Porsche 959 replica Ontario, Canada

Interesting but more of a hot rod

$18k - its been on SAMBA for a while now - there is another thread here on it. They are very rare - probably only one in Canada!  I think I'm only one on SOC that likes them. The front is especially nice with the flat head lights.  CMC called it a 359.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/cl...etail.php?id=2149350

It is a pretty cool design and  done right with the right colour it would be pretty nice  

I have seen two and both had the same issues: Because of the additional weight of the fiberglass body they crack in the back...I suppose they could be braced similar to the butt sag door gap issues but it still would be one ugly morphed speedster.

I think they're pretty fugly, but that's just my opinion...

PS-  ^^^what Alan said^^^

I never really liked the original, and a replica doesn't change my opinion.

It's interesting, though, in terms of how it is spec'd out.

I saw a red one at Carlisle event - and the engine compartment appears much larger than in a Speedster.  I'm guess it is just a longer tail (which would shorly need added steel to support aka CMC butt sag).  I tried to find a build manual to see if the pan was shortened like the Speedster but could not find one.  The top appears same size so suspect pan is shortened. I recall reading years ago that the kit sold for $15k --- where the CMC Speedster was around $8k --- must be the extra engine grill! Reportedly only about 200 were made.  One had a 6 cyl Porsche engine (sold to new owner in Japan) and there was a rotary wankel in one in TX.

• Hummm. After owning my white 359 for several years i haven't had any cracks or other problems. But its identification lable say  fiberfab. And has the Ca. Spcn smog label too.   And better too as it has porsche guages, no hood pins, better mirrors.  It seems to attract a lot more attention than the porch 356 because nobody knows what they are but that's just my opinion I Luv It. all though I don't use it much.

If anyone can find a double hump fiberglass top cover for one to buy or copy PLEASE LET ME KNOW AS  I WANT ONE BAD!! i will pay a big finders fee...

If anyone needs the build manual or sales, or the same wheels, porsche emblem shifter knob, red seats or anything else i might have as spares just let me know.  Just don't ask for the  5 fugly trophies i have won with it in the last 4 years..

Picts of the interior ?

unofun posted:

 Just don't ask for the  5 fugly trophies i have won with it in the last 4 years..

Ok, that was pretty funny! Touche

Lol first time on a ferry. Coming home from Woodburn show. Scared as hell of the ramp as had just installed coil shocks to raise the front end so it wouldn't scrap driveways.  It really handled great after that.  Was purchased from the Subaru dealer in Sonora, Ca.

I like the looks the interior is more period correct

Steve Hall still has the mold for the double hump. I love the look on mine.

 I bought a speedster project from Steve Hall from  TN. a couple of years ago and two of the FG double humps, they fit like a glove..the mold was very professional and is / was available.

@Theron Theron is it possible to scan in his 359 build manual and post it here on SOC.  I've never seen one posted anywhere.  It would be good to preserve the manual for others.

Any idea of how many made by FF/CMC? I found one reference that said just over 200 and cost was $15k each kit.  Found another that said #206 was for sale in Calgary years ago. The interior looks same as Speedster - same top assembly.  The length seems to be past the engine bay.

If I could get a hold of the manual for a bit, I would certainly scan and put it in the library here.
-=theron

Fellow Soc member in Sarasota FL that built the Miata Speedster has a cool 2 hump hard tonneau (so he must have a mold).

Thanks for the support!  As far as i can tell, except outer body everything is identical to 356.  I have a new top and drop in side curtain from vintage speedsters, in burgandy.   Floor speedster floor mats worked great too. The engine bay is much longer, about a foot atleast.  Compartment ends right at the end of the exaust tips. So easy for the subaru or 911 engines. It is 4 inch square tube chassis mounted to vw pan so quite strong and heat flows through that. Plenty of room behind the grill fo a good size bolt in radiator or airconditioning to be put in. The 356 speedster car covers work really well and tight.  I did take out the single port 1300 and installed a new 2180 i had laying around for the sterlings to get 3x the HP.

Either hump type looks great for me.  I would like to buy one, rent one to mold  @fibermanufactering,  (local company who has done great work since fiberfab sold last year) or buy the mold itself. Cash or trade for tons of vw and speester stuff i have. The list is endless....  Oh will definately pay a finders fee...

