SAS !!!

Plus, He asked me to go on this site and say the ISSUE HAD BEEN RESOLVED. It takes nerve to be that arrogant when it comes to being a so called speciality builder!!!!

"Resolved all but THREE GRAND"  

Stevie....

Why should anyone loose 3 large ? ...Pay Roger, you owe him !

$3,000 PLUS interest I think what is really owed. Until then, it is "NOT resolved."

Gary

The cycle continues.  Fortunately for Roger, he is closer to being made whole.  Of course, the new buyer, who actually put up the $10K down payment that was used to pay Roger, has his money used to pay off one more unsatisfied customer.  You couldn't make this kind of stuff up!  

In the past 18 months, I have been contacted on this site by PM by 3 guys in the SAS queue, none of whom are  even listed as customers in the only unofficial queue that's available to SAS customers, i.e., a list put together by me and another customer in the queue.  That list shows 21 or 22 customers.  The unfortunate truth is that no one except Steve Lawing knows how many people have put up deposits, and he's not talking.

There may be 50 or 100 or more customers who have paid deposits and are waiting for delivery.  The guys who are numbers 1 & 2 on the list are now in their 9th year of waiting.  That's not a typo.  They joined the queue in Oct. & Nov. 2007.

I saw an SAS Paid Advertisement up this AM on SOC - thought (hoped) his ads were long gone.  At first I thought it was a new version of WHACK A MOLE but I couldn't find the big mallet or START button.

Glad to hear it, Roger! And don't quit now; he still owes you $3,000 + interest.

Yes, it has been quit a negative experience. I just wish his word was good
and he knew how to run a business. Its ironic he has a good product by when
it comes to business sense its not there. He stated that most of the people
that complain about him on this site don't have a dog in the fight! In one
statement he said he didn't pay any attention to what was said on here but
he did call me the next day after not answering my emails or phone calls
for months. Never again will I try to order a custom built car plus I
should have researched his company and background record. BUYERS BEWARE!!!

Roger

One bad apple does not define the entire custom built car business.  There are plenty of great vendors such as IM and Beck that build great cars and also provide great customer service.  I talked to Steve before I bought my IM.  He almost had me drinking the Koolaid.  He's a great talker and sent me a contract for a fantastic car for a great price.  Told me the car would be delivered in a year.  Glad I had this site as a resource.  But I love my IM and I would also have Carey at Beck build me a car in a heartbeat.  Don't give up.  You'll miss a lot of fun.

Jim Kelly posted:

The cycle continues.  Fortunately for Roger, he is closer to being made whole.  Of course, the new buyer, who actually put up the $10K down payment that was used to pay Roger, has his money used to pay off one more unsatisfied customer.  You couldn't make this kind of stuff up!  

In the past 18 months, I have been contacted on this site by PM by 3 guys in the SAS queue, none of whom are  even listed as customers in the only unofficial queue that's available to SAS customers, i.e., a list put together by me and another customer in the queue.  That list shows 21 or 22 customers.  The unfortunate truth is that no one except Steve Lawing knows how many people have put up deposits, and he's not talking.

There may be 50 or 100 or more customers who have paid deposits and are waiting for delivery.  The guys who are numbers 1 & 2 on the list are now in their 9th year of waiting.  That's not a typo.  They joined the queue in Oct. & Nov. 2007.

Isn't that the definition of a Ponzi scheme?

Whack a Mole game -

 

Isn't that the definition of a Ponzi scheme?

Yes.  Just like Social Security. 

Social Security got robbed .....period.

10/3/15 I applied at a local SS office here and had my first retirement SSI direct deposit in just two (2) days~

True story....my late Mom, SSI deposits on the 1st of the month. She passed away on the 2nd of the month. On the 3rd of the month SS had already reversed the deposit !!

I'll just keep harping on the same old song: get rid of the ads for this scoundrel.  The SOC should have nothing to do with promoting his enterprise. Period.  Note: I can't find any overt ads here (that's progress), but the promo that Greg posted above still shows up under the Makers tab.  He's gotta go.

art posted:

True story....my late Mom, SSI deposits on the 1st of the month. She passed away on the 2nd of the month. On the 3rd of the month SS had already reversed the deposit !!

Yup - I was shocked at how fast they did that when my folks passed. I wish the gov was that efficient when it comes to dolling out welfare money to hypes, meth addicts, and alcoholics.

Banks, SS and DMV have people that ( seriously) scan O Bit's every AM......

You should be intitled to the payment if she passed after the date of issue. 

Vince, Jimmy and I are going into the replica car build. Please send $500.00 for your deposit. Vince already has the glue and Jimmy has the spray paint. You will have a replica model within 2 weeks. We also will include a glass case for your replica model.

GERD posted:

Vince, Jimmy and I are going into the replica car build. Please send $500.00 for your deposit. Vince already has the glue and Jimmy has the spray paint. You will have a replica model within 2 weeks. We also will include a glass case for your replica model.

Somehow, I thought you'd be the one with the glue Gerd.

GERD posted:

Vince, Jimmy and I are going into the replica car build. Please send $500.00 for your deposit. Vince already has the glue and Jimmy has the spray paint. You will have a replica model within 2 weeks. We also will include a glass case for your replica model.

Theron, this must be another bug.

It looks like the site displays normal text even if the caps lock is down.

 

I wonder how the capital got on THERON...

