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California owners:
"amnesty program will be in effect from January 1, 2010
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http://www.semasan.com/images/pdf/DF0110.pdf
California owners:
"amnesty program will be in effect from January 1, 2010
California owners:
"amnesty program will be in effect from January 1, 2010
Good article. But it still leaves a morale question:
If one has a legally smog-exempt VW chassis, and the pink slip states the vehicle is a VW, and the VIN matches the chassis - just what is our obligation to tell the state we have rather dramatically altered the original vehicle?
Smog laws are not being violated. All the state wants to do is get its money for an increased value of the vehicle worth for registration fees. One might even argue that a well restored, original VW might even be worth what many of our older speedsters are worth today. That sounds good to me.
If one has a legally smog-exempt VW chassis, and the pink slip states the vehicle is a VW, and the VIN matches the chassis - just what is our obligation to tell the state we have rather dramatically altered the original vehicle?
Smog laws are not being violated. All the state wants to do is get its money for an increased value of the vehicle worth for registration fees. One might even argue that a well restored, original VW might even be worth what many of our older speedsters are worth today. That sounds good to me.
"Last year, a law was enacted requiring the DMV to develop and administer a vehicle registration
amnesty program."
I read "law" in the noted article. One might argue that it might be good to join SEMA and work through them to get those that make the "laws" to see ones point of view.
Just saying,
Greg
amnesty program."
I read "law" in the noted article. One might argue that it might be good to join SEMA and work through them to get those that make the "laws" to see ones point of view.
Just saying,
Greg
This type of action is long overdue in California. Nevertheless, significant inconsistencies among the states remain in place in this area.
David, Ease up on the moral issues, you'll make your brain bleed.
In Calif, it's legal to re-body a chassis and as such, there is no reason to notify DMV that your have a Speedster body on a VW chassis.
Additionally, the engine installed must meet smog requirements for the year of the chassis.
In Calif, it's legal to re-body a chassis and as such, there is no reason to notify DMV that your have a Speedster body on a VW chassis.
Additionally, the engine installed must meet smog requirements for the year of the chassis.
Do you remember years ago, when you ordered a chassis first, and then chose a coachbuilder? Sounds like the same thing as a shortened-chassis built Speedster, doesn't it? So that should be legal.
However, a custom-framed Speedster or Spyder is basically a new vehicle, even if it has part-bin running gear from something else. I like the SB100 program in Cali, it makes sense. So does the SEMA-model legislation that keeps getting adopted by more states, which states current(first reg.) year, then vehicle, then replication year for safety and emissions.
I agree, there are way too many differences from state to state regarding titling, registration, and insurance. I don't think the states care about much, except collecting taxes and ensuring stolen parts aren't being used out there. I know that some people are guilty of undervaluing their cars so the state gets less tax. Hey, I hate taxes too, but it is just the one time in my state. I dislike the fact that every time a vehicle is sold in NY, the new owner gets to pay taxes on it. That ends up being a lot of money if the car is sold often.
However, a custom-framed Speedster or Spyder is basically a new vehicle, even if it has part-bin running gear from something else. I like the SB100 program in Cali, it makes sense. So does the SEMA-model legislation that keeps getting adopted by more states, which states current(first reg.) year, then vehicle, then replication year for safety and emissions.
I agree, there are way too many differences from state to state regarding titling, registration, and insurance. I don't think the states care about much, except collecting taxes and ensuring stolen parts aren't being used out there. I know that some people are guilty of undervaluing their cars so the state gets less tax. Hey, I hate taxes too, but it is just the one time in my state. I dislike the fact that every time a vehicle is sold in NY, the new owner gets to pay taxes on it. That ends up being a lot of money if the car is sold often.
I just received my title to my speedster from the DMV about 2 weeks ago. This was a 2009 Vintage Speedster that was sold to someone in Phoenix. They became the 1st owner. They only kept the car for 3 months, and sold it to someone in Escondido, Ca. This guy, (who I purchased the car from) had to get the car smogged even though the AZ ID in the doorjamb, showed it came from a 1967 construction car.
I thought this would be excempt? That car is titled SPCNS, (special construction) and had to be looked at by the CHP and get a value on it, from what the guy told me. They placed a value of $20,000 on the car, and was taxed according to their estimate.
When I purchased the car about 2 months ago, since I saw the ID in the jamp showed AZ (Arizona), I told him I wanted a smog certificate when I bought his car. No problem, passed.
But - my question for the day is- - - my registration is due in April of 2010, will I be required to get a smog now, every two years? ? ? Not fair, car is
a 1967 construction.
Simi Mike
California
I thought this would be excempt? That car is titled SPCNS, (special construction) and had to be looked at by the CHP and get a value on it, from what the guy told me. They placed a value of $20,000 on the car, and was taxed according to their estimate.
