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I mentioned this some time ago, but the Luddite weavers in mid-1800's England, were not opposed to new technology.  Many enjoyed a good living by using portable looms and knitting machines in their homes in a work-at-home society, and were quite successful in forming one of the first middle classes.

They were greatly opposed, however, to new technology taking away their jobs when mill operators set up huge lines of looms or knitters that could be run by a single person, eliminating tens of jobs per loom or knitting line operator.  Substitute moving product manufacture from high pay scale areas to low scale areas and you have a similar situation over the past twenty years.  Everyone enjoyed the low prices that Walmart and others brought us for products made in Asia - Until they came to realize that often enough, all those jobs we had had were going, son, and they ain't coming back, even when Bruce Springsteen sang about it.  And we seemed to throw away jobs in just about any industry in some way, shape or form, and we're about to do it all over again as we use AI (whatever the hell THAT is) to automate all sorts of functions and eliminate all sorts of jobs.  And that's not to mention how we've already decimated millions of local, American farms all across this country because people preferred cheaper produce to slightly more expensive local food that saves jobs.

I would suggest you find a book titled "Blood in the Machine" by Bryan Merchant - It's everywhere.  It reads like a novel and tells the story of how weavers and knitters organized in the early-1800's England under the (fictional) name of Ned Ludd, in an effort to get their jobs back that had been eliminated by large mill operators.  All they wanted was a way to feed their families when their jobs went away.  They were brutally crushed by the mill operators with the help of Parliament.  

The same wave is happening in America, today.  We should not unwrap the era of automation blindly.  Forewarned is forearmed.  

Getting back to the leaky engine, I finally got everything done and replaced but my main guy for moving the engine around, "Big Mike", was away all last week at a sneaker trade show somewhere (yes, they have such things), so after a few days of yard work I volunteered another neighbor who was walking by to help me get it from the shop stand to the floor jack, assembled the clutch and got it back into the car a few days ago.  It actually took 5 times longer to put the mufflers on than to assemble the clutch!  😡

Put in new oil and immediately had a leak from the CB breather box next to the alternator.  I had removed it, and when I put it back on I did a poor job of shooting a silicone seal around the cover, so off came the cover, new seal shot (again) and, so far, no leak.

So yesterday I decided to crank it over without spark or fuel to get oil pressure up and that went well.  Once I had pressure, I tried starting it but all it would do is crank....and crank and crank.  I resorted to using a starter boost to save my battery, but all it would do is crank.  When I've had the engine out before and re-installed it, it would crank maybe one turn and start right up.  Not this time.  Checked all the wiring 👍 and  Checked the coil,  👍  I had never removed the Disti so that was OK, but somehow, some way, I managed to fry the MagnaSpark Disti module.  I have no idea how, it was just dead.  Fortunately, I had a spare, popped that in and it fired right up and fast idled as smooth or smoother-er than ever.  Right up until it started to sputter on one cylinder, then two, then all over the place and died.....    🥺   And then I remembered that I had un-plugged the fuel pump while checking the coil and never remembered to plug it back in!   🤪   This is where I need to hear "Yosemite Sam" saying, "Youuuuuuu Dumb-Ass"!

Yosemite Sam

So with that, I gave up and we went out for a Leaf-Peeping ride (not in the Speedster), all the while knowing that at least the damn car is running again and I can finished the other stuff tomorrow and take it for a spin.   If I don't get rained on.  It might be a short ride.  So I'll spend some time ordering another spare Disti module from CB.

BTW, you MagnaSpark II owners - I bought my MS II 6 or so years back and I found that the distributor module from back then is different - The older ones are thicker on the ends where the mounting screws go through by about 1/8".  When I tightened the screws, they bottomed out in the disti base before they clamped down on the module, leaving it loose to move about - NOT GOOD.  The fix was a quick trip to my ACE hardware store for several #8 washers and I stacked up two on each mounting screw (on top of the one that is captive on the screw) and that cured it.  If anyone's curious, those screws are #8-36 very fine thread, and no one local will have them in stock.   Don't lose them!

The saga may be almost over.   😁

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So yesterday I decided to crank it over without spark or fuel to get oil pressure up and that went well.  Once I had pressure, I tried starting it but all it would do is crank....and crank and crank.

How did you “disable” the spark? I read somewhere that electronic ignitions don’t handle being “all dressed up with no place to go,” but I think it was in reference to checking for spark by holding a spark plug lead to a ground ie no spark plug.

If it makes you feel any better, it’s taken me 4/6hr days to undo one bolt and two hose clamps holding my airbox resonator in and 4 bolts holding my shift actuator in my Smart.

Recovering from my back surgery I’ve been taking it easy, but still.  One of the 4 T-40 bolts stripped when I tried to use a 3/8th drive socket that went in at too sharp an angle, ordered a new stud puller because mine was too big to fit in the confined space, now waiting for MB\Smart to get me two $9 8mmx1.25 bolts.

With any luck it will be going back together tomorrow or Wednesday.

BTW: this $18 puller was the cat’s meow! Delivered free next day. Thanks Bezos! IMG_6890

Bonus: it allowed me to use my NOS Hazet 2561 for the first time! If only the other side had been 24mm vs 21mm, it would have been ordained in heaven!

