The seller claims it's a restored 59 Carrera Speedster. Unless the photos deceive, it sure looks like a VS to me.
Just amazing.
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The seller claims it's a restored 59 Carrera Speedster. Unless the photos deceive, it sure looks like a VS to me.
Just amazing.
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Just amazing.
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John, one of the pleasures of having a "second life" after a transplant is that you take a whole new approach to life. One of the changes in me has been less tolerance for crap like this guy is trying to pull off. "There's a sucker born...." and this guy is trying to reel in one. If not, then he is the sucker and all that other BS he spewed about having had some exotics in his garage is just that, pure BS!
With my attitude I typed up a simple message and just sent it to this person. Let's see what happens. (text of e-mail follows)
"This is a gross misrepresentation of facts. YOU know and I KNOW, that this is NOT a 59 Porsche and it's damn sure not a Carrera. It is a very nice appearing Replica of a "57" Speedster A 1600, built by Vintage Speedsters in CA. I have one, and am proud of it, but would never lie about it's origin.
You claim to have owned some other high dollar cars and should know better...... (?????) The VIN is a VW and YOU know it if you registered the car in Texas. It is neither too hot or cold in Texas for that car. btw. If you are truly naive enough to have bought this car under the misrepresentation of that outfit in AZ of this being a REAL thing, then here's a wake up call. They sell cars listing them as whatever year Porsche... but they are also careful to give the origin of build as Vintage Speedsters and they are careful to indicate the car is a replica.
Here is the bottom line. Either pull your ad and correct it by noon tomorrow or I will report the fraud to E-Bay. The value of a real Carrera (and 0 black 59s) is well over the value of your car. There's a big difference and YOU need to be honest here. Right now on a forum of hundreds of owners and more participants a copy of this message is being posted. Why? Because we care about the reputation of our group, our replicas, and our manufacturers....
There it is.
Proud Owner of a 57 Replica Porsche by Vintage. Jim Ward
With my attitude I typed up a simple message and just sent it to this person. Let's see what happens. (text of e-mail follows)
"This is a gross misrepresentation of facts. YOU know and I KNOW, that this is NOT a 59 Porsche and it's damn sure not a Carrera. It is a very nice appearing Replica of a "57" Speedster A 1600, built by Vintage Speedsters in CA. I have one, and am proud of it, but would never lie about it's origin.
You claim to have owned some other high dollar cars and should know better...... (?????) The VIN is a VW and YOU know it if you registered the car in Texas. It is neither too hot or cold in Texas for that car. btw. If you are truly naive enough to have bought this car under the misrepresentation of that outfit in AZ of this being a REAL thing, then here's a wake up call. They sell cars listing them as whatever year Porsche... but they are also careful to give the origin of build as Vintage Speedsters and they are careful to indicate the car is a replica.
Here is the bottom line. Either pull your ad and correct it by noon tomorrow or I will report the fraud to E-Bay. The value of a real Carrera (and 0 black 59s) is well over the value of your car. There's a big difference and YOU need to be honest here. Right now on a forum of hundreds of owners and more participants a copy of this message is being posted. Why? Because we care about the reputation of our group, our replicas, and our manufacturers....
There it is.
Proud Owner of a 57 Replica Porsche by Vintage. Jim Ward
Way to go, Jim!
Ron
Ron
Hey, Jim. California needs a Governor. How about it? You move west (no more winter!) and I'll run your campaign.
Great letter to "Mr. B.S."
Great letter to "Mr. B.S."
Wow... If this guy did a grand total of 10 minutes of research he could tell that this car is not what he is claiming. I really doubt it is just plain ignorance. Way to go Jim.
Jerome
Jerome
Here's the reply...... ? Say whatttttttttt!!!!! Jim:
I can assure you I intended no fraud. I have no intention of misrepresenting the car. If it is indeed not a real car, then I was lied to. Also, they forged the title.
This car was purchased from Lotus of Scottsdale. I was buying the lotus, my gf at the time saw the car, liked it, and I bought it. I was told exactly that the car was rebuilt on an original 1959 Porsche frame and was not a repdoduction.
