Skip to main content

In the correct badging topic someone mentioned a $5 Rolex watch and it made me wonder how we would all respond to the following question.

What is the difference between owning and wearing a replica Rolex and owning and driving a replica Porsche?

I'm not exactly sure how I would respond to that question, but I know I wouldn't wear a fake Rolex.
Troy
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

I am against faking moon landings. We should never do those. Never again, I mean.
Troy, I think there's an enormous deal of money to be made faking things. Every now and again you hear about somebody going to jail for copying a patent, infringing on rights and how they got away with it for years and years -- and it almost always seems like the poseur should have had it coming.
What about the consumer, though? (I assume that's the point of the question.) If I'm happy with an ersatz car, no pedigree at all, or if I have to have the real thing ... Like so many others here, I don't think I'd have personalized an unmolested Speedster with such reckless abandon. It would compare to doing repairs on the Rolex your granddad left you -- with no education in watch-fixing. You're doomed, and the property will be worth less than the sum of its parts. In that sense, a replica Rolex would be a great learning tool -- unless the guts of the watch were from a Timex.
I actually have a Timex on my wrist right now. When it breaks, I will throw it away and buy another $35.00 watch. When my cobble-job Speedster breaks, we take it to a specialist if we can't figure out how to fix what we broke.
I don't drink diet sodas because they leave a bitter taste and aren't satisfying. I don't have to dring decaf coffee yet, because I'm not old. My wife is 100 percent natural.
Would I wear a fake Rolex while I'm driving my mutt of a car around? Maybe not. Same standard? I don't know.
Good question! All that rambling, and I don't really have a solid answer.
Ya sure don't want to buy your wife a fake Dooney & Bourke purse then - ask me how I know!

I do have a $80 I68+ SCIPhone that looks/acts like a $500 IPhone and I'm happy with that purchase (has more features and is unlocked for 2 SIMs - plus no overpriced mandatory AT&T data plan). It doesn't say Apple or IPhone on it though. It bugs me that college text books printed in Singapore are $40 while those printed in US are $240 - and they are identical content!

I am against fake Boeing parts on airplanes though! Against prescription fake medicine too.
Fake Rolex - funny you should bring that one up...

I was in Mexico years ago and a fellow offered to sell me a "rolex". Clearly it was a timex or something but to the undiscerning eye, it was a rolex.

The watch was stainless steel, worked perfectly and looked very nice. I used to call it my "Folex" (for fake rolex). Probably wore it every day for 5 or 6 years and then the battery crapped out.

I took it to a Jewelry store to have the battery replaced (they advertised $10 battery replacements). Well the jewelry store technician was a very snobbish eastern european woman...

The store is full of well-heeled customers as it is near Christmas time. As the expensively dressed crowd circulated loosely in the room, Ms. East European Watch Snob carefully examined my rflex with a jeweler's loupe (good lord)... Then she held the offending folex out in front of her like a dirty sock and VERY LOUDLY announced:

"This - not a real Rolex." in strong east european accent as she stared me down with her jeweler's loupe still in place as if to say how could I have possibly brought such a disgusting thing into her shop...

To which I replied equally LOUDLY and with over acted mock indigniation:

"WHAT? MY WATCH IS A FAKE? THAT DOES IT!!!! I WANT MY $12 BACK!"

The customers busted up laughing. The lady looked around, her face turned red, then she replaced my $12 folex watch's battery without comment.

I wound up getting about 9 years out of that folex before I lost it. It was still running and keeping good time when I misplaced it. Anybody know where I can get another Folex?

angela
FOLEX TV commercial idea...... Guy drives up to a Ritz Carleton hotel in an IM Roadster, with a big breasted, big lipped, bottle blond by his side.....Zoom to FOLEX on his tanned arm and he says.... " My whole life is a fake, why should my watch be anything else? It works for me!" Fade to car disappearing with zoom on license plate FOLEX
I can see that this thread is going to drift and I expected that, but I would really like to see what everyones thoughts are on the main topic: "What is the difference between owning and wearing a replica Rolex and owning and driving a replica Porsche?"

To Jim's answer, I'm not so sure it is so "simple." Honestly, would you wear a fake Rolex?

