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The infamous traditional vs updated Speedster debate. It is a personal question whether to remain true to the original design or should its limitations be improved upon?

Old school guys say part of their enjoyment with these cars are its quirky personalities, they shrug off the annoyances as minor and part of its charm. New school guys say non-leaking tops, heater/defrosters that work, roll-up windows and a better fuel management system would civilize, and in their mind improve, these cars.

The two manufacturers of the pan-based Speedsters try to keep the price point low so more people will be able to afford these cars. Going new school may price some pilgrams out of making a purchase. IM isn't concerned about price points because their customers may be more affluent and don't mind paying more. Beck Speedsters are priced between the pan cars and IM so perhaps they provide a middle ground.

What is the soul of these cars? If you believe it is the aircooled engine then there are many great T1 & T4 engine combos and talented builders, but strictly speaking, the more powerful options have two or three times the hp output of the "original" so maybe there is a grey zone between old and new school. Disk brake upgrades would fall into this grey zone also, ditto modern music systems.

If you live in a year-round warm climate you likely don't fully appreciate the fuss over heaters and leaking tops, whereas someone who encounters sub-freezing winters and tens of inches of rain in a normal year they may believe otherwise.

In fly fishing there are purist who refuse to tie on anything other than dry flies, that's it. If one is an old school purist then I suppose that would mean having six-volt electrics, a 60 hp engine, no stereo, no disk brakes, etc. Once you start upgrading those components the original design has been altered, to a degree.

I personally believe the soul of the Speedster is its body design and not the engine. I love the "chopped" look of these cars with their tops up. I fell for the 356 Speedster A profile the first time I saw one, certainly more so than the way the "D" model looks with its top up, but that may be just me. What would be nice about roll-up windows is that means you can lock your car doors when you go to a movie or run into the mall on an errand for your better half. I would feel more relaxed with doors that lock even if a thief would only need to unsnap a few snaps to reach into your car to unlock it.

I would like the car to look old school but I lust for new school features. I am anxious to see how the mid-engine Suby (turbo, perhaps one day) with its five speed transmission turns out. Its funny but one of the things I like best about aircooled cars is the mechanical noise they make. I love that sound. If the Suby engine doesn't have a soulful sound I would take points away for that.

Oh, and I have really enjoyed the updated photo feature here and am especially enjoying the Outlaw cars. Some have a custom look, others going for a 50's retro racing look. Love them both.
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The infamous traditional vs updated Speedster debate. It is a personal question whether to remain true to the original design or should its limitations be improved upon?

Old school guys say part of their enjoyment with these cars are its quirky personalities, they shrug off the annoyances as minor and part of its charm. New school guys say non-leaking tops, heater/defrosters that work, roll-up windows and a better fuel management system would civilize, and in their mind improve, these cars.

The two manufacturers of the pan-based Speedsters try to keep the price point low so more people will be able to afford these cars. Going new school may price some pilgrams out of making a purchase. IM isn't concerned about price points because their customers may be more affluent and don't mind paying more. Beck Speedsters are priced between the pan cars and IM so perhaps they provide a middle ground.

What is the soul of these cars? If you believe it is the aircooled engine then there are many great T1 & T4 engine combos and talented builders, but strictly speaking, the more powerful options have two or three times the hp output of the "original" so maybe there is a grey zone between old and new school. Disk brake upgrades would fall into this grey zone also, ditto modern music systems.

If you live in a year-round warm climate you likely don't fully appreciate the fuss over heaters and leaking tops, whereas someone who encounters sub-freezing winters and tens of inches of rain in a normal year they may believe otherwise.

In fly fishing there are purist who refuse to tie on anything other than dry flies, that's it. If one is an old school purist then I suppose that would mean having six-volt electrics, a 60 hp engine, no stereo, no disk brakes, etc. Once you start upgrading those components the original design has been altered, to a degree.

I personally believe the soul of the Speedster is its body design and not the engine. I love the "chopped" look of these cars with their tops up. I fell for the 356 Speedster A profile the first time I saw one, certainly more so than the way the "D" model looks with its top up, but that may be just me. What would be nice about roll-up windows is that means you can lock your car doors when you go to a movie or run into the mall on an errand for your better half. I would feel more relaxed with doors that lock even if a thief would only need to unsnap a few snaps to reach into your car to unlock it.

I would like the car to look old school but I lust for new school features. I am anxious to see how the mid-engine Suby (turbo, perhaps one day) with its five speed transmission turns out. Its funny but one of the things I like best about aircooled cars is the mechanical noise they make. I love that sound. If the Suby engine doesn't have a soulful sound I would take points away for that.

Oh, and I have really enjoyed the updated photo feature here and am especially enjoying the Outlaw cars. Some have a custom look, others going for a 50's retro racing look. Love them both.
I agree Eric. When I bought my kit 15 years ago I had never even seen one in person and didn't know how to contact others who owned them. Back then I liked the idea of more rubber on the road and purchased the flared CMC - didn't know what an "outlaw". Followed that up with personal custom touches rather than go original - hidden switches/smooth dash, fully upholstered dash, roll bar, etc. After seeing the cars on this site and others in person for the past year I would probably go more traditional but still go with the "racer" look. The variety and personal preferences of each person makes this hobby interesting....each to his/her own.
Erik, as I see it - one great thing about these cars is the opportunity to individualize to suit the owners tastes, and most owners here will take the opportunity to modify one way or another as they see fit. I think you are absolutely right that the overall body design is what grabs us all. Beyond that its a matter of personal preferences. One guy may not be able to stand to go out on public roads without the biggest, baddest, most powerful engine he can squeeze into the space; while another may be totally satisfied with the simple 1600 one/carb. We will all fall to some point on the spectrum, and 'to each his own'. I myself tend to prefer the more traditional appearance; but I like my CD player, alarm, and a little more than stock powered engine. I can also appreciate and enjoy seeing the most totally tricked-out flareside, fat tired, customized tub out there. I think there's room for us all, and not really any need to debate. I just realized - if money were no object - I would have three Speedsters; a completely traditional version, a slick custom-look flare fendered, and a 50's retro-racer. Too many choices!
Being the owner of an "outlaw" speedster (my street rod in disguise) I think it reflects it's owner. Some guys lookk good in a beard, some don't. Both want to be looking good. Being an auld fahrt I like the body style of the cars I first saw racing down main stret in Watkins Glen in the early fifties, and later at the curent track site. Its really fun to look old and kick some young butt. Most of my street encounters seem to be with fellas my sons age. Two big differences, when I stop for gas, the chicks dig my wheels (actually a few grey haired grannies did to) and by being an outlaw, I can redesign and fab improvements for it any time I'm so inclined.
hey guys the way i see this is build what you want and dont worry about it thats the only way the "owner" will every be happy . before we even start to build someone a car we try to find out what they want . ive tryed very hard to build people the cars and trucks they want . so body it your way and drive the wheels off .
Bruce, I'm working on some pix. My wife just bought a digital camera to record the grand kids. If thngs go normal, in about 2 or 3 years I'll figure out how to use it. But to the subject at hand: Bill, AMEN to that. Build what you want (or can afford) and enjoy it. One thing sure, you ain't likely to meet another one like it very often. And if I get kicked by a Honda S 2000, well, shucks anybody can go buy one of them things. I,m the only one who's got one like this!
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