People who drive RADICALLY different cars than the Masses, are bound to have strong Political views! Airing them here maybe not the best venue for them?
I like stirring the pot!!!Originally Posted by MusbJim - '14 VS SoCal:
I like chicken pot pie! 
Originally Posted by Tom Blankinship-2010 Beck-Dearborn, MI:
Lane, people want the world to be simple. It's easier to blindly believe than think and have doubts.
Amen to that. There are a lot of "people of faith" who just choose to create their own reality: whether that faith is in a particular brand of religion, political affiliation, or world-view. Evidence to the contrary is discredited or ignored.
I am not, by nature a faithful person. I am skeptical of simple explanations, political solutions, and "folklore and common knowledge". I do however, have a deep and abiding faith in a God I believe to be unfathomable, who yet chooses to reveal enough of Himself to draw me into an embrace of what I do know.
True faith (as I understand it) is not the absence of reason or doubt, it is embracing what lies beyond reason or comprehension. I'm self-aware enough to know that I cannot fathom the unknowable-- but believe I have been given a glimpse of the infinite. Knowing the limitations of human intellect and reason actually propels me into faith. This isn't a matter of choosing to be ignorant, it is choosing to illuminate everything in the light of faith.
It's a faith that has changed my life, in every way for the positive.
Originally Posted by marksbug:
I like stirring the pot!!!Originally Posted by MusbJim - '14 VS SoCal:
I like chicken pot pie!
@ Mark
If you expect me to believe you knew your disjointed rant was going to somehow lead to a political discussion you're as delusional as your initial post was obscure.
Your post on the previous page appears, albeit difficult to read, an attempt to make excuses for SL of SAS whilst offering numerous reasons why he can't make his schedules and that it somehow is the same for others. If those same issues were experienced by everyone then everyone would have the same delivery issues. They don't. Carey at Beck, Kirk at VS, and Henry at IM ALL seem to get their cars done on time and in a timely manner.
For the rest of us, let's get back to talking about our cars or cars in general. That's what this forum is about. Politics and religion are two topics I generally stay away from because there are as many opinions as there are...........well let's just say there are a lot of opinions on the subjects. Friendships are never made while discussing the two subjects and friends often become enemies. Either way feelings get hurt and friendships get damaged.
Back to talking about cars.
Robert, Bob, whatever.
I'll write the Beatles for you, absolutely love this line!
"Now we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall"
And another one, can't remember author: "If it's not about women or beer, you're asking the wrong questions"
Enough said. Back to cars.
I'll write the Beatles for you, absolutely love this line!
"Now we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall"
And another one, can't remember author: "If it's not about women or beer, you're asking the wrong questions"
Enough said. Back to cars.
So let's see: we have Steve from SAS, Donald Trump, Barak Obama, all as complete idiots, or worse, all in one post. On the positive side, we have thumbs up for the Red Man and pot pies, chicken. SOC Forum having a great day!!!
I think we should leave the politics out, frankly, as this is a place for the cars and such. And as for SAS and its owner, there has been so much given here about what an awful entrepreneur he is that more piling on seems fruitless. Although, history would support that he has made some very nice Speedster replica and hot rod cars over the years. Even tho all that I know about SAS comes from this Forum, I would never consider doing any business w/ SAS, nor would I recommend anything other than a complete boycott of his operations -- anybody who sends him money expecting a car in return would be a total fool. Exactly where marksbug is coming from, I can't really figure . . . IMHO.
I'd like to see Trump with a buzz cut. 
El Frazoo: I think you stepped pretty close to over the line calling me and other SAS owners and customers complete fools. I find it insulting and am personally offended. One of these days someone is going to say the wrong thing about the wrong person at the wrong time and will find themselves along with Theron in court for posting such trash on a PUBLIC forum. I've seen plenty of complaints about other builders but never with as much venom as been posted here by so many "experts". The only people that should piss and moan about SAS are the buyers since the owners are satisfied and don't bitch about other builders. Sure you have the right to free speech and I defended that right but Steve Lawing has the right to run a business as well or poorly he wants. Since you don't have a SAS car, ordered one, met Steve Lawing or visited his 2 man operation, I suppose that makes you another expert. If this post offended any member then maybe it should have. I am so f...ing tired reading $hit about SAS and so should Theron...