Thanks for the support!  As far as i can tell, except outer body everything is identical to 356.  I have a new top and drop in side curtain from vintage speedsters, in burgandy.   Floor speedster floor mats worked great too. The engine bay is much longer, about a foot atleast.  Compartment ends right at the end of the exaust tips. So easy for the subaru or 911 engines. It is 4 inch square tube chassis mounted to vw pan so quite strong and heat flows through that. Plenty of room behind the grill fo a good size bolt in radiator or airconditioning to be put in. The 356 speedster car covers work really well and tight.  I did take out the single port 1300 and installed a new 2180 i had laying around for the sterlings to get 3x the HP.

Interesting Blog by guy that worked for CMC in the era. He says the 359 uses thicker fiberglass than 356 shells.  Hence, heaviest shell CMC produced.  Engine bay was made to fit larger, more powerful engine to compensate.

https://classickitcars.wordpress.com/about/

https://classickitcars.wordpress.com/

Check this CMC mod - bonding 356 body parts to a 911 to create a 959.

And a 959 Targa conversion.

Yes I have seen 2 of those for sale In the last year. Just couldn't afford to sell my house for them, the mantaince, and the insurance.. wish I could....

And of my fiberfab I cannot thank you enough for posting the info about it! It answers questions I have of it.  I did not think CMC and fiberfab were ever partners. If you did do build work on it, I thank you for my saving midlife crisis car.

I say this because if you look at my face page I am severely handycapped and had half my skull removed all summer due to a MC  accident  in 2012. The red mg td  fiberfab is 2 months after that.  You may not notice but also have a bar down the left leg. All it takes is a positive Attitude!  I sold it and a sterling to buy the Porsche 359.

So thank you for posting the links. It was and is great support..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry 6 months

Way to stay positive!

@unofun I have great respect for your fortitude and positive outlook! 

"Welcome to The Madness"! 

MusbJim posted:

@unofun I have great respect for your fortitude and positive outlook! 

"Welcome to The Madness"! 

Me too. You sir, are the man.

Hello, new to this forum. I must say I was surprised to see my Black 959 Speedster here on these pages. Yes, it's the one up top from Thunder Bay, ON. I was lucky to buy out the owner and purchase the other 50 percent of the car so it's all mine now. He purchased the car from Peter's Porsche Shop in New York. Peter the owner built the car which he imported from Florida as a partially built project car. The car is special since it was originally outfitted with a Porsche 3.6 litre engine and the G50, 5 speed transmission. It was built on a custom tubular chassis with roll cage for Autocross and Club racing. It uses unequal length front wishbone suspension similar to the real 959. It also utilizes Carrera Coil over shocks in the front with rack and pinion steering and Carrera gas pressurized coil over shocks in the rear. Braking is four wheel disc all around from the Porsche 914. The 359 body kit was an interesting one offered in the late years of CMC's existence with only some 200 or so made. It was twice the price of the other Speedster kits. They tried to combine newer style and offer some newer technical possibilities by increasing the wheelbase of the 356 to that of the actual 959. The wheelbase is 89.5 inches same as the 959 as mentioned which is also the same as the 930 Turbo. They also offered a much wider track similar to the wide body 911 and 959 which was a real departure from the original 356. CMC used the Styling of the 959 Speedster like that used by Becker. Becker was a German tuner who produced a real Porsche 959 Speedster when a Porsche race driver happened to roll an original 959 on the Autobon. They cut the crushed roof off that car and modified it to be a Speedster. Others modified Porsche 911's to Speedsters using Porsche parts from the 3.2 Speedster car and available aftermarket 959 body kits. CMC figured that they had the right Speedster Center section after all the new 3.2 911 Speedster was styled after the old 356 Speedster so why not extend the wheelbase and track to 959 dimensions and make their own kit car with 959 style front and rear. The advantages were great for performance since the increased dimensions allowed for the use of larger more powerful engines including the 3.6 litre Porsche six offering better handling and stability. The fiberglass work was of very high quality and most cars like mine were built with a perimeter frame to support the long tail so cracking is not a problem if one followed the builders recommendations. I think that CMC went out of business and many were sold as partially built kits so some took shortcuts building them which is too bad. The previous owner bought my car for its 3.6 Porsche engine and transmission to put it in another Porsche 911 Carrera. I am not such a rich man so I did the work myself to install a 914 Porsche 2.0 litre engine that I bored and stroked to 2.2 litres with twin 40 Weber IDF carbs. I also installed a VW 4 speed transmission. So can't wait for summer. I will post some more pics when I figure out how that works!