As for selling the car, I am back in Dallas and the car sits. I drive a Ferrari 360f1. bradshawlive.com/ferrari.jpg
What do you estimate the value of the car?
When I get to the office tomorrow, I would be happy to scan the Title. Like I said, I did not intend to misrepresent anything, thus I posted the VIN # and all info I have about the car. If I am guilty of anything, it is buying a car without asking too many questions. But I trusted it was legit, as I was buying it from a high end auto dealer.
Brad Shaw
I can assure you I intended no fraud. I have no intention of misrepresenting the car. If it is indeed not a real car, then I was lied to. Also, they forged the title.
This car was purchased from Lotus of Scottsdale. I was buying the lotus, my gf at the time saw the car, liked it, and I bought it. I was told exactly that the car was rebuilt on an original 1959 Porsche frame and was not a repdoduction.
As for selling the car, I am back in Dallas and the car sits. I drive a Ferrari 360f1. bradshawlive.com/ferrari.jpg
What do you estimate the value of the car?
When I get to the office tomorrow, I would be happy to scan the Title. Like I said, I did not intend to misrepresent anything, thus I posted the VIN # and all info I have about the car. If I am guilty of anything, it is buying a car without asking too many questions. But I trusted it was legit, as I was buying it from a high end auto dealer.
Brad Shaw
You've got to be kidding! I guess since I am one of the many unwashed villagers that can't relate to just buying a Porsche on a whim because my girlfriend thought it was "cute".
Someday I hope to have more money than brains.
Jerome
Someday I hope to have more money than brains.
Jerome
It's too late Jerome you would have to be seriously brain damaged to be that stupid and as for being rich.....maybe this guy would buy your car for .....lets say ....$100,000.00. And by the way there are many "rich" people I work with on a daily basis who are truly as dumb as this guy and just as careless with their money.
My Reply: (Jim)
Brad,
I hate to tell you that you got ripped, but you did Brad. Get a lawyer and have him review the sales contract. Your car is worth 18,000 -20,000 as is, used. It probably cost around 22,000 -25,000 to build if it has discs, leather, and canvas.
In the interim you owe it to potential buyers, your own sense of integrity, and E-Bay's rules for misrepresentation to pull and/or modify the ad to reflect the reality you are learning today.
Please believe me. THAT car is a replica. There's no shame on that, as there are many of us who are quite proud of our 356 Speedster replicas. These are great cars, and as your GF was attracted, many others are attracted to them. As owners, many of us are establishing ties with local PCA clubs and 356 clubs. There is a degree of acceptance of our replicas in these communities as long as we represent the cars for what they are. The ad you are running can only hurt this budding relationship between the replica and true speedster owners. So, again, bottom line. Pull that ad. You have been informed of the real origin of your car. It will be easily verified through Kirk Duncan of Vintage Speedsters in Hawaiian Gardens (LA), CA.
I like your car, in fact I have one that is black with many of the outer options yours features. But mine is not a 1957, or 1959, or a Carrera. Pull that ad and get things sorted out. Please feel free to write if you have Qs. OBTW, You might consider driving it through the Lotus of Phoenix's showroom door with a camo suit on, armed with a CAR-15 and a bandolier of ammo. Jest kiddin!
Jim Ward
Brad,
I hate to tell you that you got ripped, but you did Brad. Get a lawyer and have him review the sales contract. Your car is worth 18,000 -20,000 as is, used. It probably cost around 22,000 -25,000 to build if it has discs, leather, and canvas.
In the interim you owe it to potential buyers, your own sense of integrity, and E-Bay's rules for misrepresentation to pull and/or modify the ad to reflect the reality you are learning today.
Please believe me. THAT car is a replica. There's no shame on that, as there are many of us who are quite proud of our 356 Speedster replicas. These are great cars, and as your GF was attracted, many others are attracted to them. As owners, many of us are establishing ties with local PCA clubs and 356 clubs. There is a degree of acceptance of our replicas in these communities as long as we represent the cars for what they are. The ad you are running can only hurt this budding relationship between the replica and true speedster owners. So, again, bottom line. Pull that ad. You have been informed of the real origin of your car. It will be easily verified through Kirk Duncan of Vintage Speedsters in Hawaiian Gardens (LA), CA.
