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@R Thorpe posted:

I am trying to recreate the Speedster experience where a small lightweight car trounced more powerful rivals, where shifts were slow and deliberate, where you could hear your surroundings as you drove on two lane roads. No freeways no burning rubber no 10 MPG. A lost age, too bad I say.

If this is truly what you want, Richard, then you definitely have the wrong engine, probably the wrong transaxle and shifter, and maybe the wrong car. You can get what you're after, but not with a 2232.

If you want to replicate the lazy vibe of puttering around in a worn-out speedster, perhaps a nice single-port 1600 with some well set-up Kadrons and an Ahnendorp exhaust matched to a stock transaxle with a 3.88 R/P would be a better fit for you. You might want to swap out any disc brakes you have for drums as well.

Choking the exhaust and taking away the full-flow system and cooler is definitely going to make a 2332 run too hot in the summer, but maybe part of the ethos is to just drive on days when the temperature is between 60 and 70 degrees? An easy trip, with your happy little lawnmower engine burbling along, the car all wide white-walls and over-riders, gliding through bucolic scenery (bonus points if you're in Tuscany) with a wicker picnic basket, a jug of wine, and a winsome lass in a pleated skirt in your right seat?

Perhaps what you are really pining for is the memory of a car from an age when you were in your prime. I don't know if it works like this for you, but for me - the reality of most of those kinds of memories was nowhere nearly as romantic as my recollection of events. "Reality" was a ton of work, and no small amount of walking to the nearest tools/parts. What you are describing sounds pretty much like torture, and everything even the most hardcore retro-grouches among us (like yours truly) would find excessively "rustic".

Most of the time, "more" is just "more". You do you, Richard, but I gotta' say - I'm with @Former Member on this - I've never heard of someone pining for less power, a hotter running engine, and sloppier shifts, either.

Any way you can put the biggest Vintage Speedster can you can find on it and call it good?

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I think 60 hp ish gets really boring really fast.  Hence all those VW beetle and KGhia, Thing, Type II bus etc etc while really nice are not able to keep up with daily traffic flow and you have to be patient, something that for me is not easy to do...After a while they are garage queens more often than not as they don't go far for a reason.  If you live in hill country 60 hp, will feel very Fred Flinstone ish going up hill.

But Stan is right, you can try it and if you don't like it you can join the UpA Grade club very easily as a lot on the list have done and be at 2332 faster than you think.  

Ah yes of course, then there is El Guapo, who can explain better than most, how to make it to 100K Miles with a Daily Driver with just a bit more power  

I'll second that: MUSBJIM has the take-it-easy, laid back SoCal Cruisn' thing down pat.  If you need a model, be Jim.  I had a '56 1600 normal 356A for many years. two cute solexes mounted. Daily driver. Aside from all the rust on the body, the mechanicals were properly done, and the car went along just fine. Coast to coast and back in the late '60s, a religious 30 mpg, cruised the highways just fine.  That said, I really liked my '61 356 B S90 much better; also my DD.  And now I have a 2332 Speedster Replica. Full disclosure: the Speedster is my toy car, it is not by any means a daily driver.  And really, its all about torque, its what you feel coming out of a tight turn, or getting off the line.  And those big cans in the 2332 deliver a lot of torque. As a wise man once said: you can't have too much torque.  HP is how fast you hit the wall; torque is how far you move it afterwards.

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@El Frazoo posted:
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...I had a '56 1600 normal 356A for many years... and the car went along just fine...

...Coast to coast and back in the late '60s, a religious 30 mpg, cruised the highways just fine...



I think a lot of our memories of driving back in the good old days are tempered by fuzzy memories of what driving conditions were like back then.

I did a coast to coast drive in 1967 on Route 66 - not for nostalgic reasons, but because it was one of the most efficient ways to go. It was still two-lane almost all the way and cruising speeds were mostly around 65 mph.

The interstate system wasn't really completed until the late '70s or so. And, lest we forget, from 1974 until the late '80s, we were blessed with the double-nickel national speed limit. For that whole time, my 'safe speed' (what you could go without having to constantly stare into the rearview for smokey) was 62 mph.

Roads and cars were just a lot slower then. Honda Civics got over 40 mpg with no computer assist because they were really light, but also really slow. People bought them by the billions even though 0-60 was like 12 or 14 seconds.

In that traffic, a 356 with the 'normal' engine could more than keep up.

