Absolutely hilarious!!!!
Intermeccanica, JPS, Vintage, etc...... I don't give a crap if you've got a custom built titanium chassis with an F'ing Ferrari engine in it, any car that is moulded to LOOK like a 356 but ISN'T is a FAKE!!!! Get over yourselves with this badging crap. You drive an "iconic shaped" car. Do you really think that if someone comes across your car with no badge, an IM, badge, or a "custom built by me" badge, they don't know what they're looking at? On the off chance someone doesn't know what they're looking at what do you think they'll say "Oh my, that certainly is a nice looking Intermeccanica you have there. What model is it?" Half the world who knows anything about cars knows these things are kits, same way they know the Cobras are.
If anyone of you can honestly say you own the car, or were attracted to the car for any other reason than it looked like a 356 than you're kidding yourself. And as I said before, if it ain't real, it's fake.
Look, we all drive our cars for OUR own reasons. Some of us can afford a real one, some of us have real ones, some of us don't and never will. I have a Rolex, I have a Porsche, and I have a FAKE SPEEDSTER!!!! So what if it has badges on it. I guess I could always put a Volkwagen/CB Performance/IM/CMC badge on my car to make sure there's no confusion. God forbid I try to mislead someone into thinking they've seen a real Porsche.
"Most people who drive a replica speedster or a replica spyder aren't driving them to pass them off as a "real" porsche. They simply think that the real 356 and the real spyders are stunning bits of automotive art and they want one but can't afford the real one."
My thoughts exactly. As someone else said, I could have bought a 911 for considerably less money. My favourite Porsches are the pre 73 911 and the 356 Speedster. I can afford neither, so I have an authentic looking replica.
My thoughts exactly. As someone else said, I could have bought a 911 for considerably less money. My favourite Porsches are the pre 73 911 and the 356 Speedster. I can afford neither, so I have an authentic looking replica.
Mickey-
I couldn't care less what somebody else thinks. But the fact is, less than 5% of the people in my part of the world would have any clue what a 356 is unless you showed them a bunch of pictures and gave them a 15 minute history lesson, so it isn't a fake anything to them.... or to me. "Porsche" fake or otherwise, never enters into the equation unless I tack a bunch of badges all over what is otherwise judged in it's own right.
I couldn't care less what somebody else thinks. But the fact is, less than 5% of the people in my part of the world would have any clue what a 356 is unless you showed them a bunch of pictures and gave them a 15 minute history lesson, so it isn't a fake anything to them.... or to me. "Porsche" fake or otherwise, never enters into the equation unless I tack a bunch of badges all over what is otherwise judged in it's own right.
HEY MICKEY MIGHT I REMIND YOU
WE ALL OWN A REAL PORSCHE AND A FAKE ONE IN CALIF :)
AINT THAT RIGHT VINCE
WE ALL OWN A REAL PORSCHE AND A FAKE ONE IN CALIF :)
AINT THAT RIGHT VINCE
So, Mickey...you have a real Rolex?
If you show up at Morro Bay the drinks are on you.
If you show up at Morro Bay the drinks are on you.
Mickey
Let me guess what Rolex you got. You got a Sub or Gmt. Am I right?
Let me guess what Rolex you got. You got a Sub or Gmt. Am I right?
Nah Lambros, those Subs are too big for my skinny little wrists.
I got a kiiler deal on one from a friend of mine that used to play on the ladies tour. She was tight with someone from Rolex and she got me one reallllly cheap. I think it's an Air King? Simple. Understated. Nothing exceptional looking.
So no Terry, I'm not rich, but I'll buy you a drink anyway. Hell, if I were rich I'd have a brand new Intermeccanica. ;)
Oh, and thats enough out of you Gerd! You guys are gonna be screwed when I move out there and bring all my east coast crap with me. ;)
I got a kiiler deal on one from a friend of mine that used to play on the ladies tour. She was tight with someone from Rolex and she got me one reallllly cheap. I think it's an Air King? Simple. Understated. Nothing exceptional looking.
So no Terry, I'm not rich, but I'll buy you a drink anyway. Hell, if I were rich I'd have a brand new Intermeccanica. ;)
Oh, and thats enough out of you Gerd! You guys are gonna be screwed when I move out there and bring all my east coast crap with me. ;)
The wife and I both have real Rolexes that sit in the drawer because the Seikos keep better time. I know the Rolex is supposed to be perfect, but even with regular 300.00 tune ups it just is not so. The 35 year old Seiko still keeps perfect time and asks only for a battery every few years.