I like your car, in fact I have one that is black with many of the outer options yours features. But mine is not a 1957, or 1959, or a Carrera. Pull that ad and get things sorted out. Please feel free to write if you have Qs. OBTW, You might consider driving it through the Lotus of Phoenix's showroom door with a camo suit on, armed with a CAR-15 and a bandolier of ammo. Jest kiddin!
Jim Ward
You notice in his ad he doesn't say the CAR is an original 59 Porsche? He says the FRAME is an original 59 Porsche. I think he knows exactly what he has, and is just being very deceptive. Regardless, he has ended the auction.
It's interesting that the Ferrari and Speedster photos are taken infront of different houses...
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It's interesting that the Ferrari and Speedster photos are taken infront of different houses...
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I agree Ron... I just gave him an exit to carry out what's left of his "persona" that's left. You can read it like a book... no Lotus, no red italian cars, and my money says this mulletminded wannabe bought that car through them boys from Scotsdale, AZ and (sometimes) Wisconsin that are running those constant ads on e-bay.. you know that silver with red/tan interior car? and the black carrera with tan interior that shows AZ historical vehicle tags. These guys jack every option up by 20% and the base car by 15% after ordering them from Vintage. I doubt if they maintain any inventory other than the show ponies they run on e-bay. Shysters.. but if you read their ads you will see that they do admit that the cars are from Vintage. Also, the BS about a 59 pan... I doubt if even those shysters would try and run that one past a customer. They are making their money pulling in folks who have done zero research on the Speedster Replica market... but you can bet that they cover their legal tails every inch of the way... meaning; no BS about 59 pans.
Anyway, it's cool that good old John Leader caught this one... it was fun "outing" this pissant.
Jim
Owner of a semi-real-semi-not 57 Speedster on a pan.
Anyway, it's cool that good old John Leader caught this one... it was fun "outing" this pissant.
Jim
Owner of a semi-real-semi-not 57 Speedster on a pan.
The "frame" is very probably NOT from a 59 Porsche as the Porsches used entirely different monocoque chassis than a VW pan. What the Porsche and VW had in common was the similarity of front suspension, rear suspension, and steering units.
But he did have a 'jen-u-wine' Porsche key chain. Come on, that's gotta count for something.
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Them darn e-brake levers will tell the tale every time!
BD
BD
Hi, Saw the comments above and thought I would chip in.
I live here in the Phoenix area. Lotus of Scottsdale currently has a vintage speedster for sale. I looked at it and the sales guy was very upfront about the origin of the car. Their own web site lists the car as a reproduction. Based on my experience, I don
I live here in the Phoenix area. Lotus of Scottsdale currently has a vintage speedster for sale. I looked at it and the sales guy was very upfront about the origin of the car. Their own web site lists the car as a reproduction. Based on my experience, I don
The online fraud on eBay car sales is a lot higher than they let on. Read these two posts on "fake" NSX ads and sales:
www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20147
www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=bea967f4dd88d875332ae7620f2f3eb4&threadid=20328&perpage=50&pagenumber=1
Lots of fake Ferraris for sale too. As Jim W. says above, if it seems too good to be true then it probably is.
www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20147
www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=bea967f4dd88d875332ae7620f2f3eb4&threadid=20328&perpage=50&pagenumber=1
Lots of fake Ferraris for sale too. As Jim W. says above, if it seems too good to be true then it probably is.
I just looked at the ad and reviewed his comments back to you guys. THIS GUY IS SO ABSOLUTELY 100% FRIGGIN LYING. He dances around the issue in the ad but he knows exactly what it is! Why else would he need to point out that it is "titled" as a Porsche. You were too nice to him. He's the one that deserves to be driven through a window.
