A buddy of mine has one of the original Wilhoit 2.2 engines in his 356 coupe. I understand it screams and has been very reliable.
@Panhandle Bob posted:A buddy of mine has one of the original Wilhoit 2.2 engines in his 356 coupe. I understand it screams and has been very reliable.
It definitely is. I’ve owned three 2L Willhoit engines-they’re well done.
I actually had a replica 4 cam built with parts from Germany, but am not sure I want to deal with the reliability issues I might encounter, so I’m going pushrod instead.
I built the 4 cam to 2L using 587 layshafts, crank and pistons with electronic copies of the original distributors!
@DannyP posted:Yawn.
I posted because I'm actually curious and DO want to understand. Get off your horse.
That's not how I read your post Danny so you can get off your horse. You've had a fair number of posts decrying the choices people make because it's not what you'd do so I took your comment to be just another one of those.
Hans has a lifetime of experience building and servicing Porsche motors and also restoring Porsches. He also has an extensive background in racing. When I was over helping him with Anand's car he was telling me about the straps he wanted to put on the car. His skills are evident when you look at the parts he fabricated by hand without plans or measurements just for this car. His concern is that he has NEVER seen the custom motor mounts that were made for Anand's Spyder. And his primary concern is whether or not they'll hold up to the torque of the motor that Pat built. He believes the fellow who made the mounts knows what he's doing but this is simply designed to help insure nothing gets destroyed if they fail.
Where did everyone suddenly get horses or are we talking HP? 
Anand:
I'm referring to Keith Hoffnagle's car. I believe you have driven it.
@WNGD posted:Where did everyone suddenly get horses or are we talking HP?
I think those horses should arrive with a grain of salt to be taken with every comment on every thread. 
Horses are what we'll need for transportation in a few years......with the ban of ICE and a grid system that is awful at best.
@Robert M posted:That's not how I read your post Danny so you can get off your horse. You've had a fair number of posts decrying the choices people make because it's not what you'd do so I took your comment to be just another one of those.
Hans has a lifetime of experience building and servicing Porsche motors and also restoring Porsches. He also has an extensive background in racing. When I was over helping him with Anand's car he was telling me about the straps he wanted to put on the car. His skills are evident when you look at the parts he fabricated by hand without plans or measurements just for this car. His concern is that he has NEVER seen the custom motor mounts that were made for Anand's Spyder. And his primary concern is whether or not they'll hold up to the torque of the motor that Pat built. He believes the fellow who made the mounts knows what he's doing but this is simply designed to help insure nothing gets destroyed if they fail.
Well, that's all nice and good. But you know what happens when you assume.
It's apparent that nobody can question why or what a friend of yours does. It is obvious to me that Hans is a craftsman and knows what he is doing. That piqued my curiosity, because I really do enjoy learning from others.
Yeah, I'm a dick sometimes. Get over it.
@arajani posted:I actually had a replica 4 cam built with parts from Germany, but am not sure I want to deal with the reliability issues I might encounter, so I’m going pushrod instead.
I built the 4 cam to 2L using 587 layshafts, crank and pistons with electronic copies of the original distributors!
Lost in talk of horses, experts, and limit straps is this little gem, overlooked almost entirely.
"This old thing? Yeah, this is just my 4-cam 2L, built up with custom parts from the Fatherland. You know, the one with the custom electronic twin distributors? I'm not sure what I'm doing with it, but I'm sure something will come up."
What, the actual heck?!? I know a Rock Star!
@Panhandle Bob posted:Anand:
I'm referring to Keith Hoffnagle's car. I believe you have driven it.
Bob, yes! Keith’s car was the first one I drove. Such a great guy! I’ll see him this weekend at the 356 Registry West Coast Holiday.
@DannyP posted:Well, that's all nice and good. But you know what happens when you assume.
It's apparent that nobody can question why or what a friend of yours does. It is obvious to me that Hans is a craftsman and knows what he is doing. That piqued my curiosity, because I really do enjoy learning from others.
Yeah, I'm a dick sometimes. Get over it.
@DannyP — I appreciate your desire to know. This is important! I’ve not had much time recently to ask Hans about it, but I, too want to know the rationale. I’ll share it with you when I know (I’ll see Hans Monday afternoon for a shakedown drive and fueling). :-)
Anand
@Stan Galat posted:Lost in talk of horses, experts, and limit straps is this little gem, overlooked almost entirely.
"This old thing? Yeah, this is just my 4-cam 2L, built up with custom parts from the Fatherland. You know, the one with the custom electronic twin distributors? I'm not sure what I'm doing with it, but I'm sure something will come up."
What, the actual heck?!? I know a Rock Star!
Stan,
HA! You give me WAY too much credit. I am a workaholic with a checkbook and a penchant for part numbers and history!
@arajani posted:It definitely is. I’ve owned three 2L Willhoit engines-they’re well done.
I actually had a replica 4 cam built with parts from Germany, but am not sure I want to deal with the reliability issues I might encounter, so I’m going pushrod instead.
I built the 4 cam to 2L using 587 layshafts, crank and pistons with electronic copies of the original distributors!
Um...
Can we hear a bit more about this?
Ho
Leee
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The timing and lash are way easier to set when everything isn’t worn out-this stuff is so precise now. Andre (the owner of Retro 3D) can tell you exactly how many shims to insert where and voila-perfect timing. It doesn’t take nearly as much time. Pat Downs did some flow bench testing on these 692 heads from Retro 3D and saw a significant power increase.