Paradoxically enough I live in the land of Folexes and most people that see a real Rolex automatically assume it is a fake.
Same with the cars. The fake will run just fine if not better, and since there is only 1 real garage queen in the country, everyone will assume that mine are fakes. Judge the car on its own merit - a great car in its own right, fun, reliable, updated brakes and suspension, rust free; badges not withstanding, it is a tribute to a great car.
Paradoxically enough I live in the land of Folexes and most people that see a real Rolex automatically assume it is a fake.
Same with the cars. The fake will run just fine if not better, and since there is only 1 real garage queen in the country, everyone will assume that mine are fakes. Judge the car on its own merit - a great car in its own right, fun, reliable, updated brakes and suspension, rust free; badges not withstanding, it is a tribute to a great car.
Is this about time? My 15 year old $39 pocket watch keeps perfect time ... unless I let the battery run down.
O.K. SOMEBODY's got to say it....
...it takes a licking but keeps on ticking...
Vince, the floor is yours...
...it takes a licking but keeps on ticking...
Vince, the floor is yours...
VINCE
HEAR THAT MICKEY IS BRINGING ALL HIS EAST COAST CRAP
FIRST EAST COAST GUY THAT ADMITS ITS ALL CRAP BACK THERE ;)
HEAR THAT MICKEY IS BRINGING ALL HIS EAST COAST CRAP
FIRST EAST COAST GUY THAT ADMITS ITS ALL CRAP BACK THERE ;)
I bought a Breitling in Baghdad, in the basement of the al Rashid Hotel from a vendor.
I had it checked out in Annapolis when I got back; turns out it is real ($150.00 well-spent) and had been shipped to Kuwait in 1989.
I'm guessing the original owner is dead.
Cool watch, though. Keeps great time. I wear it at the firehouse because it has a sweep second hand and is easy to see at night. Very important when you're taking patient vitals.
I had it checked out in Annapolis when I got back; turns out it is real ($150.00 well-spent) and had been shipped to Kuwait in 1989.
I'm guessing the original owner is dead.
Cool watch, though. Keeps great time. I wear it at the firehouse because it has a sweep second hand and is easy to see at night. Very important when you're taking patient vitals.
Mickey,
Fake is such a negative,unsavory, and harsh term to describe our beloved cars. A more appropriate palletable designation,please! I like, "it's a tribute to an icon of automotive history". "It's real yeh,you can see it and touch it can't ya"? At very least they are replicas of a Porsche 356. But fake!! Heck,ebay has 124 listings for Porsche Replica and only 1 for Fake Porsche! Wake up and smell the coffee!! They are real to whoever deems them as such! I won't be swayed in my dillusional thinking,so STOP trying to convince me it isn't real!! Gotta go. My "Rolex Recreation" needs to be dropped off at the jewelers for a tune-up!
You comin this way anytime soon? Oct 1-4 the SVRA closes out the season here at the NJMP.
Fake is such a negative,unsavory, and harsh term to describe our beloved cars. A more appropriate palletable designation,please! I like, "it's a tribute to an icon of automotive history". "It's real yeh,you can see it and touch it can't ya"? At very least they are replicas of a Porsche 356. But fake!! Heck,ebay has 124 listings for Porsche Replica and only 1 for Fake Porsche! Wake up and smell the coffee!! They are real to whoever deems them as such! I won't be swayed in my dillusional thinking,so STOP trying to convince me it isn't real!! Gotta go. My "Rolex Recreation" needs to be dropped off at the jewelers for a tune-up!
You comin this way anytime soon? Oct 1-4 the SVRA closes out the season here at the NJMP.
OK. Now that I have read the 51 previous posts, I need to respond to my own question, which I really didn't have a good answer to until now.
I think that David "crzntub" Klipfel's post was the simplest response and made the most sense to me. It even caused me to do a 180 on my orginal statement that "I know I would not wear a fake Rolex."