 

 

 

unofun posted:

Thanks for the support!  As far as i can tell, except outer body everything is identical to 356.  I have a new top and drop in side curtain from vintage speedsters, in burgandy.   Floor speedster floor mats worked great too. The engine bay is much longer, about a foot atleast.  Compartment ends right at the end of the exaust tips. So easy for the subaru or 911 engines. It is 4 inch square tube chassis mounted to vw pan so quite strong and heat flows through that. Plenty of room behind the grill fo a good size bolt in radiator or airconditioning to be put in. The 356 speedster car covers work really well and tight.  I did take out the single port 1300 and installed a new 2180 i had laying around for the sterlings to get 3x the HP.

Except that the 359 track and wheelbase are like that of the real 959. The wheelbase is 89.5 inches long which is exactly the same as the original 959.

WOLFGANG posted:

$18k - its been on SAMBA for a while now - there is another thread here on it. They are very rare - probably only one in Canada!  I think I'm only one on SOC that likes them. The front is especially nice with the flat head lights.  CMC called it a 359.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/cl...etail.php?id=2149350

Hey, that's my car! I bought out the owner and it's all mine now! I had a share in it for doing the work on this car to rebuild it. Surprised to see it here! Happy Join! So I'm a new member here! Lol

Clark,

Welcome to the site.  New members are almost always accepted as they are, warts, feathers, and all.  However, when a new member starts with accusations of rip off, animosities may result.

You seem to be saying that websites, such as SOC, rip off pictures and comment on them.  You may be confused about ownership of pictures and content on internet sites.  The pictures in question are marked as being on the Samba site.  Perhaps you have an ownership interest in Samba.  If not, then you don't own Samba pictures, even in you own the car shown in the picture.  Fair Use doctrine would not likely prohibit one car site from posting pics from another site, but that's a decision that involves those two parties, SOC and Samba, not you.

No one on here wants to bust your juevos rancheros, so maybe you want a mulligan, eh?  It's really not all that hard to get along on this site.

Welcome new guy with a cool car and an interesting history.

Jim Kelly posted:

Clark,

Welcome to the site.  New members are almost always accepted as they are, warts, feathers, and all.  However, when a new member starts with accusations of rip off, animosities may result.

You seem to be saying that websites, such as SOC, rip off pictures and comment on them.  You may be confused about ownership of pictures and content on internet sites.  The pictures in question are marked as being on the Samba site.  Perhaps you have an ownership interest in Samba.  If not, then you don't own Samba pictures, even in you own the car shown in the picture.  Fair Use doctrine would not likely prohibit one car site from posting pics from another site, but that's a decision that involves those two parties, SOC and Samba, not you.

No one on here wants to bust your juevos rancheros, so maybe you want a mulligan, eh?  It's really not all that hard to get along on this site.

Jim, So sorry to start out on the wrong foot on my first day! I was surprised to see my car there being commented on and some being negative. I apologize for saying that. I sure would like a mulligan and to start again fresh!

<div>Thank you for the updates on the forum.  I Do not often comment but my pictures are only from my cameras unless noted. I may have been wrong on the wheel base as i have never checked. Sorry about that. It does have the california smog exempt sticker on it. </div><div>Thank you for your support!</div><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon ASUS tablet

unofun posted:

<div>Thank you for the updates on the forum.  I Do not often comment but my pictures are only from my cameras unless noted. I may have been wrong on the wheel base as i have never checked. Sorry about that. It does have the california smog exempt sticker on it. </div><div>Thank you for your support!</div><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon ASUS tablet

Looks very nice in white! Terrific shape! What kind of engine do you have in it?