Since there was great interest on a Spyder Facebook page about where to purchase exhaust systems, I'm reporting that @chines1 at Special Edition currently has some in stock. I spoke to Brad at their sales desk, and a new one is on its way. Can't wait to hear the new sound, as I'm not fond at all of what's mounted on it now! 😆
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need a youtube clip on the sound..worth a thousand words..
@barncobob -- I hope to post before and after audio clips.
@dlearl476 Well, I did ask him about this yesterday when I ordered them over the phone. To confirm, I just emailed Brad.
I'm unfamiliar with Remus cans -- I'll go google them up.
That exhaust pictured looks EXACTLY like my Vintage Spyder exhaust, down to the holy trans bracket/hanger and the V-band clamps. There are Magnaflow cans on mine, the brand name is on the bottom.
@DannyP I’ve yet to hear back from Brad, but I’m hoping my memory of our conversation— where I’m pretty sure he said they were Magnaflows— is correct.
The same manufacturer makes the Spyder exhausts for me, Vintage, CB and others.
@chines1 -- Carey >> thank you, Sir. 
@dlearl476 posted:Hmmm. I guess the bare metal threw me. Mine’s a CB performance model.
We stock them all in raw mild steel or in raw stainless. After pre-fit to a car we have them ceramic coated locally. So many variations in builds/engines that I've had to modify too many pre-coated exhausts and then strip them and re-coat them, so we decided just to do it ourselves and save a step.
Interesting. I thought they all came ceramic coated. They’re listed that way on CB. I bought mine from you guys.
I’m hunting a new exhaust system for my 1998 Vintage 550 Spyder with a 2.2L type 1 engine. It’s current Magnaflow system is ragged and pretty well shot. I checked with CB today and they don’t provide their Spyder systems anymore. I’d really like to try one with the Sebring Silencers, and found TT in the UK, but wonder if there’s anyone in the US doing these for the 550 Spyder. Any help is appreciated.
In the US? I don’t think so, but Vintage Speed sells one.
https://store.vintagespeed.com...ST-SYSTEM-p132916148
Probably pretty similar to the TT one, if not identical.
I’d love to try one, too, but they’re pretty pricey. Pretty sure Greg and Carey can both still get the CB perf styled one.
@Charlie S posted:I’m hunting a new exhaust system for my 1998 Vintage 550 Spyder with a 2.2L type 1 engine. It’s current Magnaflow system is ragged and pretty well shot. I checked with CB today and they don’t provide their Spyder systems anymore. I’d really like to try one with the Sebring Silencers, and found TT in the UK, but wonder if there’s anyone in the US doing these for the 550 Spyder. Any help is appreciated.
Pretty sure Greg is using the exhaust systems built by Tiger at A1 in Santa Ana, CA. Tiger built the system that was put in my Speedster with a 2110. And he built the exhaust in several of the Spyder's I've seen. So suffice it to say he should be able to build you whatever it is you want too.
@Robert M posted:Pretty sure Greg is using the exhaust systems built by Tiger at A1 in Santa Ana, CA. Tiger built the system that was put in my Speedster with a 2110. And he built the exhaust in several of the Spyder's I've seen. So suffice it to say he should be able to build you whatever it is you want too.
I’d like to know what’s in those square boxes. If they’re just resonators, they’d be pretty loud. I’m kind of disappointed that my CB-type is as loud as it is. TBH, I don’t think it’s any quieter than the straight pipes that were on it when I bought it. The cookie cutter helped, but I could use an exhaust that was about 3db quieter.
As much as I love my cookie cutter, that oval tailpipe is just dead sexy
I’m on my 3rd Remus,* and I really love the sound. It’s why I suggested replacing the Flowmasters with a pair of Remus cans.
ps: The guy that welded my cookie cutter for me did work like A1 for a turbo manufacture before he branched out in his own. He told me he could do whatever I wanted to my exhaust, and suggested tucking it up a little bit under the clamshell. Maybe one of these days I’ll get a pair of Remus cans and let him work his magic
*Two bikes and my Smart.
@dlearl476 posted:
I’d like to know what’s in those square boxes. If they’re just resonators, they’d be pretty loud. I’m kind of disappointed that my CB-type is as loud as it is. TBH, I don’t think it’s any quieter than the straight pipes that were on it when I bought it. The cookie cutter helped, but I could use an exhaust that was about 3db quieter.
As much as I love my cookie cutter, that oval tailpipe is just dead sexy
I’m on my 3rd Remus,* and I really love the sound. It’s why I suggested replacing the Flowmasters with a pair of Remus cans.
ps: The guy that welded my cookie cutter for me did work like A1 for a turbo manufacture before he branched out in his own. He told me he could do whatever I wanted to my exhaust, and suggested tucking it up a little bit under the clamshell. Maybe one of these days I’ll get a pair of Remus cans and let him work his magic
*Two bikes and my Smart.
There is also a company in Clovis, CA that builds a lot of the aftermarket exhaust system that are marketed under several different names for Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens, and etc. He could build whatever you want but that would mean you’d have to get your car here to be fitted.
