I saw the late George Brown's 1st IM-D on Ebay for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1959-ConvertableD-Replica-By-Intermeccanica-Stunning_W0QQitemZ320486313647QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a9e790eaf
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I saw the late George Brown's 1st IM-D on Ebay for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1959-ConvertableD-Replica-By-Intermeccanica-Stunning_W0QQitemZ320486313647QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a9e790eaf
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1959-ConvertableD-Replica-By-Intermeccanica-Stunning_W0QQitemZ320486313647QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a9e790eaf
Isn't that the one that Karl Macklin used to own as well?
Yep!
A VERY nice IM, but an odd color choice for the top, considering it has a blue colored interior.
It's a shame the ad has so many typos in it. I wonder if the sale price will be affected.
I've bid on it the last 2 times it was on Ebay. It's never met the reserve. I think he's holding out for some big $$$. Maybe if it still had George's original engine in it it would be worth a little more.
It's been said a bunch of times that the late GB was the standard bearer for details.
Original engine notwithstanding, it's a beautiful car. That sale, whenever it does sell, will be a good barometer for the current market, I would think.
Original engine notwithstanding, it's a beautiful car. That sale, whenever it does sell, will be a good barometer for the current market, I would think.
Ended with a $24,800 'reserve not met' Bill, did George have Vintage build his 2110, or is the seller misinformed?
For those of you who were around when George posted, you'll remember that he was quite a character. I had a chance to meet him when he picked up his last speedster, but I had car troubles and couldn't make it in to Vancouver. I wish I had.
For those of you who were around when George posted, you'll remember that he was quite a character. I had a chance to meet him when he picked up his last speedster, but I had car troubles and couldn't make it in to Vancouver. I wish I had.
Ron: If I remember right, the car developed a problem with the cam about a year or so after George sold the car to Karl. Karl had Kurt at Vintage Perf. do the rebuild adding his touches to make it a nice runner.
Unfortunate you didn't get over to meet George. He was a real gentlemanly guy to shoot the $hit with and had the smoothest southern drawl.
He really wasn't as he was perceived to be from his posting online.
~WB
Unfortunate you didn't get over to meet George. He was a real gentlemanly guy to shoot the $hit with and had the smoothest southern drawl.
He really wasn't as he was perceived to be from his posting online.
~WB
"Jeff, This car for sale has the original engine, albeit rebuilt at some point.
You are confusing this car with George's Speedster, which had another engine installed after his passing."
Yeah, I think I read that wrong & was thinking of his Speedster (whatever happened to his Speedy).
Anyone miss the George/Jake Type I/Type IV debates?
You are confusing this car with George's Speedster, which had another engine installed after his passing."
Yeah, I think I read that wrong & was thinking of his Speedster (whatever happened to his Speedy).
Anyone miss the George/Jake Type I/Type IV debates?
I don't think George's speedster engine ever did run properly. Didn't he end up taking it apart shortly before his fatal heart attack?
This is a very nice car-love that Porsche 901 gearbox.
This is a very nice car-love that Porsche 901 gearbox.
Yes, George was quite a good chap. I met him at Carlisle when I hung out at Henry's display that year, and George had his 'new' Speedster. Some guy from Texas bought that car, and posted on here a while ago.
I often regret not buying George's Speedster, as Henry offered it to me when George's estate was selling it.
I often regret not buying George's Speedster, as Henry offered it to me when George's estate was selling it.
George's roadster (this car) had a CB 2110, Henry's engine. His speedster had a king-kong 2387, which was a stop-gap in his mind while he gathered information and parts for a Polopoulus (SP?) OHC 911/4.
He passed away with his car in pieces. Henry Reisner helped the family get the car back together, and brokered a sale to a VW collector in Houston. The buyer had his own vision of what he wanted the car to be, and painted it, removed the Bivens wheels, etc. I know this, because I bought the wheels from him.
They were in pretty rough shape when I bought them. I'm not sure if the damage occurred when George was driving the car, while the car was in the care of the family, or once it was sold. All I know is that I took out the curb rash, brushed them up with a scotch-brite pad, and cleared them with acrylic powder-coat. They look like jewelry now, and I've got a little piece of GB's car in my garage.
