Nice outlaw coupe on ebay

To complicate things even further, the last few years (58/59) of the 356A Carrera GT coupe DID have vent windows also, same as what became standard on the B and C cars starting in 1960.

Jeez, Carey, that does rattle my cage!...I guess I've never seen a late year Carrera GT 'A' coupe. I'll be more careful in future pontificating.

Yeah, every so often someone turns up with a car that "Hans und Fritz" created at the factory with really cool, "slightly off from normal", stuff going on.  Max Hoffman was not opposed to ordering something special for special customers - especially of they had ready money.

I think it is pretty easy to go from a mass appeal custom car to one that is just a bit too personalized. For me, this car is an example of the latter. It almost is a "retro" concept car, if that makes any sense.

Wasn't Max Hoffman the driving force behind Porsche producing the short-lived 'America Roadster', (about 1952), predating the much longer lived 'Speedster' as an entry level machine also aimed at the American market? It appeared to be a design cross between a 550 and speedster with a slight dipping front to back fender 'swoop' sort of similar to the later Jag150 profile. 

I think Hoffman made a mistake and hastened its short production life  by promoting/marketing it with a 'feminine appeal'....always a well coiffured, off the shoulder sun-dress model behind the wheel in promotion photos!  Who wants to be seen in an anemic '***** car'?? ....He should have had a t-shirted James Dean type, in sun glasses, behind the wheel....If so, we'd all be driving fiberglass replica America Roadsters....Huh?  

Bidding now up to $36,877.00 with just under three days left 

Could this actually see 40K?

If this keep$ up I may cobble a rag top version sometime in the future.

IF THIS KEEPS UP I AM SELLING MINE STARTING WITH A $40K PRICE LOL!!!! Hang on to your cars gents...they are become more popular because....the REAL ones are UNOBTANIUM...:}

I believe this to be Kitzkrieg (or whatever they called themselves before) first attempt at a coupe.  It was a SEMA car or something.  It was for sale on eBay a few years ago by someone else.  

If anyone is looking for a traditional JPS coupe, I have decided to sell my auratium green 1776cc  with 8k one owner miles.  If interested please PM me for pics and details.  Price is firm at $26,500.

@Tom, you're 6 months to early for me. Let's see some pics and tell us about it.

Getting back to the original topic (the coupe for sale)- I wonder what bore/stroke combination makes a 2232? I'm asking because there's none available that I know of...

Auction ended @ US $40,300.00 and didn't hit the reserve. Wow.

Once again, I must be from another planet and live by different rules. How is that possible - it would go so high and they would not take it?

Wow.

It's called "Greed"

Good grief!  Maybe I better bump up my asking price, lol.

Tom Williams posted:

Good grief!  Maybe I better bump up my asking price, lol.

Only if you want to keep it longer...Nice car by the way, thanks for the pictures. I hope it's still around when I'm ready.

Carlos, dipping into my bag marked Cynical Explanations I pulled out the one that proposes that 40K plus wasn't accepted because that high bid was a 'straw bid' entered by Worldwide in hopes that whoever they were fishing with would up it before time expired...Duh

It was fairly obvious from the beginning when Worldwide totally misidentified the vehicle that they had no realistic idea of what they had on their hands and ignorant of the slip-shod build quality of what they were peddling.

That coupe is a cobbled piece of s**t, and we'll see it again on the market fishing for a starry-eyed buyer...at least that's the story I pulled out of the Cynic Bag!   

Ron O posted:

Odd bidding by 279?

I don't do a lot of eBay purchasing, but this doesn't look too fishy to me. Instead it looks like c***t put in a bid higher than $34,333 (for example, say they put in $35k). But their highest bid isn't public. It's only highest others push the price to.

a***b comes along, seeing the current bid around $30k and starts fishing to see how high they need to go. They put in $33k as their max bid, but c***t's bid is still higher, so the live, public price jumps to $33k (still claimed by c***t because their max bid is higher).

But a***b isn't happy and digs a bit deeper in their budget for a $34k bid. Again, c***t is higher, so it doesn't matter. c***t remains in the lead, but the public bid is now up to $34k.

All this isn't to say that c***t and a***b aren't straw bids, placed by employees or bots. But hopefully this is helpful to understand how eBay auctions work. The information above isn't enough to say it's fishy.

The bidding only looks odd because eBay doesn't show automatic bids by default. Click "show automatic bids" and you can see that one person was bidding against the previous entered bids.