Not having been around a 356 Carrera for a VERY long time (30 yrs maybe) one thing struck me.... The engine looks a whole lot like whats in my CMC right down to the 'K'dud carbs or at least that's what the air cleaners indicate. Also, I beleive they had really thick fan shrouds - unlike the 36 HP doghouse on this one. Oh Well
He's back. As of 8/28, he's trying it again..."the pitch" has changed slightly, but he's still chock full o'crap (if you'll pardon the expression).
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That just chaps me. Pretty brazen. And he's from Texas? Gives us rednecks a bad name (LOL).
I just sent this to him and am copying original notes to present to E-Bay.
"You asshole. You know that VIN is NOT a porsche VIN. I am writing E Bay now scumbag. And I will send a note to all bidders too.
Get real. make your money without lying ballbag!
Jim"
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I just sent this to him and am copying original notes to present to E-Bay.
"You asshole. You know that VIN is NOT a porsche VIN. I am writing E Bay now scumbag. And I will send a note to all bidders too.
Get real. make your money without lying ballbag!
Jim"
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He has the following:
Vehicle Description
Porsche : 356 1959 Carrera Speedster "repro"
Then, in the next paragraph he states that the frame is from a 356 Porsche.
Vehicle Description
Porsche : 356 1959 Carrera Speedster "repro"
Then, in the next paragraph he states that the frame is from a 356 Porsche.
Ah, but see what he SAYS is "I am not a classic car expert. I was told when I bought the car, it was restored and that the frame is an original 1959 Porsche frame."- see.. kinda' tricky-like. Now he can say, "I NEVER claimed it was a Porsche... honest".
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I saw that add and it seemed to be outwardly a replica, but I didn't read it that close. I wonder if he isn't trying to get someone to buy the car that would like to try and trick someone with it......in other words, he might be looking for a con-artist who would like to buy the car with the intent to pull a fast one on someone......this is a pretty old tried and true con
Jim, why don't you tell him what you REALLY think? LOL....
Those kind of folks really get my talons out!
Jim
Jim
Jim Ward..I sent you an e-mail(personal) reg: your garage sale. Like to buy the Headlight grills, Please respond
Thanks
GClarke
Thanks
GClarke
Gary,
Didn't get the mail.......? But John West bought them within minutes of my post for sale. Sorry!
Jim
Didn't get the mail.......? But John West bought them within minutes of my post for sale. Sorry!
Jim
Jim, Thanks for the reply. I don't seem to be succesful e-mailing anyone on the board, as all the addresses have that(antivirus) statement inserted, and I can't tell how to address an e-mail to anyone. could you explain ? You can e-mail me direct at
Gclarke@crcindustries.com
Thanks Gclarke
Gclarke@crcindustries.com
Thanks Gclarke
Gary,
I just copy and paste the address with the anti-viral statement into the mail/message address box, then delete the word anti-viral. I think I'm getting my mail sent. At least it isn't coming back from the 'Mailer-Demon'
And I think that '59' is still on eBay. I've learned (the hard way) which questions to ask specifically and repeatedly until I get an exact answer to my question. I am having to rebuild the exhaust and smog shit on my eBay 911 acquisition right now as I didn't ask specifically if all the smog equipment was still on the car...pesky (read expensive) little detail.
Vigilance (sp) gentlemen, let's stay on top of those carpet-ebay-baggerzzz!
MM
I just copy and paste the address with the anti-viral statement into the mail/message address box, then delete the word anti-viral. I think I'm getting my mail sent. At least it isn't coming back from the 'Mailer-Demon'
And I think that '59' is still on eBay. I've learned (the hard way) which questions to ask specifically and repeatedly until I get an exact answer to my question. I am having to rebuild the exhaust and smog shit on my eBay 911 acquisition right now as I didn't ask specifically if all the smog equipment was still on the car...pesky (read expensive) little detail.
Vigilance (sp) gentlemen, let's stay on top of those carpet-ebay-baggerzzz!
