scat long block

Easier to move to FL where it's nice and flat.  Sure oil cooler and sump will work.  It depends on what size valves are in your head - they probably won't be large enough plus you'll most likely need larger diameter heat exchangers and exhaust - if all these were moved from the 1776cc prior.  Same with cam.  

Thanks. Where the car sits right now , it is a show winner.  Great for weekend car shows, cars and coffee and brunch. Probably leave it, sell it at some point and get another car. I am so far over $40k + hours and hours of free labor... well at some point the madness needs to stop. :-)

Just an idea. And learning.

Cool looking engine tho.

Thanks  Ed!!!

I like it too. And honestly it runs pretty dang great. Just thought could get a long block and add 50hp. Of course nothing is that easy, and I have 2 other cars that I am bringing around. S o ... it is what it is.  :-)

I seem to recall seeing a lot of negative stuff about the Bergman 911 thing.

As Ed said, the heads will probably limit the power output of anything much bigger than what you have now. If they have stock size (35x32 mm) valves they're probably very close to their limit now and increasing displacement, while giving kick*ss bottom end and lower midrange, will not make appreciably more upper/top end power and you'll find the engine runs out of breath 500 or 1,000 (depending on how big you actually go) rpm less than what the engine revs to now.

Your engine right now makes power to 5500? 6,000 rpm? For a 22-2300 cc engine to make power in that rpm range you'll be able to keep the camshaft (the cam tells the engine how high to spin), but the heads will have to flow substantially more, which will take bigger valves and some port work (slightly higher ratio rockers, 1 step bigger exhaust and maybe even bigger carbs may also be needed to complete the combo). Now you'll find that 40-50 (maybe even 60) hp increase (as well as the huge bottom end/lower midrange torque) you're looking for. 

Power is in the heads- you can't put small heads on a bigger engine and expect bigger power!

Hope this helps. Al 

Thanks Al. I assumed all that, but it is nice to have it so well explained. I am going to enjoy what I have, which is not bad.  :-)

(Honestly after doing all the math , etc... seems getting a turnkey engine from Pat is the costly way to go.)

Michael, I have heard both good and bad about Bergman's fan. But seems there were others making it too. It certainly looks nice when you open the engine lid. With a bigger engine - the idea I have been toying with - I'm not sure it would handle the cooling.
I saw at CB that Pat had built and engine with a 911 style fan - I wonder what he used?

"(Honestly after doing all the math , etc... seems getting a turnkey engine from Pat is the costly way to go.)"

But it's also the lowest risk way to go.

If I was ordering an engine today, I'd get it from Pat no matter what.

Kit to assemble myself: Pat.

Long block: Pat.

Turn-key dyno'ed engine: Pat.

Bergmann is half good and half Steve Lawing. You never know which one(or which parts) you're going to get. Their 911 fan kit uses a Golf alternator which is really not designed to have a big fan on it. The real Porsche fan works great on a type1 though, in my 45000 miles of experience.

Totally agree with Danny.  I got good parts from Bergman in a long block, but the assembly workmanship sucked.  (Circa 1997 - nothing much has changed except for his shop location).

I have zero experience with Scat.