Maybe everyone needs to answer that question first and if the answer is yes, then tell us why.
Troy
Troy, I wear a Wenger stainless steel watch that closely resembles a Rolex Oyster. I use it to tell time. I drive an Intermeccanica Roadster thet closely resembles a 1959 Porsche 356 Conv. D. I use it to piss off Porsche People. Just kidding! I use it to enjoy driving an open car. The watch and the car are pieces of equipment. The money I saved on the fakes, I use to buy drugs. It works for me.....
Troy,
I'd love to give you an answer to this but I don't believe anyone has a good response. We drive our cars because we get pleasure from thier performance and appearance... and we are happy to tell interested parties that they are reproductions and why we like them. If you wear a fake Rolex would you talk about it being a fake? Probably not as most wear one to showoff their "class and wealth" which makes them the ultimate poseur.

I created my motorcycle with extreme detail to make it look like a Ferrari creation. Is it a fake? You bet! There is no such machine made by Ferrari yet I have many tell me "I have a buddy who got the first one in the country" and "Oh, I've seen/raced/almost bought/etc one of those last year". I just grin and let them go on with thier attempt at impressing me and everyone around them. Now THOSE are the poseurs! By the way, when I put the bike in a show I have a sign by it that calls it the "Faux-rrari" and many still don't get it. (Maybe I should hang a fake Rolex on the windscreen?)

Happy Trails,
Dusty and the Lovely Miss Sharon

Attachments

Images (1)
  • Faux-rarri bike
Good thread!

Here is a thought: Most replica speedsters (like most Cobra replicas) are better in many ways - ways that mean a lot to ME - than the originals ever were. More horsepower, more torque, better tires, disc brakes, a no-rust body, electronic ignition, killer sound system, et all. You get my drift? And I get to drive it any time I want with little concern for any depreciating road rash.

Can you say all that for a fake Rolex?
I agree with Dan. I love this car, but had to decide between a 50-year old museum piece that I'm scared to drive versus a brand new car that outperforms the original at a fraction of the cost. I'm getting mine badged with Porsche logos to continue the tribute. If someone asks, I will tell them the truth with a satisfied smile.
Will's commercial....he exits the car and valet peels out. Sashays to the entrance of the swanky hotel with the big breasted bottle blonde in tow. Sirens go off as they cross the threshold because the RFID in her inplants have tripped the sensors. Many appologies from management follow. This is the 20th time it has happened so far today and the alarm tech hasn't shown up yet. Will and date treated to a faux drink at the bar.
If my fake Rolex was made in Switzerland, and was designed by the person who also designed my real Rolex, than yes, I would wear a fake Rolex.
There is some pedigree to these cars with regard to their design and their designer (VW engine and pan based). Granted they are a tad ahead of their time in technology.
Likening a replica Speedster as a flat out fake only because it has emblems on it is a joke! Saying you're not trying to fool anyone because you don't have emblems is bullshit. If you drive one of these cars you're driving it because it looks like a frickin PORSCHE 356 SPEEDSTER and that's it. And if it isn't an original its fake, emblems or not. No one that drives one of these cars is any more or less deceitful in what message they are projecting.
Most people who drive a replica speedster or a replica spyder aren't driving them to pass them off as a "real" porsche. They simply think that the real 356 and the real spyders are stunning bits of automotive art and they want one but can't afford the real one.

So, like a lithograph of a favorite painting, they buy a fake. They wanted something beautiful, so they bought the version they could afford.

My folex? I just wanted a decent looking ladies watch that kept good time. That it was a rebodied timex didn't bother me in the least.

angela
Upon leaving the Ritz later that day and much the worse for wear and tear, Will and his date encounter carjackers at a stop light in Laguna Beach. Since Will was too busy looking at the gigantic plastic boobs, he failed to react in time when the carjackers sawzalled off his FOLEX, grabbed his date, Silicon Valley, and left him in the PCH with the IM. But this story has a happy ending. Silicon Valley had been trying to break into the entertainment industry, and when the video that the carjackers made with her later that night showed up on YouTube, she became an instant star, and Will got a big settlement in a products liability case from Rolex for endangering his life. Even though he never actually owned a Rolex in his life. Is this a great country, or what?
Wow this is fun.....;-)

I have to agree with John Leader. If you have a reproduction and it is badged to look like the real thing then IMHO deep down you are trying to fool everyone, and rightly so except for the person that asks you "Is it real"? How you answer the question is what really matters.