MM
Jim,
"Gets my talons out?" That's a new one on me. I like it. Your righteous indignation is well placed. As P.T. Barnum stated, "there's a sucker born every minute" and it's just as true today. Some poor trusting and uninformed soul will be separated from a lot of hard earned bucks by a man who is obviously trying to perpetrate a fraud. I salute you for actions in defense of the "Joe Six Packs" of our land. Thanks.
John H.
Too early for a brewsky
"Gets my talons out?" That's a new one on me. I like it. Your righteous indignation is well placed. As P.T. Barnum stated, "there's a sucker born every minute" and it's just as true today. Some poor trusting and uninformed soul will be separated from a lot of hard earned bucks by a man who is obviously trying to perpetrate a fraud. I salute you for actions in defense of the "Joe Six Packs" of our land. Thanks.
John H.
Too early for a brewsky
I filed a complaint with E-Bay, Action requested: Pull the ad.
The seller first ran his ad a month ago claiming the car as being a 1959 Porsche 356 Carrera. When in fact it is not, it is a replica car. After a letter via e-bay to him he revised the ad to it's current status. The current ad claims the frame is a 356 Speedster frame... it is not. He has been asked to provide a VIN for this car to verify it's authenticity, or at least of the car's original frame. He has ignored my requests. The car is actually a replica of a 1957 Speedster (not a 59 as claimed, and not a Carrera either!). The car was most likely built by Vintage Speedsters in CA. It is based on a VW Beetle frame NOT a Porsche frame as clamed. This person is aware of the facts and has known them for over a month. He, in my non-expert opinion, appears to be selling this car under misleading and false information. I may be wrong.... if the seller provides a VIN and I can verify that this is indeed a Porsche based car as is implied, then I will bid on this car. PLEASE PULL THIS AD IN THE INTERIM AND PROTECT OTHER POTENTIAL BIDDERS! Jim Ward
Note; As a long time member of E-Bay with an exceptional purchase/sales record I am sending current bidders copies of this complaint.
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The seller first ran his ad a month ago claiming the car as being a 1959 Porsche 356 Carrera. When in fact it is not, it is a replica car. After a letter via e-bay to him he revised the ad to it's current status. The current ad claims the frame is a 356 Speedster frame... it is not. He has been asked to provide a VIN for this car to verify it's authenticity, or at least of the car's original frame. He has ignored my requests. The car is actually a replica of a 1957 Speedster (not a 59 as claimed, and not a Carrera either!). The car was most likely built by Vintage Speedsters in CA. It is based on a VW Beetle frame NOT a Porsche frame as clamed. This person is aware of the facts and has known them for over a month. He, in my non-expert opinion, appears to be selling this car under misleading and false information. I may be wrong.... if the seller provides a VIN and I can verify that this is indeed a Porsche based car as is implied, then I will bid on this car. PLEASE PULL THIS AD IN THE INTERIM AND PROTECT OTHER POTENTIAL BIDDERS! Jim Ward
Note; As a long time member of E-Bay with an exceptional purchase/sales record I am sending current bidders copies of this complaint.
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Dear Jim, aka dubudee40 ebay.com
Perhaps I need to bring you up to date with Ebay's policy concerning "transaction interference". That is a clear violation with Ebay's policy. In addition, I want a written apology from you calling me an "asshole" and "scumbag".
In the future, please mind your own business.
Joe Jerk
Dear Joe Jerk, (not really:-)
I am sorry I called you an asshole and scumbag. You didn't mention "ballbag", but I offer an apology for that also, unless the term is not offensive to you. I should watch my language when dealing with persons such as yourself.
You asked why I have taken this on. There are several reasons, all having to do with being a consumer and having a thing about scammers. If you were selling Rolexes in Manhattan, it wouldn't bother me, as I wouldn't know the difference and I have no personal interest in those watches. But you are selling a car that I own a near twin of, and you are misrepresenting it, intentionally, or unintentionally......... I am not a crusader by nature and actually I don't care how you make your coin, honestly or under questionable methods. But I am on a crusade about this car and your deliberate use of wording, both last month and now. Calling that car a 1959 Carerra without a caveat last month wasn't even a slight attempt to sell the car for what it is... and now you still retain the "on a 356 Pan and Resto'd line. By the way, the Replica is of a 1957 1600 if you care about the truth. So, call me a crusader if you want... I will continue to pursue this through E-Bay until I am told to do otherwise. That's what we crusaders do... fall smack on our swords.... sometimes. Then sometimes we win.
