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Hi All, 

While I was investigating why i'm having a hard time shifting gears (very stiff) I discovered this little piece of engineering behind my rear passenger tire. It appears to connect my shift linkage to the gearbox itself. Now i'm now VW expert but judging from the looks of it this is not a stock item and am thinking it may be at least partially to blame for the hard to shift symptoms i'm experiencing. Wondering if any of you have any insight regarding what should be making this connection. Thanks in advance!

 

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MikelB posted:

I would get a new clutch cable and clean up that mess on the end with one of these.

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/C...clutch-short-kit.htm

Thanks! I'll order one of these and a new clutch cable does anyone have a part # for the cable I want to make sure I get the right one. Also can anyone think of anything else that may need to be greased that would cause hard shifting? Moving the gear box through the gears takes a lot of force. Thanks guys I really appreciate it 

 

 

Yeah, I thought so, too.......

Those Clutch Cable shortening kits are OK (at best), but you would do much better, especially if you have a week or so to spare, to order and receive a proper-length Speedster clutch cable from Vintage Speedsters and get it installed.  What you have, while novel and functional (to a point) doesn't look as though it allows enough cable travel before the cable clamp hits the end of the Bowden tube and stops before the clutch is fully disengaged - hence your hard shifting problem.

When installing, put a big glob of grease in the palm of one hand and then draw the new clutch cable through the grease to coat the entire length of the cable as you install it into the clutch tube in the central tunnel.  That will fully grease it. 

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I recently received two new clutch cables from Kirk at Vintage.  They look a little beefier than the original one.  The  front end is swagged beautify and I believe they will last a long time.  Be sure to ask for the wing nut if you order one.

As soon as the weather warms up a little I'm going to install one of the new cables.  I'm good with the procedure but it will be a challenge to grease the cable as it goes into the tunnel and not mess up the fairly new carpet.  I'd appreciate any tips on this.

Quite  something to watch Cory expertly change his clutch at the Cracker Barrel on the way to Carlisle last year.  Taught me a lot.

 

 

 

Gordon Nichols posted:

Yeah, I thought so, too.......

Those Clutch Cable shortening kits are OK (at best), but you would do much better, especially if you have a week or so to spare, to order and receive a proper-length Speedster clutch cable from Vintage Speedsters and get it installed.  What you have, while novel and functional (to a point) doesn't look as though it allows enough cable travel before the cable clamp hits the end of the Bowden tube and stops before the clutch is fully disengaged - hence your hard shifting problem.

When installing, put a big glob of grease in the palm of one hand and then draw the new clutch cable through the grease to coat the entire length of the cable as you install it into the clutch tube in the central tunnel.  That will fully grease it. 

Thanks Gordon, i'll order one of these seems reasonable for the price and piece of mind. 

The correct length cable from VS is probably the best solution, however I have found that the clutch cable shortening kits will cause the cable to fail at the connection.  I feel that the set-up that you have is a much better solution.  It is robust and reliable as long as you have enough travel.  I am using the same set-up on my car.

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As for the shifter binding, I would look at the area around the emergency brake handle in the tunnel.  The shift rod has been cut down also and it must have an offset in it to clear the emergency brake handle/cable connection.  You can remove the pin from the e-brake handle and pull the handle up, then see if the shifter is free.  

There may also be binding in the shift rod to transaxle coupling under the rear floor board.   Remove the inspection cover and observe the coupling while moving the shifter.  

Another possible issue is the rod bushing that is located in the tunnel, just behind the shifter.  You will have to pull the shifter to access this bushing.  Instructions can be found in posts on this site or The Samba forum. 

And one last thought is to make sure that the shifter is adequately greased where it couples to the shift rod.  You can remove the two bolts at the base of the shifter and pull it up out of the tunnel.  It should be lubed where it fits into the cup of the shift rod.   Just some ideas.  

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James posted:

The correct length cable from VS is probably the best solution, however I have found that the clutch cable shortening kits will cause the cable to fail at the connection.  I feel that the set-up that you have is a much better solution.  It is robust and reliable as long as you have enough travel.  I am using the same set-up on my car.

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As for the shifter binding, I would look at the area around the emergency brake handle in the tunnel.  The shift rod has been cut down also and it must have an offset in it to clear the emergency brake handle/cable connection.  You can remove the pin from the e-brake handle and pull the handle up, then see if the shifter is free.  

There may also be binding in the shift rod to transaxle coupling under the rear floor board.   Remove the inspection cover and observe the coupling while moving the shifter.  

Another possible issue is the rod bushing that is located in the tunnel, just behind the shifter.  You will have to pull the shifter to access this bushing.  Instructions can be found in posts on this site or The Samba forum. 

And one last thought is to make sure that the shifter is adequately greased where it couples to the shift rod.  You can remove the two bolts at the base of the shifter and pull it up out of the tunnel.  It should be lubed where it fits into the cup of the shift rod.   Just some ideas.  

Ok I found it, it is binding where the shift rod meets the emergency brake handle as you suggested James. I removed the handle and it's shifting great. Is there any way to correct this without removing the shift rod entirely to modify it? That seems like a big job given the access. IMG_1809IMG_1809IMG_1810

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I figure whoever shortened the shift rod cut it in the wrong place and did not retain the factory slight curve, it's bent for a reason to clear things in the tunnel. The is no quick fix, you can't put a slight bend into it, this will make it a bit shorter and the length is critical for correct shifter operation. I would remove the rod and change out the coupler end to a welded on type that allows for length adjustments and replace the $2 nylon shift rod bushing while you're there.  If you're not familiar with doing this ( it's not as difficult as it seems) dialog me and I'll explain an easy method.