I'm new to this group but know a lot of the people here and I'm trying to feel my way around. I just sold both my real 356 Porsche's because after a 5 1/2 year love hate relationship restoring my 1960 Sunroof Coupe I had a beautiful 356 Porsche but it was NOT the car I wanted. I wanted a "Hot Rod" I can have fun with when I started the project. The ultimate hot rod for me is a IM-6 built to my specs.

Any of these cars are NOT IMHO fakes because they are a "real car".

That said they are replicas/reproductions of one of the most iconic cars ever. Mine will look as close to a 1959 GT Carrera Speedster as I can get but I will have a better car with better power, brakes, and a few creature comforts that a real 1959 GT would never have. The car will proudly wear Intermeccanica badges because that is what it is. A real Intermeccanica custom built to my specs.

Angela I love the "Folex" story.
My watch is a Rolex and not a Folex. My old speedster in the other hand was a replica one (a good fake one but still a fake one). In the eyes of the Rolex crowd I am legit and honest person that means no harm but in the eyes of the Porsche crowd I am dishonest and liar. So,what am I?
Heck, for the money I invested on my old speedster I could have bought a real Porsche...a 911, but I didn't. You decide.
The whole discussion strikes me as disingenuous from the onset, as the comparison of a fake watch and a replica speedster is purely apples/oranges, at least from my present perspective.

A fake Rolex exists for no other reason than to mislead people, and doesn't fulfill any role that a thousand other time-pieces don't do just as well. They don't look better than my Casio and they don't keep better time than my Casio.

My Intermeccanica is a unique vehicle, which meets my desires uniquely. Yeah, it has an iconic shape... which happens to be drop-dead gorgeous- but otherwise, it's its own machine.

10 years ago, I was in the market for a convertible. The thing is, I'm a Luddite at heart- and EFI equipped OBMII compatible, mass produced cars, regardless of how cool- leave me completely flat. I own a 540I with a 6 speed- a perfect car in every way, and something I think of as an extremely nice appliance. For MY car (the one I love), I wanted something I could tinker with, and improve, and make my own. I happened on a Kit Car magazine with a speedster on the cover, and it was love at first sight.

I bought a car on ebay to see how I liked it, and found that the car suited me perfectly- beautiful, unique, fun, and something I was able to work on. I did the usual stuff to that car, and decided to have a "better" one built. It was at this point that I lost sight of my original goals, and got lost in pursuit of "replica authenticity", which is an oxymoron if ever there was one. My 2002 JPS was beautiful, and not any more usable than my first car. It brought me less joy than my "mutt" had, and I felt like a poser with all the "Porsche" badging all over it. I even went so far as to title it as a Porsche through a shady title company recommended on this site. That car was a disaster, because I had lost sight of what it was I was after in the first place- a pure, unique driving experience... cut a little closer to the bone.

In 2005, I had Henry build me a "coach" speedster, to which I added my own running gear. The car itself is exactly what I was originally after- simple, well built, and pure. I have had an enormous amount of fun adding all manner of non-original, but exceedingly cool stuff to the car. Everything I do to the car is to embrace what my idea of the perfect car is like, not what was original in 1958. If I had it to do again, I'd incorporate 911 running gear- but only because I think it would enhance the driving experience, not because the parts are any more or less "original".

My Intermeccanica looks like a Porsche 356, but isn't one- a fact I went to great lengths to make as clear as possible. I've got no Porsche badges, and Intermeccanica crests and scripts, and builders badges all over the car. It's legally titled as an Intermeccanica. When people ask what it is, I tell them it's a Speedster, and they are happy.

The purpose of all the hand wringing and angst really confuse me. Do you really care so much what other people think? If you like the car, then I think it's great if you embrace what it is: a car in it's own right. If you need Porsche badges to feel good about it- that's OK, but it seems to me that it just muddies the waters.

I would not want a car like my speedster for a daily driver I was depending on to get me back and forth to work every day- but I'd also hate to try to find the joy and adventure I get every time I go out in my car driving a 20XX 370Z/Corvette/Boxter/911. I've got very little interest in a car I can't work on, and can't drive at 25% of it's potential.

I've got what I want. If I wanted a car I needed to park and look at to enjoy, and obsess over the correctness of the date codes stamped on my wheels- I'd buy an original. If I wanted a great car I had to pay somebody to work on, and drive 100 mph to enjoy, I'd buy a Corvette.

As it is, I think my car is perfect. It's not a fake by any objective definition. I'll not make it one with badges that don't belong.
Post Content
×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×