oil tube pickup fell off

Magnet?

What I'm looking for is what does that pickup tube hook up to, and how do I get it into/over whatever it connects to.

Is this the pickup tube that fell off?

If so, it fits into the case. Good luck getting it back in without tearing the engine down.

thats the one , anybody have any tips or techniques that may work, really don't want to pull it apart. anybody have any luck with motor still together ?

The problem is that it's supposed to be a press fit. If it's sloppy, the oil pump will suck air, and not provide steady oil to the galleys.

If I was going to attempt to reinstall one, I think I would use a bunch of loctite sleeve retainer to try to minimize air gaps.  

Can I ask, why did you take the stud out that holds the tube?

the gasket under the wire filter was ripped by previous owner and was leaking, took studs out to clean gasket surface as it came up and left pieces around studs, guessing I'm going to give it a good go around tomorrow, after that I will decide on buying a bigger long block and take this one apart later or split it, have to wonder how tight the tube was in the case as I barely touched it .

While it's probably not impossible to replace the pickup without an engine tear-down, as Stan said it is damn near impossible.  The tube going from the umbrella goes toward the pulley end (rear) of the engine and is press fit into about a 3/4" hole in the case right behind the oil pump.  You can't see the hole unless you can stick a cellphone up in there (or better yet, a small USB camera) to see where it is.  Maybe the sump opening is large enough to fit your hand up in there, but I doubt it.

This is what it looks like in there:

If you can find the hole, you then have to guide the pickup tube into it, apply pressure to the far side of the umbrella (I would use the lower pickup tube as a kind of lever) and then twist it back and forth/gently wiggle it around to get it to seat into the case hole.  That's hard enough to do when the case is apart, and MUCH harder when it's together.

If, by some miracle, the tube can find the hole, line up straight and you can wiggle it into place enough to get the umbrella tab to seat onto the sump cover stud, then it will probably turn out OK (I assume it had decent oil pressure before all this happened).  In the engines I have built, that pickup tube never really fit super tight into the case.  You pushed it in til it stopped and it felt like it hit a ridge or something and what held it in place was the sump cover stud.  The Type 4, OTOH, had an o-ring on the tube where it went into the case - NOT on your engine.

Like you, I would most likely try seating it a few times until you throw in the towel and think about finding someone locally to do it for you.  They might have a trick better than mine, too.  Dana Johnson doesn't do VW engines any more, but I'll poke around to see who's left in case you go that route.

I wonder if something could be pushed through the tube from the other end to guide it into the case and then remove it?  Never tried that, but thinking out loud, here.....

This is when you ask; "What would Alan Merklin do?"

That tube is supposed to be swedged into the case from behind the galley plug.  I recently installed one into my TF-1 case, and it was an interference fit.

was wondering if theres a hole or plate that could be removed from backside of engine that would allow me to put a wire etc thru the hole to guide pipe ??

@widebody boy posted:

was wondering if theres a hole or plate that could be removed from backside of engine that would allow me to put a wire etc thru the hole to guide pipe ??

Guiding the pipe is probably not the problem, it’s getting good leverage on it.

You can get to the pickup tube hole with a piece of wire by pulling the oil pump.

First, get an oil pump puller. Then, loosen the case stud above the pump and the through-bolt below. Pull the pump, which may require some swearing.

But, I'm with Rick, it's really tough to get any leverage to get the tube back in. Personally, I'd split the case and reseal it. Yeah, it's a lot of time and energy, and some gaskets. But you'll KNOW if the suction tube is tight and installed correctly.

got the tube back where it belongs, really tight fit in the hole, started and sounds as it did before, not for the weak willed but with a can do attitude .. 21 years on a SEAL team, I don't give up easy.

"21 years on a SEAL team" is awe-inspiring.

CONGRATULATIONS!!

That’s how I felt when I drilled, reamed and tapped my engine case for full flow oil - With the engine fully assembled and still in the car!  You read all the instructions and finally say, “I can do this!” and go ahead and do it.  

And now we all know that it is possible to do this, with the right attitude.   👍 👍

WOW!  That’s the best thing I’ve read all week!

Done this once myself.  The hardest part will be getting the 10mm nut back on the bracket that holds it in place. I can be done though. I used a little neighbor kid with small hands to get the nut back on. I had to show him how to turn the nut too.

Anyway I made a small slide hammer with a diagonal split piece of steel bar that snugly fit in the inside of the oil tube.

Then I drilled out the plug on the rear of the engine adjacent the oil galley. I got the oil tube back in the hole (with locktite on it) then inserted the split bar into the tube and tightened it (not so tight that I made the tube bigger)   Then used the moveable slide hammer sleeve to pull the tube further into the case with lots of  light taps.  Watch it carefully so you don't pull it past where the stud won't go into the bracket

You need to clean out the hole and the tube before all this so the Locktite will bond to the metal.

Then, using a NPT pipe tap, re-thread the hole and install a Allen style pipe plug and your done

Caution....Work super careful.....super clean....and super slow to make sure you leave no metal chips behind !

Believe me IT CAN BE DONE................HOPE THIS HELPS.............Bruce