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Alan Merklin posted:

I figure whoever shortened the shift rod cut it in the wrong place and did not retain the factory slight curve, it's bent for a reason to clear things in the tunnel. The is no quick fix, you can't put a slight bend into it, this will make it a bit shorter and the length is critical for correct shifter operation. I would remove the rod and change out the coupler end to a welded on type that allows for length adjustments and replace the $2 nylon shift rod bushing while you're there.  If you're not familiar with doing this ( it's not as difficult as it seems) dialog me and I'll explain an easy method.

Alan, this would be timely info for some others of us. Any chance you could post your instructions here ? Thanks.

R & I shift rod, bushing and coupler replacement. Allow 2.5 hours for the first timer.

Block the wheels and be sure the E’ brake is set. Put the shifter in neutral and remove the two 13mm head bolts that secure the shifter ....caution there may be grease on the underside and note the position of the shifter plate as it has a longer lip on the right side. Carefully pull back the carpet above the access plate that is located on top of the center tunnel just in front of the rear seat area, Remove the phillip's head plate screw, plate and also the safety wire (that should be there) that passes through the small hole in the bolt square head.  Remove the square head 9mm bolt that secures the coupler to the trans rod noting that it has a point on the end that rests into the trans rod indent. Also remove the 9mm bolt ( small wrench) that passes through the shifter coupler, you will have to use a narrow vise grip the opposite fastener and try not to drop the hardware into the tunnel( you will though and a long needle nose pliers will allow you to retrieve it)  and set this aside .  If the rubber or red blocks are loose in the openings, you'll need to replace the coupler with a new one on reinstall. Centered behind the axle beam, remove the two 10mm head bolts that secure the oval access cover. Using the long nose pliers go back to the shifter hole grab the shift rod and rotate it a 1/8” turn this will allow the top of the rod cup to pass forward without hitting the top of the tunnel. Grabbing the rod and moving the rod forward an inch or so at a time until it drops out of the nylon bushing. Now grab the rod again and shove it hard and forward letting it drop in the tunnel, reach in the front narrow oval access and remove the rod, it will be a tight fit to get it past the rear of the battery box but it is doable, lightly sand off any rust  wipe it clean with a very light coat with WD 40 and set it aside.......do not paint it. 

Look in the shifter hole noting the slot in the nylon bushing that is holding it there you must.... put the new one into that same slot on the new nylon bushing  ( you can easily do this wrong) Using the long nose pliers, pull the nylon bushing and wire ring out of the bushing hanger.

Replacing the bushing: I don’t bother trying to replace the metal securing ring (almost impossible)  as the slot in the bushing /hanger and the rod holds it in place. I  use one of two different methods to install ….A) a long 1/8” socket extension set into the shifter hole and angle it to rest against the bushing hanger hole, slide the new bushing down the extension and it will come to rest at the hanger, now gently push it into the hanger hole with a screwdriver being careful not to damage it. B) Roll the new bushing smaller than the actual size and grab that with the pliers , slide it into the hanger and release the piers allowing the bushing to expand and adjust the bushing as needed to get it into the correct mounting slot.

Reassembly is the reverse order ( unless you are replacing the coupler with a weld on adjuster then do follow their instruction ) Be sure to put a bit of grease in the nylon bushing this make reinstalling the rod easy and smooth shifting.  

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Thanks everyone, I am going to remove the shift rod and go from there likely get a new bushing and threaded coupler end.  I went out in the garage today and took a look at the clutch cable as Alan mentions the configuration I have looks similar to his. Upon further inspection it looks pretty sturdy. I did remove the slack and cleaned up with an additional clasp on the cable to eliminate the extra cable whip that I had. One thing i'm noticing now that I have the emergency brake completely disconnected is if I release my clutch pedal in neutral the throwout bearing seems to still be slightly engaged. This results in my engine dropping in rpm and my car slowly moving forward. I tried removing more slack but as a result I lost all free play in the clutch pedal. In addition the car still moved forward some and rpm dropped. I never noticed this before since E brake was on. Does anyone know if I need more slack or less to alleviate this? I tried both to no avail so gave up for a while before I lose my mind.  

Hoopster posted:

Hi Alan, 

I got rid of all of the free play in the clutch pedal when I removed the slack in the cable. Maybe I removed to much slack? I was reading there should be about 2 inches of free play in the pedal before starting to feel resistance. Is that true?

 

IIrc there should be 1/2-1" freeplay at the clutch pedal.

Respectfully...The old school German way aka the right way to adjust a clutch:   Reach up and grab the clutch arm at the trans and pull it forward , you should have just a tad of free play, this tells you there is the necessary small gap between the throw out bearing and the clutch pressure plate as you do not want to have the clutch adjusted so that the bearing has constant pressure plate contact and is always turning. 

 

 

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thank you, i'll give that a shot as soon as it warms up a bit, I had a feeling it was a little too tight. I'd like to order the linkage bushing and rod end coupler that Alan mentions above so when I pull the linkage shaft I have it Does anyone have a source for these or a part # I have a 74 beetle transmission. I found this item however not sure that it is adjustable doesn't seem to be from the description. 

 

http://www.pacificcustoms.com/ac710001.html

 

That part saves a good hour.  The CMC build manual says you can cut old rod in center to remove a piece then insert metal rod in center to reinforce and reweld.  There is no adjustment so it has to be pretty close to being right on plus you want a smooth weld so it can be reinserted.  When cutting off end and using this adjuster, you may loose the slight needed bend in shift rod. 

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