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Just bought a Speedster titled as 72 VW.  Went to the VIN inspection station to get the verification complete to title the car.

Even though the numbers match the title, I was refused verification because the car did not look like a VW and had been modified

too much.  The HP officer informed me my only recourse is to file a lawsuit against the Department of Revenue and. the Highway Patrol.  Wait for the results ( three weeks to year and a half) take the results to a judge and file for a new title.

This all took place in Kansas.  Has anyone else had this experience?  What did you do?

I can only believe this aggravation and expense is going end sales into Kansas.

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I did a Google search on "kansas vw based kit car registration"

The AI response was:

"In Kansas, VW-based kit cars that use frames from production vehicles are registered in the same way as stock vehicles, subject to the same registration and emissions regulations.
To register a vehicle in Kansas, you'll need to provide the following documents: Proof of ownership, Proof of insurance, Odometer disclosure statement, Sales tax receipt, and Payment.
If you're a new resident to Kansas and bringing a vehicle in from another state, the Kansas Highway Patrol will perform a VIN inspection before registering the vehicle.
If both owners can't appear together, the owner who can't make it can give power of attorney to someone else to apply for registration."
There is other stuff after the AI stuff that may be helpful.

Hi Dick,

Thanks for letting the group know of your personal experience.  I have not tried to register a replica in Kansas, but my experience in California will have some relevance.

Be aware that our vehicles are real anomalies.  Officials who work for the various state vehicle registration agencies will only see a limited number or replicas or none in their career.  Example: there are 35+ million vehicles registered annually in California and only 500 permits issued for vehicles like ours.  That means the average clerk at DMV has little experience in registration.

Some bureaucrats are intimidated by their lack of knowledge and the fear they will appear to be uninformed.  Others may not feel the same way and will be willing to follow the process and learn while the customer does.

Persevere!  Don't get discouraged.  I found it helpful to be polite but insistent that I will follow whatever path is necessary to accomplish my goal.  If you can get someone in power to quote you the relevant laws that apply in your case, post that data on this site and others can help you determined the best course.  Regards, Jim

Hi Dick,

Addendum to my reply below: I Googled "Cobra replica registration in Kansas", since the Cobra guys have done lots of research on the subject already.  It appears that Kansas calls our cars "specially constructed vehicles", just like California.

Lots of sites have current info from the early 2000's to 2022, so you may want to expand your search online before returning to Kansas auto registration folks.  If/when you make progress, please keep the group informed.  That's how we all learn.  Best of luck, Jim

@Dick Rousselot, as Jim said, don't get discouraged.  Be aware that rules differ from state to state, so what we tell you may not always apply.  Check your state's rules and be prepared.  It sounds like, as Jim pointed out, that Kansas has similar rules to California.  The process may be a pain but you won't have to wait a year and a half if you're prepared.

So tell us what kind of car you have (manufacturer, age, engine, etc., and we love pictures), and Welcome to the Madness!

Kansas doesn't seem to rank high in VW knowledge to me -- Calif yes.  Wonder if a type 34 or type 14 would pass as a VW? Or VW thing?

VW Karmann Ghia Typ 34 Foto & Bild | autos & zweiräder, oldtimer ...Image result for vw thing

Like others said check how other special construction vehicles get registered and try another DMV. 

Looks like a duck - quacks like a duck - walks like a duck. Must be a duck!

VW pan - VW air cooled rear engine - VW VIN.  Must be a VW!

Show them this VW Speedster photo -  Terri Knuckel's  Penny sported VOLKSWAGEN emblems on the back and inside!

Porsche 356 Speedster Replica by JPS Motorsports



Porsche 356 Speedster Replica by JPS Motorsports for sale on BaT Auctions - sold for $32,500 on May 12, 2020 (Lot #31,292) | Bring a Trailer

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The problem is the VIN inspection.   The vin number matches the title (Arizona) , but the description on the title is 1972 VW.  The lady inspector was baffled, so she called in a HP officer.  He said the VW had been modified and a new title would be required reflecting the “appearance” of the car.

That's what I went through in Massachusetts (Our DMV uses much of the same software as other states).  My Speedster was titled and registered as a '69 VW convertible which didn't look like what it actually was, so when they changed the laws and installed a watch-dog agency to oversee annual inspections here, I had to re-title and re-register as a '57 Porsche 356 Replica.   Your state may require that you title it as a "Kit Car" if they use the latest software, so ask what the differences are between a "Replica" and a "kit car" and go with what they recommend.  While the states may be different, the process (and order of steps) is about the same in just about every state (because they all share similar software).  

You first have to get it re-titled as a Replica vehicle.  This is best done by contacting your state's main/head titling office, since they will see more of these cases than a local office, and for them it should be no big deal.  It's best if you can go there in person, with phone calls as a distant second best.  Bring a few photos to help the process along.  They will have any and all DMV forms you'll need right there.