David said:
"Here is a thought: Most replica speedsters (like most Cobra replicas) are better in many ways - ways that mean a lot to ME - than the originals ever were. More horsepower, more torque, better tires, disc brakes, a no-rust body, electronic ignition, killer sound system, et all. You get my drift? And I get to drive it any time I want with little concern for any depreciating road rash.
Can you say all that for a fake Rolex?"
I would wear a fake/replica Rolex if it was as good or better than an orginal and that is why I am willing to drive a fake/replica Porsche. My Speedster is much better than the orginal 356, which I used to own. Case closed for me. Thanks for all the responses.
I think that David "crzntub" Klipfel's post was the simplest response and made the most sense to me. It even caused me to do a 180 on my orginal statement that "I know I would not wear a fake Rolex."
David said:
"Here is a thought: Most replica speedsters (like most Cobra replicas) are better in many ways - ways that mean a lot to ME - than the originals ever were. More horsepower, more torque, better tires, disc brakes, a no-rust body, electronic ignition, killer sound system, et all. You get my drift? And I get to drive it any time I want with little concern for any depreciating road rash.
Can you say all that for a fake Rolex?"
I would wear a fake/replica Rolex if it was as good or better than an orginal and that is why I am willing to drive a fake/replica Porsche. My Speedster is much better than the orginal 356, which I used to own. Case closed for me. Thanks for all the responses.
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Hey Allan! Yeah, I'll be around alot over the next month!!! I was there sunday for the AMA, I'll be heading up for the Ferrari Challenge and the week after that I'm running my kart on Thunderbolt!! I also plan to head up for the SVRA, I think my buddy is running his Lotus that weekend.
To all - I know these cars are recreations, or tributes if you will. I also agree the term "fake" is harsh (not that I'm uncomfortable with the term. Hell, my plate says it all), but when someone tries to split hairs with regard to what they are based on an emblem, or who built it and how, then it gets under my skin. I don't care why someone drives whatever kind of car, it's their car. You can justify it anyway you want, what ever helps you sleep at night, what do I care. Personally I drive mine because I love the look of the 356 Speedster and it was an affordable alternative.
Bottom line is if you say you enjoy the "better handling, reliability, brakes, power, etc...." aspect of the car than why not buy something else like a Miata or an old Ghia or whatever? If you can work on a car you can work on a car, there are other options that don't look like a 356 Speedster. Anyone who drives one of these drives it because it looks like a 356 Speedster otherwise they'd drive something better, no?
To all - I know these cars are recreations, or tributes if you will. I also agree the term "fake" is harsh (not that I'm uncomfortable with the term. Hell, my plate says it all), but when someone tries to split hairs with regard to what they are based on an emblem, or who built it and how, then it gets under my skin. I don't care why someone drives whatever kind of car, it's their car. You can justify it anyway you want, what ever helps you sleep at night, what do I care. Personally I drive mine because I love the look of the 356 Speedster and it was an affordable alternative.
Bottom line is if you say you enjoy the "better handling, reliability, brakes, power, etc...." aspect of the car than why not buy something else like a Miata or an old Ghia or whatever? If you can work on a car you can work on a car, there are other options that don't look like a 356 Speedster. Anyone who drives one of these drives it because it looks like a 356 Speedster otherwise they'd drive something better, no?
The real irony for me is that I fell in love with a replica. My first exposure to a speedster was through the movies, "48 Hours", "Top Gun","Doc Hollywood", etc.
I didn't know that they were replicas, I just like the lines.
Now that I've decided to buy a replica and have researched the topic, I discovered that I was looking a replicas all along.
In fact, as I understand it, the 48 Hours and Top Gun cars were the SAME car.
Go figure.
I didn't know that they were replicas, I just like the lines.
Now that I've decided to buy a replica and have researched the topic, I discovered that I was looking a replicas all along.
In fact, as I understand it, the 48 Hours and Top Gun cars were the SAME car.
Go figure.
So, the only thing I learned by this thread, is that I think Troy's speedster is one of the best I have ever seen....but then I already knew that, so I guess I didn't learn $hit from this thread...
Vince I know you like Super Wide Bodies, look at how happy you are when you ride O'l Debbie.
