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OK, so trip number two to LA is now history and for what it's worth I wanted to share some small bits with y'all.

As a recap last year's trip was marred with mechanical mishaps which led to a lot of out-of-pocket costs and inconvenience, unnesscessarily long waits for repairs by the builder and some well-documented name-calling & chest-pounding on this forum.

This year's adventure got underway without a hitch. Dale, Jim, Terry, Henry and myself hit the highway Thursday A.M. and I dare say the average speed was probably in excess of 70MPH early on.

Temps were in the high 60's and the skies were clear. We took some freeways and some secondary backroads. As the day pressed on the pace picked up.

While I could launch into a big Charles Corault (sp?)I'm only going to address my engine's performance. The average oil temp was 220. I wasn't running my auxilary oil cooler as it didn't seem neccessary. Late in the afternoon I switched it on to see what would happen. The temp appeared to drop about 10 degrees.

The head temps never waivered, 340 all the way.

My oil pressure was a reassuring 60 lbs most of the week. On the way home the oil filler cap sheared itself apart and I saw a drop in oil pressure, to about 30 lbs. I pulled off and played the duct-tape game and did a roadside fix. This is an interesting anomoly as it is the second cap to bite the dust; the original one was stripped and wouldn't stay on and then there was a little brass 90 degree elbow that sheared itself off but never separated itself from the engine, just sort of flapped, occasionally flexing the pressure up or down...

The 48 IDA carbs & linkage are still a bit vexing. In the inaugural run it came to light they were both defective, one set screw stripped beyond usefulness and bedeviling accelerator pumps faulty, creating a binding affect that trashed the remaining linkage.

This year, there was a pedal 'resistance' that created kind of a 'kink' in that when I decided to punch it, the pedal would sort not go down at first, then snap free of itself and be fine. Odd.
They still need fine-tuning...one little soldier just can't stay in step with his buddies.

With the variety of roadways, driving opportunities and such, the 2615 got between 19 and 23 MPG. I was running 91 octane with a bottle per tank of over-the-counter octane booster.

I remain enthralled with the Type4 power plant and it also remains no secret I do not recommend its builder.

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OK, so trip number two to LA is now history and for what it's worth I wanted to share some small bits with y'all.

As a recap last year's trip was marred with mechanical mishaps which led to a lot of out-of-pocket costs and inconvenience, unnesscessarily long waits for repairs by the builder and some well-documented name-calling & chest-pounding on this forum.

This year's adventure got underway without a hitch. Dale, Jim, Terry, Henry and myself hit the highway Thursday A.M. and I dare say the average speed was probably in excess of 70MPH early on.

Temps were in the high 60's and the skies were clear. We took some freeways and some secondary backroads. As the day pressed on the pace picked up.

While I could launch into a big Charles Corault (sp?)I'm only going to address my engine's performance. The average oil temp was 220. I wasn't running my auxilary oil cooler as it didn't seem neccessary. Late in the afternoon I switched it on to see what would happen. The temp appeared to drop about 10 degrees.

The head temps never waivered, 340 all the way.

My oil pressure was a reassuring 60 lbs most of the week. On the way home the oil filler cap sheared itself apart and I saw a drop in oil pressure, to about 30 lbs. I pulled off and played the duct-tape game and did a roadside fix. This is an interesting anomoly as it is the second cap to bite the dust; the original one was stripped and wouldn't stay on and then there was a little brass 90 degree elbow that sheared itself off but never separated itself from the engine, just sort of flapped, occasionally flexing the pressure up or down...

The 48 IDA carbs & linkage are still a bit vexing. In the inaugural run it came to light they were both defective, one set screw stripped beyond usefulness and bedeviling accelerator pumps faulty, creating a binding affect that trashed the remaining linkage.

This year, there was a pedal 'resistance' that created kind of a 'kink' in that when I decided to punch it, the pedal would sort not go down at first, then snap free of itself and be fine. Odd.
They still need fine-tuning...one little soldier just can't stay in step with his buddies.