Actually, the whole hobby owes GB a debt. He was an arrogant and cantankerous old cuss, but wasn't afraid to treat his cars with the respect that they deserved- by spending (what at the time we all thought was) outlandish money on them. He broke a lot of ground. When everybody else was looking at the Bivens wheels and crying about the cost, he was writing a check. When we all complained about heat, he was having a gasoline heater installed (in the speedster). He wanted his car to be seen for what it was- a sports car in its own right.
Eventually, even a tight-wad like me ended up pretty much following the GB outline- Intermeccanica with a gasoline heater and Bivens wheels.
The only thing he missed the mark on (IMHO) was the whole Type 1/ Type 4 holy war. He came down pretty firmly in the Type 1 camp, which was at odds with his "pay what it costs" approach to everything else. The Type 4 platform is just superior if you take money out of the equation (I have a big, high dollar Type 1, so I didn't follow the credo).
If he were alive today and building another car, he'd do another Intermeccanica, probably a roadster, as it's just a more practical car. He'd get a 911 suspension, no matter what engine he ran. He'd use a 915 transaxle (just like he did in his speedster). I don't think he'd do a 911/6- he was really, really concerned about balance. If he hadn't been in a flame war with Jake, he'd have come around to the virtues of a Type 4, but he'd have built a BIG one (3L), and probably had it injected, etc.
In short- he'd have built my dream car. I miss GB for blazing a trail for all of us to follow.
He passed away with his car in pieces. Henry Reisner helped the family get the car back together, and brokered a sale to a VW collector in Houston. The buyer had his own vision of what he wanted the car to be, and painted it, removed the Bivens wheels, etc. I know this, because I bought the wheels from him.
They were in pretty rough shape when I bought them. I'm not sure if the damage occurred when George was driving the car, while the car was in the care of the family, or once it was sold. All I know is that I took out the curb rash, brushed them up with a scotch-brite pad, and cleared them with acrylic powder-coat. They look like jewelry now, and I've got a little piece of GB's car in my garage.
Actually, the whole hobby owes GB a debt. He was an arrogant and cantankerous old cuss, but wasn't afraid to treat his cars with the respect that they deserved- by spending (what at the time we all thought was) outlandish money on them. He broke a lot of ground. When everybody else was looking at the Bivens wheels and crying about the cost, he was writing a check. When we all complained about heat, he was having a gasoline heater installed (in the speedster). He wanted his car to be seen for what it was- a sports car in its own right.
Eventually, even a tight-wad like me ended up pretty much following the GB outline- Intermeccanica with a gasoline heater and Bivens wheels.
The only thing he missed the mark on (IMHO) was the whole Type 1/ Type 4 holy war. He came down pretty firmly in the Type 1 camp, which was at odds with his "pay what it costs" approach to everything else. The Type 4 platform is just superior if you take money out of the equation (I have a big, high dollar Type 1, so I didn't follow the credo).
If he were alive today and building another car, he'd do another Intermeccanica, probably a roadster, as it's just a more practical car. He'd get a 911 suspension, no matter what engine he ran. He'd use a 915 transaxle (just like he did in his speedster). I don't think he'd do a 911/6- he was really, really concerned about balance. If he hadn't been in a flame war with Jake, he'd have come around to the virtues of a Type 4, but he'd have built a BIG one (3L), and probably had it injected, etc.
In short- he'd have built my dream car. I miss GB for blazing a trail for all of us to follow.
Well put, Stan.
Nobody here or at the spyder site mentioned this same seller had a spyder listed as well last week; Ebay item # 320486280674
Anyone got any pro/con info ?
Owner says still available
Anyone got any pro/con info ?
Owner says still available
Stan, I was around back when George posted, and I agree with your analysis 100%. As I mentioned in another thread, I wish I'd had the chance to sit down with him and discuss speedsters over a couple of drinks.
Stan - The setup you describe would be just about perfect, IMO. Reading back through some of the older threads, there was at least one point on which George and Jake did manage to wholeheartedly agree