I bought an old '58 coupe when I was in school in the late 60's. Just about everything that could go wrong did. Hood flew up at 70mph, belt broke and overheated a valve,passanger door flew open on a curve and I just grabbed my girfriend in time before she would have flown out, pan rusted out to the point where I had a 2X4 bracing the drivers seat and looking down at the pavement as I drove.I was dirt poor and couldn't properly maintain the car. Even with all that, it was the most fun I ever had driving a car.
I didn't want to experience the same litany of maintenance by buying a used 356 now that I can afford a toy. I'd rather have a replica that has all the modifications I wished my first one had and enjoy the hell out of it without worrying what will go wrong next.And , as most of you here probably agree, I could care less what any real Porsche owner thinks. I'm not out to please them, only me.
I didn't want to experience the same litany of maintenance by buying a used 356 now that I can afford a toy. I'd rather have a replica that has all the modifications I wished my first one had and enjoy the hell out of it without worrying what will go wrong next.And , as most of you here probably agree, I could care less what any real Porsche owner thinks. I'm not out to please them, only me.
My first encounter with a fake Rolex involved the head salesman at the glass tempering plant I worked for, and his wife. The salesman picked up 6 "replicas" and gave them to the Pres., Vice Pres., Controler, Plant manager, Human resources manager, and a client from a business co-owned by the same parent company that owned us.
Two weeks later, the executive officers of the parent organization attended a planning session at our plant, along with our client.
After returning to their home office, the president and vp were summoned there, along with the client. It seems that ALL THOSE SHINY NEW ROLEXES did not go un noticed, and an explanation of why additional funding was needed if things were obviously so profitable.
Salesman took a big hit on that one.
But his biggest hit came when his wife took her defunct Rolex in for repair and the agency would not honor their stated warranty. It seems Rolex would not replace the dead battery, as they had never made a ladies watch using one. OUCH!!!!
Two weeks later, the executive officers of the parent organization attended a planning session at our plant, along with our client.
After returning to their home office, the president and vp were summoned there, along with the client. It seems that ALL THOSE SHINY NEW ROLEXES did not go un noticed, and an explanation of why additional funding was needed if things were obviously so profitable.
Salesman took a big hit on that one.
But his biggest hit came when his wife took her defunct Rolex in for repair and the agency would not honor their stated warranty. It seems Rolex would not replace the dead battery, as they had never made a ladies watch using one. OUCH!!!!
Vince,
You should know by now when it comes to this crap I can't let it go. :)
But you're right, this topic comes up every so often and it's the same, "Emblems, IM is a hand-built car and not a replica, better technology, blah, blah, blah," crap and nothing ever comes of it.
I just couldn't resist. :)
You should know by now when it comes to this crap I can't let it go. :)
But you're right, this topic comes up every so often and it's the same, "Emblems, IM is a hand-built car and not a replica, better technology, blah, blah, blah," crap and nothing ever comes of it.
I just couldn't resist. :)
I can not comprehend why people buy a watch that cost more than my car..and I mean my speedster.......I haven't worn a watch since I bought my first cell phone, which by the way keeps perfect time..
Come to think about it, there are other things I can't comprehend, like how Carol can sleep with Gerd, or how I am about to get in a boat skippered by a Mexican with a pineapple on his head...
Oh the Humanity...
Come to think about it, there are other things I can't comprehend, like how Carol can sleep with Gerd, or how I am about to get in a boat skippered by a Mexican with a pineapple on his head...
Oh the Humanity...
This is usually results into a reaction like throwing gasoline on a lit crack pipe, and I can't believe no one else has said it yet,so here goes.... "POSER"
I have to agree with the Horns. I use my cell phone to tell time and I wear a watch that cost 30 bucks because my wife bought it for me. Otherwise, I am not much into jewelry. As for the statements made about "I wish I was driving a real 356" That
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"why not buy something else like a Miata"
Already have 2 of those :-)
I agree with Marty above. Even if I had the money, I'd never buy a real Speedster. I'd have my replica and a garage full of other stuff I currently don't have. Like an Alfa GTA replica and a Jag XKSS or C-type replica. :-)
Already have 2 of those :-)
I agree with Marty above. Even if I had the money, I'd never buy a real Speedster. I'd have my replica and a garage full of other stuff I currently don't have. Like an Alfa GTA replica and a Jag XKSS or C-type replica. :-)
Vince, Jim is NOT a Mexican, he's French.....
Don't bring knives to a gunfight...