Just curious Nolan. How many years ago did you give your money to him and how long did it take to get your car?
Not going there Troy, it would only add fuel to the fire, besides it's been posted here before.
To be liable for Defamation, a person must say/write/publish something which would ruin another person's good reputation. There is a lot more to the law than that, but that's the general tone.
I can't see how that applies in the case of SAS. If you ruin your own reputation and others comment on it, that's simply recounting the facts.
Do you really think he intended to offend you by trying to make a point about the foolish nature of throwing money at a guy who is known to have a questionable business practice? My bet is that you recognised the hyperbole and wanted to make a point. If you're offended it is because you've chosen to be offended.
We need Vince to come lighten the mood around this place.
I can't see how that applies in the case of SAS. If you ruin your own reputation and others comment on it, that's simply recounting the facts.
Do you really think he intended to offend you by trying to make a point about the foolish nature of throwing money at a guy who is known to have a questionable business practice? My bet is that you recognised the hyperbole and wanted to make a point. If you're offended it is because you've chosen to be offended.
We need Vince to come lighten the mood around this place.
Sorry TRP, I find it difficult discussing SAS with "experts".
I seem to fit the definition of an SAS expert, since I bought a car from SAS. However, unlike previous assertions made, I am not satisfied. My car was not built for its intended purpose, since there was no way to operate it without overheating. This is not a materials flaw, it's a design flaw. My car was poorly engineered. I still have it in a shop where they are modifying the cooling system, and adding 2 additional radiators. My list of complaints is well-known by now, and I won't repeat it here. I will post a comprehensive review on my car when I finally get it working correctly.
Regarding defamation, TRP left out the critical element of the tort: a FALSE statement that brings harm to the plaintiff, published to a third party. I have not seen any false statements made on this site regarding SAS, but I don't claim to have read every statement. I believe there is such strong feeling about the business practices of SAS because participants on our site realize the damage a poorly-run business causes the hobby in general. My assumption is that, if SAS started delivering completed cars on the deadline that they established, the complaints would cease.
People who don't vote discuss politics. People who disavow religion discuss it non-stop. Is it really surprising that participants on a replica site discuss replica manufacturers? Perhaps the owner of SAS should step up and let us all know how wrong we are, how misguided our diagnosis of his business practices is, and how unfair we have been in our rush to judgment.
Does anyone really believe a suit for damages is likely from any statement on this forum? Why are there so few defamation suits in general? It's not rocket science, after all. Defamation suits are extremely costly to mount. No qualified attorney will accept such a suit on a contingency basis, and the defendant needs to have deep pockets to pay any damages award, punitive or otherwise, IF the plaintiff prevails. No plaintiff will spend close to $1M to sue a defendant who's only worth $50K.
Those wealthy folks in the public eye, who believe they were defamed, will sue a tabloid, since they may prevail and be awarded damages and/or costs, and the attendant publicity is seen as a positive element. For the rest of us mere mortals, we have real concerns to keep us occupied without worrying about some mythical suit.
Jim, you have the right to complain and I have no issues with you doing so but do I have the right to complain about other builders flaws or short comings or just the decency not to? I've read comments by Peter Choy and Dewalt and from others and made note but didn't feel it was my business to criticize their builders since I neither own one or dealt with the builders. Maybe I'm from a different era where I trusted people until proven otherwise. Is there anyone among you that has personally lost money dealing with SAS, other than Jim's repair costs?
No discussion of religion (too personal): check
No politics (too divisive): check
No tech stuff (too boring): check
No discussion of vendors (it's none of your business): check
Hey! Drove my car today! It was sunny! It was great!
Yep... drove my car today...
I think Stan what your trying to say is that your entitled to your opinion so long as it is the opinion of the listener
Pass the popcorn...
No discussions of chicken pot pie either, Stan.
That offends people who prefer shepherd's pie or whose religious beliefs expressly forbid the eating or touching of chicken pot pie.
