curtains is a bit like a genuine Elvis on velvet painting, autographed by the king himself - kind of cool to have, but without much utility for the average Joe.
I had a 2110 cc with a C the air conditioning was OK but not the best on a 1775. It would certainly be more of a challenge and you’d have to have your top up.
@Stan Galat posted:Re: @Michael Pickett’s A/C, installed on his A/C speedster (see what I did there? Don’t try this at home, kids- I’m a high-school educated wannabe scribe):
Mike has no wind-up windows, and has a cute ‘lil 1776, but Mike’s car(s) don’t count because Mike plays 3D chess while the rest of us are playing with the box. He’s got a logic-based Speeduino EFI system to kick up the idle-speed when the A/C compressor kicks on, etc. The rest of us A/C crayon-eaters have no such bleeding-edge 90s tech, nor the ability to program it if we did
… ditto anybody with a Subaru mill, coupe, or IM/D, or any combination thereof. You’re the smart kids, probably with good hair and minty breath.
Otherwise, I’m gonna stand by the statement that an air-conditioned air-cooled speedster with side-curtains is a bit like a genuine Elvis on velvet painting, autographed by the king himself - kind of cool to have, but without much utility for the average Joe.
@Michael McKelvey posted:Many use a Vintage Speed shifter.
Thank you so much really helpfull link 🙏🙏
@Stan Galat posted:Re: @Michael Pickett’s A/C, installed on his A/C speedster (see what I did there? Don’t try this at home, kids- I’m a high-school educated wannabe scribe):
He’s got a logic-based Speeduino EFI system to kick up the idle-speed when the A/C compressor kicks on, etc.
Don't try to resist the force, Luke. EFI is where our 1930's engines were destined to be...
Just one minor point for those foolish enough to go down the EFI/AC Type 1 path, the ECU will take care of the idle speed with no fiddling. It's the combination of running an AlphaN (throttle position) engine map along with AC that requires the fiddling.
Most people are very happy with a manifold pressure based engine load setup instead that needs no/few AC tweaks. There are minor performance improvements in using AlphaN when you've got individual throttle bodies.
So... for the truly OCD folks, what you want to do is to have a second fueling map that swaps in when the AC is on. That allows your idle to run richer to compensate for the added air your idle air controller is leaking into your manifolds to maintain the idle speed.
See it's nothing like 3D chess at all if you're not looking for perfection. As for me, when you start talking about wet bulb and dew points my brain just goes "huh?".
Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Just to remind yáll that the mods I did for sealing the car for hear works very will if you were to add A/C. I enlarged the window screens to they would actually tuck into the top. Also add the center top screw down sealer. The car never buffeted nor let rain or cold air in. With a modern low HP compressor I would guess most engines would pull it least at highway speeds.
My 2005 Cadillac DeVille FWD limo has a Northstar V8 mounted east/west across the engine bay because, “Standard of the World”.
Real estate is valuable enough underhood that the starter is under the intake manifold and the A/C compressor is electric, mounted off to the side.
That, friends, is how I’d do it (with an electric compressor), in the event I wanted to do it (which I really don’t).
@Michael Pickett posted:Don't try to resist the force, Luke. EFI is where our 1930's engines were destined to be...
Just one minor point for those foolish enough to go down the EFI/AC Type 1 path, the ECU will take care of the idle speed with no fiddling. It's the combination of running an AlphaN (throttle position) engine map along with AC that requires the fiddling.
Most people are very happy with a manifold pressure based engine load setup instead that needs no/few AC tweaks. There are minor performance improvements in using AlphaN when you've got individual throttle bodies.
So... for the truly OCD folks, what you want to do is to have a second fueling map that swaps in when the AC is on. That allows your idle to run richer to compensate for the added air your idle air controller is leaking into your manifolds to maintain the idle speed.
See it's nothing like 3D chess at all if you're not looking for perfection. As for me, when you start talking about wet bulb and dew points my brain just goes "huh?".
Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
I am running EFI along with the Tuner Studio software. The ability to tune is incredibly easy AND ridiculously variable. We tune it on the fly while driving and if we're happy we save the map, if not we just don't save it and go back to the last one we liked. In fact, I have different maps for specific ambient temperature, elevation, etc. Something I could probably couldn't easily accomplish with my Webbers.
@Michael McKelvey posted:Many use a Vintage Speed shifter.
I, too, am using a shifter from Vintage Speed along with several people here on this site. I must say the switch in shifter was the single best change I made to my little hobby...pre EFI and turbocharger that is!
@majorkahuna posted:With a modern low HP compressor I would guess most engines would pull it least at highway speeds.
What you want is something like the Sanden Style 4647, ABPN83304062, 22411179000 SD7H15HD compressor. Even on my teensie 1776 engine, I can hardly feel the difference when the AC is on. Highway speeds are not a problem.
That being said, mounting an electric compressor somewhere in the front of the car would help on weight balance as well as uncluttering the engine compartment, as long as you've got the amps to run it. Good tip, @Stan Galat
NEW OF THE DAY BECK 2010
engine 1915 … S 90 motor ??? I don’t know what Is this !!
what do you think about this??? 😎😎
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@TheMayoMachine posted:I am running EFI along with the Tuner Studio software. The ability to tune is incredibly easy AND ridiculously variable. We tune it on the fly while driving and if we're happy we save the map, if not we just don't save it and go back to the last one we liked. In fact, I have different maps for specific ambient temperature, elevation, etc. Something I could probably couldn't easily accomplish with my Webbers.
I, too, am using a shifter from Vintage Speed along with several people here on this site. I must say the switch in shifter was the single best change I made to my little hobby...pre EFI and turbocharger that is!
The shifter brings a surprisingly authentic feel and pleasure to the drive of my car.
@Speedster23 posted:NEW OF THE DAY BECK 2010
engine 1915 … S 90 motor ??? I don’t know what Is this !!
what do you think about this??? 😎😎
I'm not an expert, but it looks like more of a pan-based CMC, FF, or IM rather than a Beck. I'm saying that because of the dashboard cushion.
The 1915 is a common size for a VW engine. It has a 69mm crankshaft and 94mm pistons. It is a conservative build that should last a while.
That's definitely a relatively early Beck, which fits the 2010 build date. Back then they offered two 1915cc engines - one rated at 90hp and one at 125hp. This is the 90hp one as indicated by the carbs. My car (the red one) had the 125hp engine. Either should do just fine, but there may be other differences.
@Michael Pickett posted:Just one minor point for those foolish enough to go down the EFI/AC Type 1 path, the ECU will take care of the idle speed with no fiddling. It's the combination of running an AlphaN (throttle position) engine map along with AC that requires the fiddling.
Most people are very happy with a manifold pressure based engine load setup instead that needs no/few AC tweaks. There are minor performance improvements in using AlphaN when you've got individual throttle bodies.
So... for the truly OCD folks, what you want to do is to have a second fueling map that swaps in when the AC is on. That allows your idle to run richer to compensate for the added air your idle air controller is leaking into your manifolds to maintain the idle speed.
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@Lane Anderson posted:That's definitely a relatively early Beck, which fits the 2010 build date. Back then they offered two 1915cc engines - one rated at 90hp and one at 125hp. This is the 90hp one as indicated by the carbs. My car (the red one) had the 125hp engine. Either should do just fine, but there may be other differences.
Correct . What you think Is the right price ?
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