With the variety of roadways, driving opportunities and such, the 2615 got between 19 and 23 MPG. I was running 91 octane with a bottle per tank of over-the-counter octane booster.

I remain enthralled with the Type4 power plant and it also remains no secret I do not recommend its builder.
Isn't the only thing that would build up high pressures in the crank case caused by bad rings or worn pistons - called blow by? If it were that wouln't compression be lower than it should and power would be down too? I guess just movement of parts causes pressure but it shouldn't be that great. Or does fact it was "sheared off" mean vibration caused it? I had my 914 crank case vented into the tops of the Weber carb air filters - I didn't get any super charger benefits.
Was your oil filler cap plastic? Mine is black plastic (seems pretty cheesy) and I have worried everytime that I screwed it back on that I might accidentally overtighten it and cause the cap to break out along the flow lines of the molded plastic cap. If yours was plastic, maybe I'll upgrade to metal right away.
Yeah,black plastic = cheesy. Guess I didn't buy the big bucks option afterall! C.B.Performance billet coming up.

We will be (like I'm turning a wrench!) disconnecting the oil related goodies and running tests Wednesday. There are a few possible culprits. Ancillary in nature, there is a little switch in the filter mechanism. There is the pre-oiler and equalizing unit and there is the auxillary oil cooler, which I seldon run.

My bet is on the engine's oil pump but I hope I'm wrong. Odd that the pressure fall off is sort of in the mid-power range. Maybe it's the extra weight of all the dead bugs I collected at the opposite end of the car...amazing where the little critters gather! I put the top back down and they came fluttering down out of the canvas fold where it meets the windshield bow...
You were almost impossible to find throughout the weekend and your voicemail kept picking up so I figured you were off doing elitist pig things. Is that a shitty hunk of highway or what?

Semis, PU trucks, SUVs and Rvs should be assessed an additional road tax for the damage they cause with their ground-pounding bullshit vehicles and cowboy driving habits and mentality...and then banished to some other route.

Guess it takes a day to wind down...
I kept getting your voice mail too. I hope for many more driving ops, and lunch next week? Perhaps we can get a 3 or 4 car group to the campout in June!

The cars, pick-ups, and SUVs would drive past the line backed up in the left lane while everyone is waiting to pass the 18 wheeler and then cut into the line with little or no room! Bastards! and then the truckers pulling out in front of you while you are moving up to pass them, and then they SLOWWWWLLLY pass the truck they pulled out to pass.
On an engine that large you definitely need adequate crankase ventilation or pressures can get pretty high. Do you have the valve covers and crankase vented to a breather box?

Oil temps of 220 F at highway cruise are not too high but are definitely getting up there, as are cyl head temps of 340 F. I think you may have cooling issues that need to be addressed.

The pressure drop definitely needs investigation - Check pump, high pressure bypass, etc., and send off an engine oil sample for analysis (check for main/rod bearing metal). Pre-Oiler check valve may have picked up a piece of crud that doesn't allow it to seat under engine running conditions.
Hey George,

One thing I've learned through the three engine builds thus far is that each will have its own unique 'signature' and that includes running temps. A lot of giga-memory is wasted on this forum with concerns that 'this and that' aren't just so or as posted elsewhere or projected by this guru or that one...

Consistency, continuity, reliability.

My engine thus far is consistently powerful, continues to amaze me and now I'm fine-tuning reliability. Those temps I posted may be hot for some other engines, but they are what the backwoods boy ordained as OK for this 'artful' build.

Now, if I sucked a cat or a bird into those big carbs or a hat or sumpthin' hopefully, they'll come to our attention tomorrow and their removal and proper disposal will be the solution to this fluctuating oil pressure adventure my engine is vexing me with!

Man, the money I've dumped into this engine on after-the-fact junk, I coulda bought a good back-up Type1 2110!

P.S. Those temps were based on pretty consistent RPMs of 3800 or about 85+/- MPH
Paul's temps are absolutely normal for a TIV.

