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I have purchased quite a bit of stuff from Sierra Madre and have always been pleased with the quality. I however felt their pricing to sometimes be a little high. Today I tried to take advantage of a deal on a fog light switch on sale with a special extra 10% summer sale deal. I was ready to place the order only to find they wanted $16. to ship a switch and this was the cheapest option. This would not be more than $3 USPS. This is like those "just pay extra shipping and handling" deals to get a twofer on TV deals. I save $20 dollars and pay it back on overpriced shipping charges. You would think I ordered something heavy and large. 

I'm not dead yet. I am feeling much better!

 

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Originally Posted by Fpcopo VS:

If you think they are high, try CB Performance!

^ Amen. Sometime, I'd like to talk to Suzie, or whoever's in charge, and tell her that they lose at least $500/yr from guys like me who figure out how to get something without paying $25 to get it here.

 

The problem is that shops like CB think they are local suppliers, when in reality they are a worldwide source. Summit Racing figured this out about 20 years ago, and they became "America's speed shop".

 

I'd love to buy CB, and turn it into a one-stop, world-wide shop for all things air-cooled. There's still a market, albeit a small one.

Try living in Canada and getting something shipped from the US via UPS.

 

UPS charges HUGE brokerage fees....absolutely outrageous!

 

When buying parts from the US I either have them ship via USPS (if they're willing), or have it shipped to a small town parcel depot just across the border.  Luckily, I live close to the border and can drive across for a pick up.

So I had some time (Jeanie's out of town), and I put together an email to Susie Canvasser. It reads as follows:

 

Susie-

 
I'm a 50 y/o small businessman (commercial HVAC/R service- supermarket specialist) from Illinois. I've been a customer of CB for about 15 years.
 
I've got some suggestions for you, but first I'd like to let you know how much I appreciate CB Performance, and your continuing drive to keep the air-cooled hobby from slipping into oblivion. Your company has continued to push innovation, and is the best thing our little branch of the automotive tree has going for it. You are not merely reselling the same EMPI stuff everybody else is (which is a race to the bottom), but are designing and casting/building your own parts. This, more than anything else, puts you in another class altogether-- a class of a very few.
 
The world has changed in the last 30 years. In many, many parts of our country (and the world) there are only a handful of air-cooled VWs on the road, and no shops or parts outlets of any kind. You have survived in this shrinking market by remaining relevant, and doubling-down on the air-cooled bet. A niche means that you'll never be huge, but you'll also always have a market (unless you really dork things up).
 
However...
 
while you may be the best thing going, you are far from perfect. Purchasing from CB is frustrating for customers who do not live nearby. I'm not the prototypical "tightwad" VW person. I am in the process of building a dry-sump 2276 with twin-plug heads for my replica speedster. I've spent many, many tens of thousands of dollars on this car over the past 10 years. I've also got a '64 panel van with waaaay too much money in it. I've bought more than a few parts from you, but nowhere near as many as I would've liked to.
 
The reason? 
  1. Your shipping is deplorable
  2. Your hours are ridiculous
Your order-takers (Daniel and Marianne) are generally friendly and helpful. But then... the customer service often just stops. The order might ship tomorrow afternoon, or it might ship in a week-- it's anybody's guess. Even worse? The "shipping and handling" charges ridiculous-- among the worst I've ever encountered anywhere for anything. A "Black-Box" ignition module, which could easily fit in a USPS flat-rate box and ship anywhere in the country for less than $10 costs $25. I realize that USPS is sometimes unreliable, but even UPS would be $10 for a bulk shipper. I can buy an electronic bit on ebay from CHINA, have it shipped to me for $5, and have it on my doorstep in 4 days.
 
And the hours? Closed on Saturday/Sunday and Monday? Really? You realize that this is a hobby for most of us, right? Saturday could be your busiest day of the week. And Monday? I know there must be some logic to this-- giving you time to catch up, or something-- but the whole thing kind of throws off a "too-cool-for-school" California vibe to those of us out here in fly-over country. Extending the weekend long par-tay into Monday? Meeting up down at the surf-shack for fish tacos? What?
 
These two things combined mean I don't order a LOT of stuff that I would like to. Really. While you are the best source for many parts, you are not the only source. I end up buying lots of parts from secondary vendors who answer the phone on Saturday morning or Monday, who charge a reasonable shipping and handling rate, and who actually ship the parts I order in a timely manner. Lot's of times, they are YOUR parts. That's really nuts when you think about it.
 
I purchase a lot of parts for my business from out-of-state vendors, so I know how it works. Customer service and logistics is very, very important.
 
Consider Summit Racing. 35 years ago, when I was a kid trying to build a hot Firebird, Summit was a regional catalog vendor (sort of like CB). There are a lot more V8s than VWs in the world, and a much larger potential market-- but specialty car parts remain a niche, no matter what flavor of parts your are trying to move. At some point, Summit decided they wanted to be "America's Speed Shop", and got their act together with their website and shipping.
 