@dlearl476 — I’m seconding your comment regarding your CB exhaust, as I had the similar one from Special Edition installed this past week on my Spyder. I went from a single muffler setup to a dual, but it sounds almost the same. I was really hoping for something a bit calmer.
And, regarding a question earlier in this topic, it did not come with Magnaflows. Would Magnaflows potentially have made the exhaust softer? I guess without knowing what’s in the unbranded cans it came with, it would be a difficult to know.
@Robert M posted:There is also a company in Clovis, CA that builds a lot of the aftermarket exhaust system that are marketed under several different names for Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens, and etc. He could build whatever you want but that would mean you’d have to get your car here to be fitted.
No need to go anywhere. The guy that welded my cookie cutter made exhausts that wouldn’t look out of place on a F1 car. I wish I could remember the name of the company he worked for. Their website has pictures of his work.
This really isn’t a good representation of what he does, but this is a Turbo LS-powered 240Z drift car he’s making.
@Wulfrik (John) posted:@dlearl476 — I’m seconding your comment regarding your CB exhaust, as I had the similar one from Special Edition installed this past week on my Spyder. I went from a single muffler setup to a dual, but it sounds almost the same. I was really hoping for something a bit calmer.
And, regarding a question earlier in this topic, it did not come with Magnaflows. Would Magnaflows potentially have made the exhaust softer? I guess without knowing what’s in the unbranded cans it came with, it would be a difficult to know.
John, I think Carey posted earlier, the CB exhausts had Magnaflows, they were just upside down so you can’t see the name. Mine are Magnaflows. I was just confused because I’d never seen one of those exhausts in bare metal.
@dlearl476 Yes, I was wondering if mine — without Magnaflows — would have been any quieter with them compared to whatever unbranded cans came on mine. In any case, I’m like you — I want something quieter! 😆 I was just convinced that two mufflers HAD to be quieter than one. I’m going to need to some research on this in the archives, as I’m now interested in what others have done with this effort on Spyders.
@Wulfrik (John) posted:@dlearl476 Yes, I was wondering if mine — without Magnaflows — would have been any quieter with them compared to whatever unbranded cans came on mine. In any case, I’m like you — I want something quieter! 😆 I was just convinced that two mufflers HAD to be quieter than one. I’m going to need to some research on this in the archives, as I’m now interested in what others have done with this effort on Spyders.
You could try a cookie cutter like mine. I don’t know that it made it much quieter, but it definitely changed the timbre to one a little less annoying.
The best way to A-B them is to toggle between 10 seconds (revving with open pipe) and 2:17 (revving with cookie cutter) Unfortunately, my db meter’s batteries died right after the open pipe test, so I couldn’t get a reading on the cookie cutter. But it definitely mellowed out the exhaust note a bit.
The Sebring type exhausts with the resonators out near the tip are the loudest exhaust out there, even louder than Chuck's old 4:1 through a cherry bomb. Some guys LOVE them, others HATE them... From memory, the one form the UK (TT exhaust) had to be modified to fit and the A1 didn't;t (or needed less modification).
I love all of the exhausts made by Tiger at A1, top notch work, it's just very difficult to get one. The sis also the reason that most of the listed suppliers don't have them in stock or stopped carrying them. A few shops seem to get just the amount they need and no extras... for some reason I was never able to develop that relationship with Tiger and still struggle to get what I need, even after 20 years.
The thing that everyone forgets is there is as much intake noise as exhaust. In a Spyder, the intakes are about a foot from your ears. Unless you address that, ALL exhausts are too loud.
I built and installed a short extension on my Vintage Motorcars exhaust. It's a simple 3" ID extension with a clamp(a slot, a bolt, and a tube welded on). Inside is a Vortex cone insert, which takes the edge off the exhaust without adding any restriction. These are used in V8 cars with open headers to drop a few decibels to meet track sound requirements. The extension also keeps a lot of the soot off the paint in the license plate area.
@dlearl476 -- Thanks for sharing this video. I think your current exhaust without the cookie cutter sounds like a lower note than mine (as you have Magnaflows.) With the cookie cutter, it does take on a more pleasing and sporty tone -- in my opinion. Would be very curious to know if the dB was lower with its addition. Do you typically keep the cookie cutter mounted?
@DannyP -- Thanks, Danny. I googled up Vortex cone insert and watched a few videos on the subject of exhaust insert silencers. I learned something new! 😉 Definitely looks like something to try, and is certainly a less expensive step compared to changing out the mufflers. If you have a photo of your 3" add-on tip, I would love to see it, Sir.
@Wulfrik (John) posted:@dlearl476 -- Do you typically keep the cookie cutter mounted?
Yes. I made it removable because its purpose was two-fold: noise diffusion and adding a bit of length to keep the soot off the tail end of my car. As it is, it’s too long to open the clamshell without bending my license plate.
@dlearl476 posted:Yes. I made it removable because its purpose was two-fold: noise diffusion and adding a bit of length to keep the soot off the tail end of my car. As it is, it’s too long to open the clamshell without bending my license plate.
Cool. I asked this question, as I figured it would tell me if the cookie cutter was more pleasing to your ear -- or not. 