The stock 2.0 914 ran an average of 350 head temp with absolutely zero modifications and made 1/2 as much power as Paul's engine, and would live at that temp for 150K no sweat. The engine temps are absolutely in the "safe" zone- no doubt.

I consider 220 a solid temp for oil, I don't get concerned until it hits 230+. Pauls pistons are over 4" in diameter so typically one would expect to see temps higher than these simply due to that. For paulk to be only running the stock TIV cooler in my shroud and no external with an engine this big with plenty of compression is incredible and better than normal based on my findings from other engines the size of his.

Even though Paul is not pleased with "Me" am I happy that he is at least somewhat pleased with the engine I created and it's power, reliability and temps.

So many times when people have a hard time with something, like Paul did for quite a while they get totally disgruntled with the entire project and are never happy, not even remotely...

For the Type IV to help Paul overlook the bad (with me)and appreciate the performance says a lot about the engine- If you ask me.

I'm glad its running good for you Paul and I'm glad that this years trip to Knotts was better than last.
...yeah and all it would take is a big enough man to say I (we) made a mistake, polished some walls too thin, set you up with faulty carbs, stripped the linkage in the assembly and included a Taiwaan pulley assembly (contrary to your pontifications in the big engine binder) which was destined for the scrap pile...and oh yeah, took nearly five months to git your heads back to ya (twice)...my bad.

Oh and here's the money you're out cuz I stand behind what I build.

Right, when elitist pigs can fly. Wait, that don't work Bill and Jim can fly. Huh, oh, I musta dosed off and was dreamin'
That was weird.
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I didn't make my post to start a war here. I refuse to let this "situation" create another wild tangent like it did last year.

Paul has his side of the story and I have mine and nothing is going to change either of those, make them any better or make the bad dream go away for either of us.

I saw the post and wanted to throw my two cents in on the temperatures and thats all, you guys can argue all you want but I'm done beating this horse.
...I resent you looking for an opportunity to push your product any further down our throats,particularly on any thread I originate!

You advertise at the top of the page. Some folks reveer your every bowel movement. I however, have seen you for what you are.

The magic in the engine you built for me has been outweighed with oversight, inconvenience and poor , no make that non-existant customer service.

Only one side that counts when you gaze into a mirror.



Paul,
I did not look at this post as a way to push a product.

You mentioned that "Some folks reveer your every bowel movement" and that is typically because they are generally very happy with what I create for them or they like the part that I sell to them- It has been very hard to earn. I try my best to retain this through flexability and fairness and have only had a very *few* instances where I could not meet those expectations, this being one of them and the most critical to date.

You also mentioned "I however, have seen you for what you are" and thats just not correct. It is simply your perception of me after an ordeal that was negative and impacted by outside influence with another manufacturer.(now I see that you have purchased another part from that manufacturer for the engine and done so recently- Makes me wonder) I reacted to the situation the same way it was presented to me and I still do the same today.

As I said my goal was not to start a huge pissing contest on this thread. Because neither of us own this forum I don't think it's fair for us to bother those browsing here with our own personal and business related deficiencies, if they want to see the entire saga as it unfolded they can look back over those posts from last year without wasting any more bandwidth- It's only fair.

The most informative of those posts can be found here
www.speedsterowners.com/forum/anythinggoesreadmsg.asp?t=5015




Whew, sure is a lot of animosity here. I thought this died last year.
I am very pleased with my recent type IV rebuild for my 914. I abused it autcrossing this last Sunday and it just seems to run cooler and get better, it's exceeded all my expectations-no BS. I've never had a type I that performed as well and have recommended the type IV to others. My experience with Jake has been very favorable. I did have to send the heads back to be reworked but that was because that they had been cut once before. Actually, they came to me directly from the machine shop and Jake never got a chance to inspect them!
Anytime you build a performance engine that's going to be used hard there is the increased possibility of breakage. That's the cost of power in any motor.
I'm looking forward to building another as soon as I can find the right car, looking for a 912E.
Fred
Thank you Fred.