When I purchased the car about 2 months ago, since I saw the ID in the jamp showed AZ (Arizona), I told him I wanted a smog certificate when I bought his car. No problem, passed.
But - my question for the day is- - - my registration is due in April of 2010, will I be required to get a smog now, every two years? ? ? Not fair, car is
a 1967 construction.
Simi Mike
California
If the CA pink slip says 1973 or earlier, and the VIN matches the pink slip, it is smog exempt.
Until they pass the next law.
Which someone tries to do every friggin year.
Until they pass the next law.
Which someone tries to do every friggin year.
DAVID ITS 1975 0R OLDER
Smog Information
Currently, smog inspections are required for all vehicles except diesel powered vehicles, electric, natural gas powered vehicles over 14,000 lbs, hybrids, motorcycles, trailers, or vehicles 1975 and older.
Vehicles registered in areas subject to the biennial smog certification program are required to submit evidence of a smog certification every other renewal period. Owners of vehicles six or less model years old will pay an annual smog abatement fee for the first six registration years instead of being required to provide a biennial smog certification. The registration renewal notice mailed to you by the department will indicate if a smog certification is required. If a smog certification is required and you have not had a smog inspection, you may still pay your registration fees to avoid any late fees. However, you will not receive your new registration or year sticker until the smog information has been received by DMV.
NOTE: Upon initial registration, nonresident and specially constructed vehicles 1976 and newer require smog certification. The six or less model years old rule does not apply to these vehicles.
When you transfer a vehicle that is four or less model years old a smog certification is not required. (Determine the oldest-qualifying year model by subtracting three from the current year.) A smog transfer fee will be collected from the new owner. When a vehicle is more than four model years old, a seller must provide evidence of a current smog certification except when one of the following occurs:
Smog Information
Currently, smog inspections are required for all vehicles except diesel powered vehicles, electric, natural gas powered vehicles over 14,000 lbs, hybrids, motorcycles, trailers, or vehicles 1975 and older.
Vehicles registered in areas subject to the biennial smog certification program are required to submit evidence of a smog certification every other renewal period. Owners of vehicles six or less model years old will pay an annual smog abatement fee for the first six registration years instead of being required to provide a biennial smog certification. The registration renewal notice mailed to you by the department will indicate if a smog certification is required. If a smog certification is required and you have not had a smog inspection, you may still pay your registration fees to avoid any late fees. However, you will not receive your new registration or year sticker until the smog information has been received by DMV.
NOTE: Upon initial registration, nonresident and specially constructed vehicles 1976 and newer require smog certification. The six or less model years old rule does not apply to these vehicles.
When you transfer a vehicle that is four or less model years old a smog certification is not required. (Determine the oldest-qualifying year model by subtracting three from the current year.) A smog transfer fee will be collected from the new owner. When a vehicle is more than four model years old, a seller must provide evidence of a current smog certification except when one of the following occurs:
I guess I'm stuck with smog certificates for the rest of my life.
On my speedster title, because its special construction, there is not date. It has 0000 under year. But my argument is - - - the ID in the door jamb indicates a 1967, but its not anywhere on the title.
Now, since the car is listed as 2009, for "year 1st sold" does that mean no smog for 4 years?
Simi Mike
On my speedster title, because its special construction, there is not date. It has 0000 under year. But my argument is - - - the ID in the door jamb indicates a 1967, but its not anywhere on the title.
Now, since the car is listed as 2009, for "year 1st sold" does that mean no smog for 4 years?
Simi Mike
Not really, If you go to DMV January 4th and apply for a SB100 exemption, you'll be able to register the car as what it represents and be done with smog checks.
This gives you the opportunity to pay a few bucks for the registration process but exempts you from future smog checks.
In CA, it's a felony to register your car as "something that it is NOT" in other words, if you register your car as a 1956 Porsche and it's a Special Construction then you're in violation of the law.
There are only 500 exemptions issued each year so be there at 7:00 AM standing in line so you're one of the first that they serve.
Many DMV employee's don't understand the process so if you're unlucky and get one that doesn't understand then tell them to get their supervisor and get out the DMV work book.
This gives you the opportunity to pay a few bucks for the registration process but exempts you from future smog checks.
In CA, it's a felony to register your car as "something that it is NOT" in other words, if you register your car as a 1956 Porsche and it's a Special Construction then you're in violation of the law.
There are only 500 exemptions issued each year so be there at 7:00 AM standing in line so you're one of the first that they serve.
Many DMV employee's don't understand the process so if you're unlucky and get one that doesn't understand then tell them to get their supervisor and get out the DMV work book.