@Wulfrik (John) posted:Cool. I asked this question, as I figured it would tell me if the cookie cutter was more pleasing to your ear -- or not.
Oh, yes. It’s much more pleasant from the cockpit. I never drive without it.
Here you go. Sorry it's filthy, but I drive mine more than clean it.
It's 6.5" in total length. The clamp tube is indeed cut in the middle, the squeezed seam disappears in the photo.
Three holes drilled into the extension easily welds the three tabs on the cone.
I leave mine on all the time, the extension clears both the clamshell and the license plate.
@DannyP posted:Here you go. Sorry it's filthy, but I drive mine more than clean it.
It's 6.5" in total length. The clamp tube is indeed cut in the middle, the squeezed seam disappears in the photo.
Three holes drilled into the extension easily welds the three tabs on the cone.
I leave mine on all the time, the extension clears both the clamshell and the license plate.
Thank you very much, Sir. Great to have a pictorial record to show the man who's going to do the fitment for me.
For what it's worth, I watched a few Youtube videos with guys putting dB meters next to their exhausts before & after, and there were some substantial decreases. Most certainly worth trying!
Danny's comment about intake noise shouldn't be discounted. @DannyP, post a picture of what you did to cut that down on your car.
@Lane Anderson posted:Danny's comment about intake noise shouldn't be discounted. @DannyP, post a picture of what you did to cut that down on your car.
I'm very curious about this, but I didn't want to ask too many questions in such a short period of time! 😝
@DannyP -- Just found your post from 2018 regarding intake noise abatement -- Thanks!
@chines1 posted:A few shops seem to get just the amount they need and no extras... for some reason I was never able to develop that relationship with Tiger and still struggle to get what I need, even after 20 years.
I've bought probably 6 headers from Tiger, three with mufflers, etc. I had to wait over a year for one of them. They're beautifully made. I can't imagine relying on them for production cars like Carey and Greg.
You're welcome, John.
I'm not currently running them, but I purchased CB turbo hats, gaskets, and cone air filters. This gives a substantial decrease in noise. I also bought and used shorter velocity stacks as the CB turbo hats are about 1/2" shorter than the standard Weber air filters.
I did back-to-back tests but I don't remember actual numbers. It was at least 7-8 dB(I think more). Remember every 3 dB is 50% less perceived loudness, so 7-8 is quite a lot.
The only number I remember is 107dB at WOT with the top installed and up. I'm positive it was below 100 dB after the turbo hats but I don't have that info.
Ok, looked it up and the noise level was REDUCED TO 95dB from 107. That's HUGE.
https://www.speedsterowners.co...9#570173836977601739
I am not running this setup now. Big difference in noise level going from 44IDF(36mm vents) to 48mm throttle bodies. The bigger throat simply makes more noise. I may have to go back to it though, it's pretty loud. My ears are always ringing, but today they are ringing a little more after driving the Spyder yesterday.
@DannyP posted:You're welcome, John.
I'm not currently running them, but I purchased CB turbo hats, gaskets, and cone air filters. This gives a substantial decrease in noise. I also bought and used shorter velocity stacks as the CB turbo hats are about 1/2" shorter than the standard Weber air filters.
I did back-to-back tests but I don't remember actual numbers. It was at least 7-8 dB(I think more). Remember every 3 dB is 50% less perceived loudness, so 7-8 is quite a lot.
The only number I remember is 107dB at WOT with the top installed and up. I'm positive it was below 100 dB after the turbo hats but I don't have that info.
Ok, looked it up and the noise level was REDUCED TO 95dB from 107. That's HUGE.
https://www.speedsterowners.co...9#570173836977601739
I am not running this setup now. Big difference in noise level going from 44IDF(36mm vents) to 48mm throttle bodies. The bigger throat simply makes more noise. I may have to go back to it though, it's pretty loud. My ears are always ringing, but today they are ringing a little more after driving the Spyder yesterday.
Wow -- great information, Danny -- much appreciated! This, along with the exhaust cone idea from you and @dlearl476, I've got a plan of action.
I'm also particularly happy to hear that these techniques don't appear to affect performance.
@Stan Galat posted:I've bought probably 6 headers from Tiger, three with mufflers, etc. I had to wait over a year for one of them. They're beautifully made. I can't imagine relying on them for production cars like Carey and Greg.
That’s what I love about Mr ex-Turbo guy. I make an appt, show up with materials , and he goes to work.
@Wulfrik (John) posted:I'm also particularly happy to hear that these techniques don't appear to affect performance.
Call me crazy, but I think adding a slight bit of back pressure actually helped my performance. It’s (allegedly) a 2.0L motor and it came with an open 1 1/4 exhaust. I think the 1 5/8” CB exhaust is probably too big for it. I only drove it home from Indiana with that exhaust, a long time ago, and I rarely drive it without today (only when I’m working on it and have to repeatedly open the clam) but it seems to have a little more torque with it on.
What I ended up with:
Cookie cutter from GT Racing
Megaphone fromSpeedway Motors
Perforated metal tubing from Amazon