The experience you have had with myself was very typical. While assembling the engine kit and doing one of my checks you found a flaw, you took the responsibility of the engine assembler and treated it with the respect it deserves. You didn't argue, cuss or whine- you simply shipped the head back to Len, he repaired the odd flaw and sent it back, all the while you were patient and treated the situation (any it's creator) like a mature person would.

I am glad that your RAT engine kit is meeting your expectations and that you are one of my loyal customers/friends and I look forward to supplying you with another engine or engine kit when the time comes. Thank you for your patience and courtesy during the head repair- and thank god for those little tricks that you used to identify the head issue before the engine was ever fired up, or even assembled :-)
The type IV is the final evolution of the AC flat-4 and has benefited from years of aircooled engineering experience. You've taken the guesswork out of appreciating its' enormous potential. I've enjoyed putting it together and am having an even a better time making it sing.
Paul, if your tired of messing with Jake's motor I have a fresh 2275 type 1 (94x84) that I was saving for my coupe project--wanna make a trade? You can keep the 48s, I'm going to FI.;)
No thanks Fred. I can't imagine any Type1 worth near as much as my engine, even with its wartzzz! Well,'cept maybe ol' GB's engine. You want a Type4, get a vanilla 2260 max. He seems to get those right. Type4 good; Jake, eh...'nuff said.

My next project will be F.I. Porsche-fied and hopefully by then my current engine will have all the bugs worked out of it to be sold either with or without a speedster and closer to value:
AND WITH A CLEAR CONSCIENCE.

As for my 48's, I wouldn't wish them on anyone in their current state of tune. I'm thinking about having them made into coffin handles because I'm really going to be buried in them with yet another rebuild!

Thanks Ron, I think???
The recent foibles are history.

Oil pressure problem:
After taking all the ancillary equipment off and running with and without all the combinations, we still got 'fade'. On a whim we added another quart of oil and bam, right back to 60 lbs.The dipstick needed to be remarked to allow for another quart of oil.

Carbs:
More hokum. They are just so damn big they suck all sorts of little bitty shit in, but in the final analysis, the little pre-flow function was fucked up on one side. The best way to characterize this is there is a little drip-pipe thingie that dribbles a minute amount of gas into each carb throat just before fuel flow kicks in. One side was not dribbling the same as the other. Why? Who knows, lousy Quality Control at the manufacture source.

Compression anomoly:
Most likely a bit of carbon (see above) gyrated on through and caused a disturbance in my galaxy. Carbs sync'd, actually sort of idle and are now performing better than a hundred dollar whore.
(let's see, a hundred dollar whore, twenty-seven visits= $2,700.00 + fun factor??? Nope, these carbs are still not worth it!)

This is where a guy never recoups his investment when it is time to turn a relicar. I have a gazillion dollars in the engine. Ho Hum.
Poor Stan has a half a gazillion in a hardtop. Where's justice?
Paul, I don't know if you remember me posting a few years ago about my new motor seizing. I had my 1776 rebuilt into a fairly strong 2110, by a local VW drag racer, who built engines/trannies on the side. He boasted that he'd never had an engine failure (sound familar?). Three hundred miles after the rebuild...boom. Luckily, it seized while my builder was test driving it. Still, he looked for reasons to blame me for the engine seizing. In the end WE took the motor apart (I wanted to be there) and it turned out he set the rear bearings too tight. He rebuilt the motor and we have not spoken since (which is okay by me). Unfortunately, there was a sealing problem with one cylinder. I couldn't figure out if it was leaking at the block or at the head. Interestly enough the problem went away (usually) when the engine warmed up. Sometimes the car ran great, and other times it ran like a can of worms. The poorly running motor was the last straw. I had poured a large amount of money into the car and it still wasn't right. My frustration led me to sell the car. I suppose I could have pulled the motor again, stripped it down to the short block and put in new 90.5 pistons and barrels (the builder had reused my old 90.5 pistons and barrels, but they were for a 69mm crank, not an 82mm crank, which I now had), but I just lost interest in the car.
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