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Jim is not french he is german like me
Hey vince I laughed my ass off with your last post and I needed a good laugh
Hey vince I laughed my ass off with your last post and I needed a good laugh
I thought Jim was Dutch. ;)
I'm not sure where we got on the "owning a real 356 vs a replica" thing, but I'm with Marty as well on that. If I had the kind of money it takes to buy a real one I sure as hell wouldn't rickety old tub. I'd buy something kick ass fast and track it.
My philosphy has always been to drive whatever I have. I can afford to buy alot of cars, but I can't afford to have them. Well, not the way I drive them. It's never the initial investment, it's the upkeep. I could buy a Ferrari 308 tomorrow, but I'd be screwed the second it needed any work done to it.
You guys out on the left coast don't all have Ferraris too do you? ;)
I'm not sure where we got on the "owning a real 356 vs a replica" thing, but I'm with Marty as well on that. If I had the kind of money it takes to buy a real one I sure as hell wouldn't rickety old tub. I'd buy something kick ass fast and track it.
My philosphy has always been to drive whatever I have. I can afford to buy alot of cars, but I can't afford to have them. Well, not the way I drive them. It's never the initial investment, it's the upkeep. I could buy a Ferrari 308 tomorrow, but I'd be screwed the second it needed any work done to it.
You guys out on the left coast don't all have Ferraris too do you? ;)
mickey, yes we have most of them and if you are buying,,
today is half price day(50% off)
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today is half price day(50% off)
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Mickey
Vince jim jennifer warren and myself all own one
We just don't like to mention them on a speedster site
Check out the ferry site :)
Vince jim jennifer warren and myself all own one
We just don't like to mention them on a speedster site
Check out the ferry site :)
As the owner of four different replicas, here's why I drive them. I've tried to buy replicas that drive and look as close to the originals as possible so that I can have the driving experience of the originals. My Porsche mechanic says the only difference between mine and an original, from a driving perspective, is how mine handles over railroad tracks (and he loves the fact that he can safely put it on the hoist). Owning a fake Rolex doesn't reproduce the Rolex "telling time experience" since there isn't one. That experience is about having it on your wrist. The same w/b true if you only showed your Speedster and didn't drive it. I love driving my Speedster and hate being around people with it when its standing still; I'm tired of answering the question, "Is it fake?" It is, but the ride isn't.
So, it sounds like it comes down to this: a decent Rolex "reproduction" and a decent 356 "reproduction" serve exactly the same purpose -- good times.
Steve is going to have the tatoo on his back made into an emblem. That will be what he puts on the two speedsters he builds.
The script on the side will say "Fakester"
This appeals to me on many levels - LOL!
angela
The script on the side will say "Fakester"
This appeals to me on many levels - LOL!
angela
Angela, have a decal made of the Steve tattoo.
I say, who cares what time it is? Sun is out, Spyder is ready, see ya! Time to go for a drive.
Stupid questions/sarcastic answers:
Q: Is it real? A:It's sitting there, isn't it?
Q: Is that one of them kits? A: And what are you driving?
Q: What year is it? 2009 last time I checked!
Stupid questions/sarcastic answers:
Q: Is it real? A:It's sitting there, isn't it?
Q: Is that one of them kits? A: And what are you driving?
Q: What year is it? 2009 last time I checked!
OK, I am very late to the party, as usual, and would have been in sooner except this thing has really grown legs. Someone touched a deep nerve here, and reading all the posts has taken some time. Anywho . . . Dan Walsh is pretty close here, I'd say. His story about an old coupe ( I had a '56 A) is all too familiar. A mechanics nightmare, but way cool to drive -- I loved that car. So the Speedster: You buy it to drive it. But hey, there are lots of exceptionally cool cars to drive that are not Speedsters, so there is more here. I'll call it the marque. The cars' styling is unique and captivating and of course classic, so we pay homage to that aesthetic creation in the only way most of us can. We get a replica because we can afford it and we can then behold the classic design for what it is. I have said before that the replica Speedsters are the car that Dr. Porsche would have made, if he could have. In this sense, the concept has been imporoved, IMHO, and none better than than that done at IM. And so what of the proposed fake Rolex analogy? Well, there is some overlap here, which you will have to admit if you are honest. The Rolex "experience" is a snobby sort of thing. You show it off not because it is such a pretty watch (I think many of them are rather ugly, actually) but simply because it is a Rolex and is so fabulously overpriced. You are strutting your stuff, advertising that you have money to burn. Some people like doing that by faking it. To each his own. There is some of that tied up w/ a Speedster that says Porsche on it. Porsche is a luxury logo, and showing one off is a statement that you own that luxury. And I'll admit that I don't mind that aspect. It is not the reason I have one, but it is part of the "experience". I think the best counter to the whole "fake" thing was the guy here (don;t know who that is/was) who used "Volkswagen" insignia on his Speedster where "Porsche" would have been. That would be dealing a little more honestly. Overall, I do not mind the charade, I know it is a charade, and I'm OK w/ that. The car is exceptionally cool and fun to drive and did not cost me >$100K. It takes me back to my younger days and the two coupes I owned, and so what? That is fun too. The car is gorgeous and turns heads all the time. What's not to like??