-=theron

wow - that sold for a pretty penny.  $40K with a one-line incorrect description on the motor that reads

2232 CC Monster motor

MangoSmoothie.ca posted:

wow - that sold for a pretty penny.  $40K with a one-line incorrect description on the motor that reads

2232 CC Monster motor

Actually, it didn't sell as it didn't hit the reserve price  

art posted:

ALB posted:

Getting back to the original topic (the coupe for sale)- I wonder what bore/stroke combination makes a 2232? I'm asking because there's none available that I know of...

Al, maybe a typo?  84 stroke and 94 bore= 2332

Apparently math and knowing what they're selling aren't their strong points. Over exaggeration is what they excel at.

Robert M posted:

art posted:

ALB posted:

Getting back to the original topic (the coupe for sale)- I wonder what bore/stroke combination makes a 2232? I'm asking because there's none available that I know of...

Al, maybe a typo?  84 stroke and 94 bore= 2332

Apparently math and knowing what they're selling aren't their strong points. Over exaggeration is what they excel at.

Yeah, could have been a typo, Art, but Robert's comment was my point.

That's fine AL. You forgotten more than I know. My posting was about 2 hrs. b4 Roberts, so  I couldn't take it into consideration, or I would have.

I only made that comment as I have made the same mistake, when highlighting my brother in laws speedster, on this very site.

Cheers

Here is what I hope: that whoever is thinking of buying this car gets the message that there is a thing called the SOC, where knowledge and experience lie and that some serious info about this car can be found -- for FREE.

I wonder who built this car? Seems it has a custom chassis. The front wheels sit in the middle of the fender well unlike the JPS coupes. It has some very nice details. Just because the builder wasn't a member here doesn't mean it's not a good build. $50K worth? Probably not.

It was the first (and only?) Carrera Coachwerks coupe.

Here is a thread form this site on the car, not much info.

https://www.speedsterowners.com...t-carrera-coachwerks

It's all coming back to me now......

Mr. Hines is obviously correct about the provenance of the car. I remember the pictures of it. The body exit exhaust etc. 

What a freak show that operation was.

I remember them (CCW) posting pics of a really nice coupe chassis that looked like a race car chassis. Is that chassis in this car? Setting the freak show business aside they may have done some excellent work on that car.

The Heartland Coalition (a 501c3 charity) in San Diego that was the parent, if you will, of CCW, and the builders of the car discussed in this thread, eventually fell from grace when it co-sponsored a college scholarship program in San Diego that promised $50k in pay outs to the winners but ultimately paid out, at most, $1,250 to one of the five winners. Evidently the other four got even less than that. Heartland and its partner blamed the evaporation of scholarship funding on several unnamed donors who pulled out of the program at the last minute, imagine that. The participants also had to make PSA's for the program as part of qualifying for their scholarships. Heartland got slammed by the local media, including TV channel 8.

Alan Cassells, the guy who ran at least part of the CCW show and was a frequent poster here under the "Mr AC" moniker (fun read of his posts if you have a few minutes) is now selling real estate and touting his investment, consulting and mortgage businesses in and around San Diego. If you recall from his last postings, he attempted to disavow / play down his role in the CCW collapse in postings on the site. You go ahead and do business with him, I'll be over here in the corner.....

The infamous Theo Hanson after running off to Chicago, where he grew a beard, tried stand up comedy and developing distressed real estate is now waxing poetic about the benefits of a vegan juicer diet. He claims the vegan way cured his wife's breast cancer and caused him to lose 85 pounds. Oh yeah...he raves that his sex life has improved too.

He is selling $9.99 monthly memberships to his vegan lifestyle and recipe program via his "Raw Potential Kitchen" website, no kidding, it's true. If you sign up for a year at $89.99 you also get a T shirt as part of the special offer, again, not kidding! 

I think I'll have a porterhouse tonight.

These guys never quit, do they. 

art posted:

That's fine AL. You forgotten more than I know. My posting was about 2 hrs. b4 Roberts, so  I couldn't take it into consideration, or I would have.

I only made that comment as I have made the same mistake, when highlighting my brother in laws speedster, on this very site.

Cheers

It's excusable if an enthusiast gets a detail or 2 wrong (I mean, who hasn't?), but they sell cars for a living. Apparently it's asking a lot, but I expect a place like that to have all the details right.

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MISTERAC posted:

"Here's two pics of our black Coupe that was delivered to customer, note the nice tailpipe in second pic...."

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You gotta admit...that is a nice tailpipe...