Once you have the new title, you can then approach the biggest DMV office in your area (or one recommended by the title folks) to get it registered as a replica or Special Construction Vehicle, which-ever their process allows.  Don't go to a local office as they probably have never seen a case like yours.  If both the title office and main DMV office are in the same city, then go there and get most of this done in one day.  This will also require an inspection by your state police as directed by the DMV office - They mostly look to see if it is safe and whether any stolen parts were used in the construction (which is made moot if it was built by a company like Vintage).  They will probably issue you a new VIN reflecting your new title/registration.  

Once all that is done, you'll probably need your first annual safety inspection.  If you get it titled/registered as a '57 Porsche Replica, in most states that should waive an emissions test, you get your sticker and are good to go.  I recently had to change from "Replica" to "Kit Car" in the DMV database (no new title or registration) to satisfy their most recent software changes, but other than another safety inspection, no big deal.

My case (and others) was documented on here, so do a search on my username and "Registering in Massachusetts" or something like that to see what I had to do.  

Hope this helps, and GOOD LUCK!!

I can only believe this aggravation and expense is going end sales into Kansas.

I have nothing to add, other than this -- what you are going through has always been the situation with these cars. They're difficult to title, register, and insure. I can assure you -- it won't "end Speedster or Cobra sales in Kansas". Where there's a will there's a way.

Some buyers are able to skate on a VW title and registration -- but for me, that just made every traffic stop a nail-biting experience ("Am I going to have my car impounded?", etc.). For me, the peace of mind provided by doing the thing "right" outweighs the aggravation of doing it the way "everybody else does it".

Think of this as the first test of many. How committed to this thing are you, really? If it were easy, everybody would be doing it.

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As an anecdote illustrating the different levels of knowledge between local DMV offices and the main one in the capital, here in SC back in '06 my local DMV office gave me a bunch of forms to fill out for my Beck (tube frame so no VW VIN) that had such questions as "How long is your mobile home," etc.  After several fruitless trips I called the main office in Columbia and a very helpful lady said (I'm paraphrasing here) "Yeah, the local offices have no idea of what to do for kit cars and replicas.  Go there and have them call me and I'll walk them through the process."  I did as she said and walked out with a license plate in my hand.

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@WOLFGANG posted:

Just make sure they don't register it as the current year (2024) since in most states that will require adherence to current emissions laws.  Plus many countries require imported replicas to be over 30 years old for import.  Year of pan would be preferable.

Yeah, but I know of no state that's going to do that unless you register as a 196X VW. If you live in a SEMA state, it'll be titled in the year it replicates (1957), which is obviously the best way to go (and the entire reason for SEMA laws).

If you register as a "Special Construction", you'll likely be required to title it in the year in which is was built or first titled as such. 34 states require emissions testing for cars, but the rules vary, and many states (Colorado, Idaho, Illinois, etc.) only require testing in certain (urban) areas. If you live outside these areas, it's not a big deal -- but it does make the car harder to sell down the road.

Registering as a replica or a special construction in the year of the pan is not something I think is possible.

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In Virginia emissions inspection varies from county to county and city to city. In Virginia Beach no emissions testing is required. My intermeccanica is actually 24 years old and in another year I will register it as an antique and it will require no PPT or inspection of any kind.  No way that big carbureted Type 4 would pass emissions testing. If Virginia Beach started to require emissions testing for my Spyder don’t know what I’d do. It’s a Subaru so it might pass.

@DannyP posted:

This form appears to be what you need.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...hCgPeXhPmafxQfqqI7TB

I'm quoting my own post for the benefit of @Dick Rousselot.

Download and print any documents and forms from the Kansas motor vehicle and read through them. The process could be easy or it could be hard, but follow it through and you'll get it done.

I believe there was a guy with a yellow Vintage Speedster from Kansas, he called his car Hunny. He came to Carlisle one year at least 10-15 years ago. So I'm positive a Speedster can be registered there.

As all these threads seem to devolve into what the different states require, you gotta ask yourself: What does that have to do with THIS case? This guy needs help in Kansas, and any other information from other experiences is just noise.

Except Stan's response about Montana, I know for a fact others have done that.

Hey Dick,

No particular additional wisdom or encouragement to add to that which has been offered above, but in my particular case, after FIVE visits to my local DMV here in Colorado (each time the representative asking for additional paperwork or verification - I mean, they couldn’t simply explain the requirements for it all on the FIRST visit, after all). . . . . . . I - unbelievably frustrated- headed down the road to another DMV office about 5 miles away IN THE SAME COUNTY, and was IN and OUT in about TEN MINUTES!!!

The inconsistency among our government agencies is staggering. Don’t be discouraged - just persevere. You’ll get it done!

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