Here is a mind game I propose to you. What if some day in the NTDF, let's say next year, some genius at the REAL Porsche factory in Germany discovers how many replica Speedsters there actually are, and how many people are actually making them, and how dismal Boxter sales have been lately, and so gets an idea that he can dust off the old blue prints and start making Speedsters, just like the ones the Co. sold in 1957? All welded up steel unibody, flat four (air or water cooled, either way) rear engined, new engine tech'y, FI, 5 spd trannies, IRS, disk brakes, and all the running gear according to what is done these days. Further, let's suppose that the wizzards at the factory could actually do this and sell them for around $30K, which BTW, I bet they could. Would you dump your replica and go get one of these? Because it would then be "real"? For damn sure, when someone asked you "What year is it." You'd have to say "2010". Think about it.
Here is a mind game I propose to you. What if some day in the NTDF, let's say next year, some genius at the REAL Porsche factory in Germany discovers how many replica Speedsters there actually are, and how many people are actually making them, and how dismal Boxter sales have been lately, and so gets an idea that he can dust off the old blue prints and start making Speedsters, just like the ones the Co. sold in 1957? All welded up steel unibody, flat four (air or water cooled, either way) rear engined, new engine tech'y, FI, 5 spd trannies, IRS, disk brakes, and all the running gear according to what is done these days. Further, let's suppose that the wizzards at the factory could actually do this and sell them for around $30K, which BTW, I bet they could. Would you dump your replica and go get one of these? Because it would then be "real"? For damn sure, when someone asked you "What year is it." You'd have to say "2010". Think about it.
Kelly has the right idea and the right attitude about it. Really, who cares? Most turn up their nose at a"replica" because they are snobs and are jealous, NOT because they understand mechanics and/or the history of the car.
I enjoy having my Speedster replicate the original in as many details as possible. I do this because I am a magician and illusion is fun and entertaining. When I levitate something or make it disappear I do not expect anyone to believe in "real magic". It is an illusion and gives the observer some excitement and pleasure. The same is true of our cars. If they are interested in replicas I will tell them and help them, perhaps, acquire their own. If they want their picture next to a "high dollar classic" to show their friends why would I burst their bubble? Perhaps this whole thread shows how many Speedster owners are a little unsettled about their "illusion" and how it is presented.
Review Kelly's posting. It is pretty clear.
Happy Trails,
Dusty and the LMS
I enjoy having my Speedster replicate the original in as many details as possible. I do this because I am a magician and illusion is fun and entertaining. When I levitate something or make it disappear I do not expect anyone to believe in "real magic". It is an illusion and gives the observer some excitement and pleasure. The same is true of our cars. If they are interested in replicas I will tell them and help them, perhaps, acquire their own. If they want their picture next to a "high dollar classic" to show their friends why would I burst their bubble? Perhaps this whole thread shows how many Speedster owners are a little unsettled about their "illusion" and how it is presented.
Review Kelly's posting. It is pretty clear.
Happy Trails,
Dusty and the LMS
A wise man once said...
"...replica ownership is sorta like breast implants. (1) Most everybody knows they're not real (2) yet they're still nice to look at (3) and they're way more fun than the originals"
...I'm just saying...
"...replica ownership is sorta like breast implants. (1) Most everybody knows they're not real (2) yet they're still nice to look at (3) and they're way more fun than the originals"
...I'm just saying...