I have filed a complaint with E-Bay and believe you should pull that whole load of fecal matter of the male bovine creature about it being based on a 356 Pan, et al. You know you are scamming here. Your 1st ad stated it to be a genuine 59 Carerra. After that misrepresentation and now the "insert of repro" you continue with the implication that the car may be a 356 pan based resto. Just tell the truth and you know what the truth is: A quick call verifies that Lotus of Phoenix sold you that car for what it is.... not as you have misrepresented it to be. It is built by Vintage Speedsters of Hawaiian Gardens, it is built on a VW Pan, with a VW Type-1 engfine with dual Kadron Carbs. The only Porsche parts are the badges. Look through the ads, no one else misrepresents their Replica as you have done twice now. Oh, and your reserve is probably high if it's more than $1,000 more than current.
As far as potential bidders doing homework..... I'm a study aide. Report me to e-bay and get a mediator, it only costs $20 between us to settle this dispute. And yes I have read the policies of e-bay including Fraud, misrepresentation,etc. I have all previous letters filed that were exchanged last month when you were told the origin of your car & gave a pollyannish response of "gee, I didn't know that"! This coming from someone who claimed to own many exotic originals, So you were made aware of the truth.
I have a Vintage Speedster and I love the car. I belong to a group of Replica 0wners who have expressed the same sentiments as I have over your ads. Again, just tell the truth. As far as titles. Ask Texas if that is a VW VIN. Last month you were coy, now it's righteous indignation.... be consistent when being a player....
You know, all this would have never happened if you were off somewhere on E-Bay pawning off a 68 Vette small block car with a crate 427 as an original L-88 car, or a refurbed Tempest as a GTO. You just happened to step into an area and a car (replica) that I care about. Too bad, eh?
Aloha
Jim
(Message Edited 8/30/2003 11:14:32 AM)
Perhaps I need to bring you up to date with Ebay's policy concerning "transaction interference". That is a clear violation with Ebay's policy. In addition, I want a written apology from you calling me an "asshole" and "scumbag".
In the future, please mind your own business.
Joe Jerk
Dear Joe Jerk, (not really:-)
I am sorry I called you an asshole and scumbag. You didn't mention "ballbag", but I offer an apology for that also, unless the term is not offensive to you. I should watch my language when dealing with persons such as yourself.
You asked why I have taken this on. There are several reasons, all having to do with being a consumer and having a thing about scammers. If you were selling Rolexes in Manhattan, it wouldn't bother me, as I wouldn't know the difference and I have no personal interest in those watches. But you are selling a car that I own a near twin of, and you are misrepresenting it, intentionally, or unintentionally......... I am not a crusader by nature and actually I don't care how you make your coin, honestly or under questionable methods. But I am on a crusade about this car and your deliberate use of wording, both last month and now. Calling that car a 1959 Carerra without a caveat last month wasn't even a slight attempt to sell the car for what it is... and now you still retain the "on a 356 Pan and Resto'd line. By the way, the Replica is of a 1957 1600 if you care about the truth. So, call me a crusader if you want... I will continue to pursue this through E-Bay until I am told to do otherwise. That's what we crusaders do... fall smack on our swords.... sometimes. Then sometimes we win.
I have filed a complaint with E-Bay and believe you should pull that whole load of fecal matter of the male bovine creature about it being based on a 356 Pan, et al. You know you are scamming here. Your 1st ad stated it to be a genuine 59 Carerra. After that misrepresentation and now the "insert of repro" you continue with the implication that the car may be a 356 pan based resto. Just tell the truth and you know what the truth is: A quick call verifies that Lotus of Phoenix sold you that car for what it is.... not as you have misrepresented it to be. It is built by Vintage Speedsters of Hawaiian Gardens, it is built on a VW Pan, with a VW Type-1 engfine with dual Kadron Carbs. The only Porsche parts are the badges. Look through the ads, no one else misrepresents their Replica as you have done twice now. Oh, and your reserve is probably high if it's more than $1,000 more than current.