Nowadays, I can wander down to the computer at 5:00 AM and order a bunch of parts on-line. If they total more than $99, they get shipped free. If it's less than a hundred bucks, it costs $10 or so. Either way, they're on my doorstep the next morning. Every single time.
 
Know what? I order a lot of stuff I don't really need to get to $100 and free shipping. Think about that for a minute.
 
Summit has 3 things going for them:
  1. They make ordering easy. Their website is really easy to navigate. Yours is okay, but it takes a LOT of clicks to get to anything. I'm not asking you to redesign it, just take a look at how other people are doing it, and what people's expectations have become.
  2. Shipping reflects the actual cost of shipping. I know there are labor expenses in boxing up parts, and that the boxes themselves are not cheap-- but really-- $25 for pretty much anything?
  3. Orders are filled in a timely manner. It doesn't matter if it's speed week in Daytona, Corvette Gold weekend in Bloomington, or if a meteor just hit Akron-- parts get boxed and shipped out the same (or the next) business day. If they are out of stock on something, they ship what they have, and ship the back-ordered part as soon as it comes in... at no extra cost.
You could do this, and dominate your market. You're already an industry leader (albeit in a shrinking market), but you could become a sole-source vendor for all things VW (and air-cooled) in 5 years. You could become "America's VW Speed-Shop", and it wouldn't take a whole lot. You're most of the way there, and the hard stuff is already in place.
 
Think about it.
 
Sincerely,
 
-- 
Stan Galat, Precision Mechanical Services

Sierra Madre relented after I wrote an email complaining about the shipping charges. I just ordered the switch with $2.50 USPS shipping. I have also recently been ordering from CIP1. I thought they were in CA, but no! They are in BC, so not tax anywhere in the US and over $50 orders no freight. They had some special pricing recently that was very competitive. 

 

I've moved to Bug City ( https://www.bugcity.com ) for a LOT of my VW-ish parts.

 

Good web site, lots of selection, choice of Chinese, Brazilian or German for many of their parts (with different price points) and show inventory status as you order.  On top of all that good stuff, their shipping costs seem reasonable and stuff that I order is here either overnight or the following day - bear in mind they are only one state away.

 

It gets even better if I'm not sure what to order and call them - I always get someone on the phone who actually knows VWs and also knows the parts they're selling, what'll work and what won't in my situation.  

 

OTOH, when dealing with Aircooled.net, I had one major item (a Kafer Brace) backordered for seven weeks before I killed the order, and they shipped a totally different and incompatible part number for a pair of wheel cylinders I had ordered, which had to be RMA'd (any returns for seller mistakes are always a PITA).  I got the right stuff from Bug City - ordered at 4pm and had the stuff by 10:30 am, next day.

 

I haven't ordered any real "Porsche" parts in so long I can't remember so not much help.  I know the 356 club folks use Stoddard's a lot and have similar complaints with both them and Sierra Madre.  These guys are all slowly losing out to the global sellers who understand how to make the internet work for them.

Last edited by Gordon Nichols
Originally Posted by Terry Nuckels--'04 JPS Speedster NorCal:

Good for you, Stan!

Although I would have recommended that you not put your age. They'll figure you're just some old dude that spends his time writing letters to the editors of various liberal news sources...

 I AM an old dude, apparently. I wrote a narrative tale to a place I buy from 4x/yr. I've become a parody of myself.

True story:

 

I was at LennyC's house and we were doing the alignment on his Spyder a couple years ago. We couldn't get enough negative camber so we needed the aftermarket camber adjusters. His son Chris comes and picks us up and off to Bug City we go from Bristol, CT. I think it was less than a half-hour drive.

 

So we get there and all three of us are in line behind a half-dozen hippie-looking customers. I mean who else works on air-cooled crap these days? This place is just a house with a parts counter in the living room. Going down the hall are room after room filled with parts. I have no idea how they know where anything is. But they do!

 

This dude comes to the door and sticks his head in. He says, "Where's Dave?"

 

Wait for it.........I can't resist and reply  "Dave's not here, man!"

 

EVERY single person in the place busts out laughing! SEG's all around.

 

Then we got our adjusters and left and finished the job.

I was in college in SF when that Cheech and Chong bit came out. Plus I lived in the Haight Ashbury. Today you can't get a dump there for less than $1m. You hit me with a sort of an acid flashback. I think "Dave" was the B side of the 45 for the "Story of Santa Claus." Something like do you know Santa Claus? Yeah I know that dude I played in a band with him. Doesn't he live in the projects? He put magic dust up his nose and went all around the world in one night, places like Chiiiiicago, LA, Nueva York. Pardon the Spanglish. For you youngsters.....a 45 was a small vinyl record played at 45RPM. The B side was the side not intended for air play and was usually considered filler. 

 

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