Dude.
I'ma... just... Dude.
@arajani posted:Retro 3D in Germany basically reproduce everything for the 692 and 587 motors. The quality is excellent.
Jim Ansite in Paso Robles put it together. Stupid cool.
Fixed it.
Dude.
I just wanna' sit in its half-light, and orbit around it like some planet sucked into its gravitational field.
Remember when I said you're playing this game on a completely different level? I was wrong. You're not playing any game I've played, ever.
Unreal.
Dude.
That's it. I'm selling the house and everything else in this forgotten corner of Flyover, USA. I'ma move to Kalifornia, sleep in the back of Jim Ansite's shop, and git me a 4-cam 2L to use as a pillow.
@arajani posted:
John Willhoit did two of them, albeit with real distributors.
I did mine with a set of 48 IDAs too.
WOW! 
@Stan Galat posted:That's it. I'm selling the house and everything else in this forgotten corner of Flyover, USA. I'ma move to Kalifornia, sleep in the back of Jim Ansite's shop, and git me a 4-cam 2L to use as a pillow.
LOL!! @Stan Galat - come visit some time, my friend. You’ll get to see a bunch of us air-cooled knuckleheads in one trip! Teby, Robert, Hans, Pat, Troy and I will show you a good time.
I think we need to start convincing Anand to pack up that beautiful work of art and bring it to the TdS next year. He could pack up his private 747 with his car, a large stock of refreshing adult beverages, and his private mechanic. He could also bring Teby, Robert, Hans, Pat, Troy, Musbjim, along with their rides. They would fly into Asheville and then convoy to Brevard. We might have to let them sober up a bit from the in-flight libations, but it'd work, right? Heck, he could even see if Jerry Seinfeld wants to join us.
Who's with me?
@arajani posted:Bob, yes! Keith’s car was the first one I drove. Such a great guy! I’ll see him this weekend at the 356 Registry West Coast Holiday.
Arajani:
You're right. A really good guy.
If you see him, tell him I said hello and will be in touch. We raced around together all over Orange County, he in his Spitfire and me in my Sprite, during the mid 70's. We met before I went into the service and have remained friends since.
Rainer Cooney (New Hampshire) is doing something similar with his new 4-cam engines. He hides a crank fire ring behind the crank pulley and used the dual distributors just to distribute the spark. Timing control is very precise.
@Stan Galat posted:That's it. I'm selling the house and everything else in this forgotten corner of Flyover, USA. I'ma move to Kalifornia, sleep in the back of Jim Ansite's shop, and git me a 4-cam 2L to use as a pillow.
You'd make a killing out here Stan and to think it would never ever snow. It does get pretty hot but the humidity is much lower. We love to say, "It's a dry heat.". Lol
Oh, and don't forget we have tacos.
@Lane Anderson posted:I think we need to start convincing Anand to pack up that beautiful work of art and bring it to the TdS next year. He could pack up his private 747 with his car, a large stock of refreshing adult beverages, and his private mechanic. He could also bring Teby, Robert, Hans, Pat, Troy, Musbjim, along with their rides. They would fly into Asheville and then convoy to Brevard. We might have to let them sober up a bit from the in-flight libations, but it'd work, right? Heck, he could even see if Jerry Seinfeld wants to join us.
Who's with me?
C130.
It's a bit utilitarian and carries less than a 747, but still has a payload of 17t, so it'd be just fine. It costs about 60x less (a steal at $7M vs $418.4m for a 747), and only needs 1/3 of the runway a (5000 ft vs 18,000 ft), so he could drop it into Ashville (which has an 8000 ft runway). Brevard has a 4000 ft runway, so we're almost there.
If time was critical, I think the sweet-spot would be a Alenia C-27J Spartan from Italy - it has a payload of 12.5 tons, and only needs a 1000 ft runway, which means he could probably and on the parking lot of the Brevard Hampton. They are (alas) in the $25-33m range, so the C130 is a much better deal, but YOLO, right?
@arajani - we're all counting on you, bud.
@Stan Galat posted:That's it. I'm selling the house and everything else in this forgotten corner of Flyover, USA. I'ma move to Kalifornia, sleep in the back of Jim Ansite's shop, and git me a 4-cam 2L to use as a pillow.
Don't do it Stan. It's like turning to the dark side of the force. You're fine where you are.
@DannyP is most likely correct here. The grass isn’t always greener.
For example, our grass isn’t green. It’s “golden”. And most likely will catch fire in the near future.
JFC....
@Stan Galat, I made my living in ATC, a B747 needs about 10k-11k feet to get airborne. I do like your idea of the C130, though for a short field takeoff Arajani could spring for a jato departure!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oADoZrSG9fE
@DannyP posted:Don't do it Stan. It's like turning to the dark side of the force. You're fine where you are.
And some of us like Stan currently being tucked away where he can do the least harm 
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I think you are right, Danny.
I can't see Stan ever settling in here comfortably.
Just having to drive through a sea of Teslas on our roads would itself leave him perennially ill at ease. I would expect eventual confrontations.
"Get that coal-burning POS off the road, you delusional moron!"
And how would he deal with the endless supermarket ads for Flaxseed drinks and Kombucha? These things can eat at you slowly, from within, with unforeseen consequences.
And he's never likely to warm to the idea of making our governor his governor.
I'd give him maybe six months tops before running afoul of Johnny Law in some unfortunate way.
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You’re being generous, Mitch.
I would give him about two weeks…….