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I remember going to visit a local mechanic/welder when I was a kid.  Bill Haynes was a huge, no BS man, an ex-Navy SeaBee and one of the best heavy equipment repair guys around.  His garage/shop is still there, but has been empty for over 30 years, now.  

On the wall of his "office" in a rather plain corner of the shop was a sign, right above a huge 8" box wrench:

"He who dies with the most tools wins."

Bill was a veteran of the Pacific campaign in WW II who told me once, "Yah see all dem Movies about fighter pilots bein' dah first ones in tah land on some Pacific island, but you know, der was already a landin' strip der, waitin' for em.  Who dah Hell do yah tink built does airfields?  Seabees, a-course!  An' we did'n had no fighter support, neither, jus' Bulldozers!

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@DannyP posted:

Sounds to me like the Magna Spark modules have some Lucas smoke in them!

They seem to be a bit on the touchy and fragile side, eh?

I can’t vouch for their fragility, Dan.  The one I fried was the original one that came installed in the distributor kit from CB six+ years ago and has been working well.  All I did was remove the wires at the coil when I pulled the engine and then plugged them back in once the engine was in.  I used a 50 amp battery booster while cranking the engine to get oil pressure up (to save my Odyssey battery) and immediately removed it when I stopped.  

To Dave’s point, while cranking the engine, I had pulled the coil/disti wire at the coil end, but I’ve done that a couple of times before with no issues -Actually, I never gave it a thought!

Anyway, CB had a run of DOA modules a few years ago (after I got my Disti).  I don’t remember the year, 2019 maybe?  but the spare they sent me back then was DOA when I finally tried it a couple of months ago.  Marieanne at CB sent me a new one and that’s what’s running in there now and she told me they had found, and purged, the suspect modules years ago.  I just ordered another one to replenish my spare.  I’m optimistic that they’re OK these days.

I was pretty close to dropping a spare 009 with points back in somewhere in this process!!

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...I remove power to the coil now when I crank it but want no fire. I usually remove the lead right at the coil...

I do, too — without ever leaving the driver's seat.

If you ordered a 'kill switch' on a Kirk-era VS, they would run the coil power wire through a toggle switch under the dash. (As I think about this, it's exactly the same thing electrically as hitting the starter with the ignition 'off'.)

I do this all the time if it's been more than a week since I fired the motor. And have always done it since I've had the Magna Spark. I can't see how removing power from the module could harm it.

Adding a 50-amp anything to the mix is another story, though.

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Live and learn, right?   Live and learn.....   "Don't do this at home!"

Next time, I'll pull both of the module's red and black leads at the coil to be safe (and avoid coughing up $60 for a new module out of ignorance).

BTW, there are two different P/N 2012 modules listed on the CB site, one for 2007/2008 distributors made up to 2018, and another (which I got as my spare) from 2019 onward (same P/N on the distis).  As far as I can see, the difference is that the older ones need an adapter plate to fit the disti mounting plate while the post 2019 do not.  My kit, bought in 2019 from my invoice, never had the adapter.

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Don’t feel bad. When I finished up my Concept1 shroud mod, it was about 9:00pm and I’d been working all day. I was so excited that it was finished I couldn’t wait to fire it up…

And I hooked the distributor wires up backwards. Burnt my points and condenser up real good.  You’ve heard the story of how I later chased a “carb problem” for a month until my trusty Simpson 260 diagnosed that I’d burned up the coil as well, despite it reading within spec on my (kinda) cheapo HF digital multimeter.

I like to think of episodes like that as the universe looking out for you. Who knows, had it fired right up you might have gone for a ride and been run over by a semi truck. (I know it’s BS, but it makes me feel better when things don’t go to plan)

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Let’s bring this thread to a close….     I’m currently running on my spare Disti module, have another spare one arriving tomorrow from CB, thanks to Marieanne, again, after I cooked the original one.

I no longer trust my NGK coil since it now shows a slightly different primary resistance than when new, so it’s headed to the recycle bin and another one arrived yesterday.  

I’m currently back running on my original MagnaSpark II coil and, you know what?  It is running like a champ at all speeds and driving conditions without a hiccup.  I love it….  

I’ll probably install the newly arrived NGK coil just because it is a 3Ω primary instead of a 1Ω like the MagnaSpark (and it only costs $20 bucks) but that should be the end of all this.  

All I want to do now is drive it.

OH!  And after a 20-ish mile shake-down ride…..  NO LEAKS!  😁

Thanks for following along, everyone!

Gordon: txs for the ride, always informative, amusing, and  .. uh, SMH.  When I went to the full-Monty Magnaspark kit two seasons ago, there were a few other things that got done in parallel -- principally a complete tune and sync of the Webers by local Weber whisperer. So can't say for certain which did what, but I can say that the engine, which almost always started without incident prior,  now does so even better, and runs smoothly at all RPM, has a nice stable idle. I credit the Magnaspark with a lot of that.  I sure hope I got "one of the good ones" -- mine came from CB after a very long delay in their supply chain.  I've heard that they somehow test and tweak each unit after they come in off the boat.  Listening to your travails here and elsewhere, having a spare coil and module seems like a proper thing to do.

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