It is a fact, easily verified on the internet, that 67 per cent of registered voters do not consider chicken pot pie a 'pie' at all, but instead confine their definition of 'pie' to the more common fruit pies - i.e. apple, blueberry, and cherry - consumed by most Americans.
It is also a well-established fact that anyone who considers chicken pot pie a real 'pie' was very likely born abroad and would therefore be unable to produce a US birth certificate.
So what's with Minced Meat Pie? What critter gave his life?
no excuses for ****.no way, no how. I read these internet exsperts all the time that know nothing but add thier expertise, no mater what it is about. I have no clue as to how sas does, or what there doing or not doing.I for sure cant be-leave all the internet exsperts. but it does get amusing to read all this **** if you have enough brains to know......you cant beleave everything you read on the interwebbs.well possiably Im rong about that.. You might be able to beleave it. kinda like the bergite syndrome.. I did make some shepherds pie last week...it was yummy..although not made from dog or shepherds....but made for my 84 yearold dad&mom.... opps forgot hi grammer!!!Originally Posted by Robert McEwen:
Originally Posted by marksbug:
I like stirring the pot!!!Originally Posted by MusbJim - '14 VS SoCal:
I like chicken pot pie!
@ Mark
If you expect me to believe you knew your disjointed rant was going to somehow lead to a political discussion you're as delusional as your initial post was obscure.
Your post on the previous page appears, albeit difficult to read, an attempt to make excuses for SL of SAS whilst offering numerous reasons why he can't make his schedules and that it somehow is the same for others. If those same issues were experienced by everyone then everyone would have the same delivery issues. They don't. Carey at Beck, Kirk at VS, and Henry at IM ALL seem to get their cars done on time and in a timely manner.
For the rest of us, let's get back to talking about our cars or cars in general. That's what this forum is about. Politics and religion are two topics I generally stay away from because there are as many opinions as there are...........well let's just say there are a lot of opinions on the subjects. Friendships are never made while discussing the two subjects and friends often become enemies. Either way feelings get hurt and friendships get damaged.
Back to talking about cars.
This thread is proof that some times you can't change a mans mind no matter what the evidence. Let's give up the fight. As foolish the majority thinks this is he does have a right to his opinion. The Pop corn has gotten very stail
Maybe reconstituted rattlesnake....
I always wondered what Hoss hid under his ten gallon hat.
Now we know.
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Originally Posted by Paul Mossberg 2005 IM Roadster:
I always wondered what Hoss hid under his ten gallon hat.
Now we know.
The hat at time contains a bottle of Popcorn Sutton's, egg sammiches, a complete change of clothing and a few pin-ups for my motel room. This is subject to change in case I feel the need to carry some spare radiator hoses.
WOW. I DO MISS THIS SITE
And it misses you, Gerd.
Originally Posted by DannyP:
I like the Red Man too. And it's owner/pilot
But I still wouldn't trust Steve Lawing with a dime.
I would. What's 10 cents...
Oh, almost forgot, I like Chicken Pot Pies & Bee Hives...
Well uh that about covers it 
I'll definitely vote for that!
Didn't this string start with a political statement?
Uh where was I ... oh yeah looking for a string about windshields and the stamp taht all states look for to register the car.
Wow thanks for that.
Hmmmmmm......I wonder how they got the "Porsche" script perfect radius ?
Really that is what you are wondering?
You need to get out of the shop now and then.
Now don't be picken on Alan .
Usually in an accident of that magnitude there is more damage.
Poor thing I hope she's OK
Usually in an accident of that magnitude there is more damage.
Poor thing I hope she's OK
now that would be sticker shock for sure.or would it be anticipated..... or just fodder for the bottom feeders getten off the band wagon.
I like CRACK!
beware crack kills!!! but what a way to go.
That reminds me of a news story .... the announcer is telling the story of a man who was cut off by a women on the freeway and they happen to get off at the same off ramp.... still angry at her, the man decides to Moon the women, when he does, she pulls out a pistol and fires at him...fortunately, for him, she misses.... The announcer goes on to say that the man was really happy the women was not a "crack shot"
How do 'moon' someone while driving?