I've watched quite a few YouTube videos of modern car dudes driving old Porshees for the first time and loving them (I posted one here last week), but they always add "of course, I wouldn't drive it on the freeway today".

My Speedy, with almost twice the grunt of the original, can merge into freeway traffic when asked to and mix it up OK, but it's still not my first choice for an all-day slog down The Five.

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My god. This thread took a turn.

No matter how much power you put in your plastic clown car, you take your life in your hands every time you ride out into the countryside on public roads. Whether its a stoner in a Corolla, a teenager texting in mom's minivan, or a hammerhead in his F-250 who looks up at the green light and goes, having forgotten you're right in front of him (and thus invisible 'neath the horizon of his oh-so-macho four-story grill). It could happen to any of us.

To live is to risk.

PS, she got 12 years.

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@edsnova posted:

My god. This thread took a turn.

No matter how much power you put in your plastic clown car, you take your life in your hands every time you ride out into the countryside on public roads. Whether its a stoner in a Corolla, a teenager texting in mom's minivan, or a hammerhead in his F-250 who looks up at the green light and goes, having forgotten you're right in front of him (and thus invisible 'neath the horizon of his oh-so-macho four-story grill). It could happen to any of us.

To live is to risk.

PS, she got 12 years.

Ed, are you telling my story? Your anti-truck bias is showing.

Incident #1

In the spring of 2006, I was on my way to drop off my date at her house, in my first Spyder. I pulled up to a light, in the left turn lane. I was waiting for the green arrow. I was trying NOT to drive like a hooligan, so took a second to pull away slow. Behind me was an older F150(Year 2000 or so), not a modern squared-off 250, the kind with a downward-sloped and curving hood. The problem was a) the driver was sitting in the "full YO" position trying to drive from the back seat of his extra cab and b) I think he honestly forgot I was there and c) was possibly impaired IMHO but not ticketed. He didn't hit me when pulling up to the red light, so he knew I was there. Light went green and bump. I yelled, then bump AGAIN as he clearly could not see me. I still can't figure out why he wasn't ticketed(maybe knew the officer?) but he ran into me, I wasn't there long. He forgot and was aggressive pulling away. It was a pretty light couple of taps, cracked rear clamshell, paint chips, and a bent hinge.

Incident #2

Ten years later I was merging onto an interstate when I was cut off by an Infiniti QX-65 large SUV. He never even saw me in his mirrors, I'm quite sure he either never looked or they weren't adjusted to clown-car height. In either case, he never even slowed down as I careened into a guardrail at 65. Luckily, I'm still here. Car got destroyed, but hey, I got another one.

As the Sergeant said every day on "Hill St. Blues": "Be careful out there"

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@Sacto Mitch posted:

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Pretty ghastly story. More here.

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Hyun Jeong Choi, 36, was convicted in January of gross vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated and DUI causing injury for the March 27, 2016, crash that killed 43-year-old Amanda Walzer and left her fiance, Jon Warshawsky, with a traumatic brain injury.

Choi had also been charged with second-degree murder for the crash, but jurors deadlocked on that count. Choi agreed to accept a stipulated 11- year, eight-month sentence and waive her appellate rights to avoid a retrial on the murder count, which would have triggered an additional 15-years-to-life term had she been convicted.

Times of San Diego  March 22, 2019

OK, gotta get in the pool with everyone else.  Only a close call to report; so far nothing has required bodywork or ambulances. And its not really Speedy driving, but Speedy towing. Approaching Carlisle a few years ago for the annual pilgrimage, experimenting for the first time with flat towing. Tooling along in the right lane down I81(?) nearly there, when a big rig comes swooping down the on-ramp just to my right WAY too fast.  Said ramp has a very long merge lane, but that did not come in to play.  I'm supposing the gal driving (yes, a gal) was going too fast to turn sharp enough to stay in that merge lane.  I dunno, it all happened pretty fast. So I see her coming down the ramp and coming over. I'm in a Subie Outback with the Speedstrer in flat tow.  Sudden applications of steering and or brakes are not recommended at 60+ mph, nor very effective.  Other cars all around, espy to the left and behind for two or maybe three lanes.  Fortunately, fellow just off my left side sees all and skootches to his left a bit as do others, perhaps,  Ends up we all have just enough room  to keep going straight with the f-ing semi just under control and very close to my right, which is why I know it was a gal driving.   Over in a blink. And a quick wave of thanks to the alert driver to my left.

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