As far as potential bidders doing homework..... I'm a study aide. Report me to e-bay and get a mediator, it only costs $20 between us to settle this dispute. And yes I have read the policies of e-bay including Fraud, misrepresentation,etc. I have all previous letters filed that were exchanged last month when you were told the origin of your car & gave a pollyannish response of "gee, I didn't know that"! This coming from someone who claimed to own many exotic originals, So you were made aware of the truth.
I have a Vintage Speedster and I love the car. I belong to a group of Replica 0wners who have expressed the same sentiments as I have over your ads. Again, just tell the truth. As far as titles. Ask Texas if that is a VW VIN. Last month you were coy, now it's righteous indignation.... be consistent when being a player....
You know, all this would have never happened if you were off somewhere on E-Bay pawning off a 68 Vette small block car with a crate 427 as an original L-88 car, or a refurbed Tempest as a GTO. You just happened to step into an area and a car (replica) that I care about. Too bad, eh?
Aloha
Jim
(Message Edited 8/30/2003 11:14:32 AM)
Jim......Huzzah, Huzzah, and a hearty amen. We who either buy or as in my case build from scratch, not only have great pride in our vehicles, we also have great pride in just exactly what they are, and are in no way ashamed or demeaned by the word replica. there is no need for us to overstate the value of our Vintage,JPS, CMC, IM, or any other base body brand. We are fun guys with fun hobbies, and fun cars. There have always been jerks, and will always be. And since we're fun guys, sometimes it's fun to watch a jerks chain get yanked. Truth and justice will prevail !
Gclarke
Gclarke
Jim,
He amended his listing-
"This is a limited replica/reproduction model".
Apparently, he can't bring himself to back down from the "Porsche frame" thing, or the "restoration" part.
He amended his listing-
"This is a limited replica/reproduction model".
Apparently, he can't bring himself to back down from the "Porsche frame" thing, or the "restoration" part.
Jim... What email address did you use to contact eBay?
MM
MM
Thanks for the supportive posts. Paul, go to "help" on the top right & they break down contacts by categories. You will find the title of Violations..... Use that.
I've beat this sucker, actually there are two of them, down from the original claim of a real Carerra, 59 model, to that "Repro" sticker, to that remaining, "I understood... when buying Lotus... original 356 pan and rebuilt" to what is on there now. I found the ace to even halt that BS and sent it to them and E Bay this am... the following comes from E-Bay;s Rules and Policies:
Authenticity Disclaimers
Sellers may not disclaim knowledge of, or responsibility for, the authenticity or legality of the items offered in their listings.
Sellers should take steps to satisfy themselves that their items are authentic before listing them on eBay. If you cannot verify the authenticity of an item, do not list it.
The following examples violate eBay's Authenticity Disclaimer Policy:
"I cannot guarantee the authenticity of this item, so please bid accordingly."
"Vintage Handbag Chanel???"
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So I've finally got the rats cornered on the last bit of info they are clinging to. Slap!!!!!!!!
Oh, notice that the bidding ended with three bidders stopping any new bids,,,,,, wonder why? Hmmmmmm? The sellers threatened to report me, and I dared them to.... sorta like the Fox reporting on the guard dog. I LOVE The Smell Of Nampalm In The Morning, It Smells Like Victory!!!
Col. Jim Kurtz, 1/9 Air Cav
(Message Edited 8/31/2003 11:48:06 AM)
I've beat this sucker, actually there are two of them, down from the original claim of a real Carerra, 59 model, to that "Repro" sticker, to that remaining, "I understood... when buying Lotus... original 356 pan and rebuilt" to what is on there now. I found the ace to even halt that BS and sent it to them and E Bay this am... the following comes from E-Bay;s Rules and Policies:
Authenticity Disclaimers
Sellers may not disclaim knowledge of, or responsibility for, the authenticity or legality of the items offered in their listings.