FYI, I CAN HOLD THE SHIFT KEY, or LOCK THE KEYBOARD with CAPLOCKS, AND IT WORKS FOR ME. On a Mac with safari. 

It was a joke, Ray. Gerd has never posted before without using his cap-lock key.

BAAAAAAA.... you guys are good, you got me on that one... lol

I have no clue as to what you guys are talking about.

Miatas. We're talking about Miatas.

Pink Miatas...

Hey, I like Miatas

The next guy who makes fun of them is going to get a visit from me, and when I get there I'm going to hit him with my purse....which I got on sale for an awesome price.....

Goes like this:

1. It seems to be (correct me if I am wrong) that based on a legion of reports from SAS customers and perusal of the public record, that Mr. Lawing conducts his business in a manner that leaves many of his customers less than pleased (ironic understatement) with him and his company.

2. Some customers voice support for SAS , but it seems (again, correct me if I am wrong) that the satisfied are greatly outnumbered by the dissatisfied.

3. This site seems to be the preeminent place for replica speedster enthusiasts to gather and discuss various aspects of the hobby, making it a superior marketing venue for makers of these cars. The site has value to those wanting to sell to the relatively small number of people who are in the hobby or want to be in the hobby.

4. Many of us are what amounts to sustaining members of this site through our annual membership dues (Supporting Members).

5. Most, however, do not financially support the site, but participate in utilizing it for various reasons.

6. It takes money to keep this enterprise going. 

7. SAS advertises on the site to the chagrin of many of us, both paying and non-paying users. It is reasonable to assume that Lawings investment in the advertising placement here is contributing to his ability to continue to operate his business as usual.

8. Perhaps an increase in the number of Supporting Members, those who pay for the site, could offset the revenue realized from SAS advertising on the site, making it unnecessary for the site to continue to act as an advertising platform for Lawing and SAS.

Just a thought.........carry on.

 

 

One Miata I'd like to drive is owned by a guy from Loveland, CO. It looks pretty much like any other mid-'90's blue Miata, has some custom rims on it, nice re-done leather interior....BUUUTT!...it is powered by a Grand National V-6 w/paddle shift 6-spd trans narrowed late model Corvette rearend, sits on a custom built tubular SS frame, Corvette steering and 4 wheel discs. I'd really like to meet up with the owner some day and really look over that car!

I've seen the guy on the road a couple of times and when he was leaving a couple events last summer...that Miata is damn fast. I followed him for awhile in the Cobra on a road full of a lot of twisties leaving an event in Ft Collins last summer and had a hard time staying with him. His car is like it is on rails, very little if any body lean and did I mention FAST!...wow!

For those more knowledgeable on law- are there legal implications for the owner of a website refusing the advertising money of a vendor he previously accepted money from? Maybe Theron knows something we don't? 

I still think the best course of action is conversations such as this...

 

Al, this is America.

There are legal implications for anyone who pisses off anyone else.

 

 

Bob G said it pretty well:

Good websites aren't cheap to operate but the people who use them can be. If no one wants to see SAS advertise here then the members need to make sure it can sustain itself without advertising revenue. 

Theron took a poll concerning SAS and advertising. A few people responded and the decision was to mark the ads as "Paid Advertisement".

If someone is considering buying a car from SAS and they Google anything about SAS they will find this site. If they come to this site and after reading everything on here they decide to still buy an SAS vehicle they should ask three questions:

When did you deliver your last car? How long did that person wait for their car? How many people are currently waiting for a car?

And if after asking those three questions they still give SAS their money then the age old adage of "A fool and his money are soon parted." holds true.

GERD posted:

I have no clue as to what you guys are talking about.

That's no different than it ever is for you Gerd.  Check out this emoji.  When did you pose for that Gerd?  

Government regulation of commercial speech is extremely limited.  Publishing entities, such as newspapers and websites, have the right to refuse to publish any content and/or advertising they wish.  The reasons for accepting or cancelling advertising can be unreasonable and/or capricious, and the government will usually not get involved.  A narrow exception can exist for facts that are not at issue here, such as Title 9 exclusions if the company accepts federal funds, or the reasons for accepting/rejecting are race-based.  Contracts between individuals and publishing companies can have state and federal implications, due to Interstate Commerce Clause concerns.  This has been black letter law for almost 50 years.  

Thank you Jim... your professional insight is always informative !                                          ( Glad you don't bill us :~)

Jim, are you still practicing law out there in Fiji, or are you retired? Ray

Ray, I like to think of Fiji as a laid back tropical paradise with no contentious legal problems and no need for practicing lawyers!

Wasn't it Fiji that the English crewmen who didn't want to participate in the Bounty Mutiny were stranded until eventually 'rescued'?...Hell, most of them didn't want to be found!!!

Fiji is one of the many countries in which a US-based legal education offers no advantage, since Fiji law evolved from the British occupation of almost 100 years, and is based on English common law, much like NZ, AU, etc.  US law has some relationship to British law, since English common law was the precedent for much of our civil law, but the systems have major differences.  Local barristers and solicitors still wear the black cloak and wig ala Rumpole of the Bailey.

My wife, daughter, and I sold everything in the US, and moved to Fiji almost 15 years ago.  We built a small eco-resort and dive shop from scratch.  We have now been in business for 10 years.

Troy, I do believe that is Vince.