Sellers should take steps to satisfy themselves that their items are authentic before listing them on eBay. If you cannot verify the authenticity of an item, do not list it.
The following examples violate eBay's Authenticity Disclaimer Policy:
"I cannot guarantee the authenticity of this item, so please bid accordingly."
"Vintage Handbag Chanel???"
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So I've finally got the rats cornered on the last bit of info they are clinging to. Slap!!!!!!!!
Oh, notice that the bidding ended with three bidders stopping any new bids,,,,,, wonder why? Hmmmmmm? The sellers threatened to report me, and I dared them to.... sorta like the Fox reporting on the guard dog. I LOVE The Smell Of Nampalm In The Morning, It Smells Like Victory!!!
Col. Jim Kurtz, 1/9 Air Cav
(Message Edited 8/31/2003 11:48:06 AM)
Now he added another disclaimer about the frame "thing". It appears to me that the auction is still active.
BD
BD
Looks like you won this skirmish, Jim. The auction has ended 'due to an error in the listing'
Good on you!
Good on you!
On Aug-29-03 at 12:23:50 PDT, seller added the following information:
*This is a limited replica/reproduction model
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On Aug-30-03 at 21:50:52 PDT, seller added the following information:
* Please note that this vehicle is NOT an original frame.
You know what guys? It's a shame... it really is. That is a beautiful car and can stand on it's own merits. That's what I said to the sellers in my last and closing remarks on this issue. I even wrote a sample ad for them... extolling the virtues of the car without BSing.
You all won't believe this, but I am a non-confrontational type person. Not meek, nor mild... it's just I usually pick and choose my fights carefully and would blow off a frivilous one such as this. It just got to me, a car similar to what many of us own, some shysters giving me a bad taste after a nice simple e-mail (really), and then the audacity of their claims & FU attitude in return. This was before I got in the ditch with them and got nasty. The "Oh, I didn't know" line just lit my fires when I learned that it actually was a group of 3 who have other cars for sale on e-bay. Not the little rich kid, I bought it for my girlfriend, now she's tired of my genuine 59 Carerra BS that they tried to foist on the public.
The backbreaker? Calling Lotus in Phoenix for the true stuff. I flashed that card and they folded like a cheap suit. (credit Phillip Marlow, LOL)
Anyway, I am thankful that this one went well in the end... I won't be seeking a new crusade any time in the near future. I like driving, my family, and life far more than getting caught up in these fights. But let's chalk one up for OUR team today!!!! Jim
(Message Edited 8/31/2003 5:49:56 PM)
*This is a limited replica/reproduction model
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On Aug-30-03 at 21:50:52 PDT, seller added the following information:
* Please note that this vehicle is NOT an original frame.
You know what guys? It's a shame... it really is. That is a beautiful car and can stand on it's own merits. That's what I said to the sellers in my last and closing remarks on this issue. I even wrote a sample ad for them... extolling the virtues of the car without BSing.
You all won't believe this, but I am a non-confrontational type person. Not meek, nor mild... it's just I usually pick and choose my fights carefully and would blow off a frivilous one such as this. It just got to me, a car similar to what many of us own, some shysters giving me a bad taste after a nice simple e-mail (really), and then the audacity of their claims & FU attitude in return. This was before I got in the ditch with them and got nasty. The "Oh, I didn't know" line just lit my fires when I learned that it actually was a group of 3 who have other cars for sale on e-bay. Not the little rich kid, I bought it for my girlfriend, now she's tired of my genuine 59 Carerra BS that they tried to foist on the public.
The backbreaker? Calling Lotus in Phoenix for the true stuff. I flashed that card and they folded like a cheap suit. (credit Phillip Marlow, LOL)
Anyway, I am thankful that this one went well in the end... I won't be seeking a new crusade any time in the near future. I like driving, my family, and life far more than getting caught up in these fights. But let's chalk one up for OUR team today!!!! Jim
(Message Edited 8/31/2003 5:49:56 PM)