Mike,
I have driven the Beck 904 when Chuck still had the whole operation. Complete 911 running gear it was a screamer (had to wear my brown driving suit when Chuck was driving it). He will build you one turnkey for about 75k. Guido, don't know if it will suit your taste, it really is a Beck. If you are looking for the ultimate street beast then have him build you a Lister with the ZZ430, I really don't think there is ANYTHING out there that can touch it for pure speed and acceleration.
Hans
Guido...Take a pill dawg...I was just joking around. Tell you what, I'll just shut up. I don't need your ego trip screwin' with my weekend.
Hans...I agree with your assessment of the Beck Lister. Two or three years back a guy by the name of Ed Dellis drove one of those cars in the One Lap of America. It was wicked fast and a really beautiful car to boot. Had he not had some weather related reliability problems he would have finished right up there with the Vipers, Vettes, and 911s...Something no repro cars has done in that event.
Another interesting reproduction along the same lines was a repro of the Corvette Gran Sport. A couple of guys from Ohio (I think) ran a Gran Sport repro one of the years I participated in the event. It was an awesome car and I thought they had plans to market it, but I've not seen anything about it since and their web site is no longer up.
Another interesting reproduction along the same lines was a repro of the Corvette Gran Sport. A couple of guys from Ohio (I think) ran a Gran Sport repro one of the years I participated in the event. It was an awesome car and I thought they had plans to market it, but I've not seen anything about it since and their web site is no longer up.
Check it out Guido -
There are two suppliers that I know of for 904 replicas:
www.904gts.co.uk/
www.avantimotors.com/gallery_beck904.htm
Probably 40 - 50K for a roller.
There are quite a few GT40 replica builders and they want something like 60K for a roller.
I would suspect that a real 904 could get much much more than that for it.
Mike
There are two suppliers that I know of for 904 replicas:
www.904gts.co.uk/
www.avantimotors.com/gallery_beck904.htm
Probably 40 - 50K for a roller.
There are quite a few GT40 replica builders and they want something like 60K for a roller.
I would suspect that a real 904 could get much much more than that for it.
Mike
Hans, tell me more, tell me more! How was the quality of the one you rode in? Was it the proto that had been hangin around for years or was it a new build?
I saw one orignal at the Porsche factory museum (#33) and was just in lust over it.
Mike
I saw one orignal at the Porsche factory museum (#33) and was just in lust over it.
Mike
We're cool, Terry. No harm intended, I guess my ego is a little too much. I manage one of the largest Porsche authorized operations in the country and I guess my ego gets to my head sometimes. Check us out at www.paulmiller.com (select Porsche) At the dealership, I go by "John", my middle name. "Guido" is too gangster-like for the high-line car business. If I were to guest star on "The Sopranos", which is filmed and based here in New Jersey, than "Guido" would fit just perfect. But my real first name is really Guido; named after my Grandfather.
Mike,
Alas, it was the test mule and Chuck had just brought it back from the track and said he finally finished the final tweaks on the suspension.(This was just before he moved to Atlanta) We were going from his house toward the railroad tracks and he had it at 140-150mph (and that is no shit)and said out of the clear blue "I'll show you the brakes!". Needless to say there were no seatbelts in the car yet and he stomped on the brakes and you talk about throwing an anchor out the rear end! I damn near went through the windshield, the car stopped arrow straight,
and he said "I guess I got that right". I'll tell you that thing just howled and I would love to have one, but 75 large is just a little beyong another toy. Now 45k for the Lister complete
hmmmmmmm------
hans
Alas, it was the test mule and Chuck had just brought it back from the track and said he finally finished the final tweaks on the suspension.(This was just before he moved to Atlanta) We were going from his house toward the railroad tracks and he had it at 140-150mph (and that is no shit)and said out of the clear blue "I'll show you the brakes!". Needless to say there were no seatbelts in the car yet and he stomped on the brakes and you talk about throwing an anchor out the rear end! I damn near went through the windshield, the car stopped arrow straight,
and he said "I guess I got that right". I'll tell you that thing just howled and I would love to have one, but 75 large is just a little beyong another toy. Now 45k for the Lister complete
hmmmmmmm------
hans
Just catching up on this thread after a few days away. Did anyone see the exotic auto auction on speed vision last week (at least I think it was on speed vision last week). Any way the GT 40 that sold for $75K was a kit built by a friend of a friend. It had been autocrossed long and hard several times and it still sold for the cost to build. $60K for the roller $15K for the engine/tranny. Just thought I would thorw in my two cents. Now does anyone have $75K they can loan me :)
"Woke up this morning, got myself a gun...."
As far as Cayenne goes, if I was really going off-road, I'd buy a Touareg(sp?) and a Spyder for about the same as the Cayenne. Vicki is lucky to live in a relatively light-traffic area. I also have that luxury but will drive ultra defensively. The DRL thing has pissed me off since its inception. Motorcycles used to be visible, and you could always turn the lights on in your car if you wanted more visibility. Ever notice a funeral procession lately? Used to be VERY noticable before DRL's. At least some manufacturers have come to their senses and offered a switch to disable them. There is still hope! Silver is a very bad color, but it looks so good on a Spyder. My dad worked for the DOT and orange is number one, yellow second, and so on. Silver is indeed at the bottom of the list. Drive carefully, brethren(and sister!).
As far as Cayenne goes, if I was really going off-road, I'd buy a Touareg(sp?) and a Spyder for about the same as the Cayenne. Vicki is lucky to live in a relatively light-traffic area. I also have that luxury but will drive ultra defensively. The DRL thing has pissed me off since its inception. Motorcycles used to be visible, and you could always turn the lights on in your car if you wanted more visibility. Ever notice a funeral procession lately? Used to be VERY noticable before DRL's. At least some manufacturers have come to their senses and offered a switch to disable them. There is still hope! Silver is a very bad color, but it looks so good on a Spyder. My dad worked for the DOT and orange is number one, yellow second, and so on. Silver is indeed at the bottom of the list. Drive carefully, brethren(and sister!).
You could purchase a regular Cayenne 6 Cylinder(247hp) for just a tad bit over $50K decently equipt which looks just like the S.
Guido,
I have had dealings with PCA types that are favorable to the replica 550 and those who think quite differently. Most times it seems that in a one on one, they really like the replicar, however in groups, quite a different treatment is given. You say that you are a Porsche GM and you drive their company vehicles. What do the Porsche folks think about the replicas? Are they willing to accept them or do you get the same "Red Headed" Step Child at the family picnic treatment?
I have had dealings with PCA types that are favorable to the replica 550 and those who think quite differently. Most times it seems that in a one on one, they really like the replicar, however in groups, quite a different treatment is given. You say that you are a Porsche GM and you drive their company vehicles. What do the Porsche folks think about the replicas? Are they willing to accept them or do you get the same "Red Headed" Step Child at the family picnic treatment?
Hans,
I am so jealous. It was a ride with Chuck in the Spyder that sold me on one - it wa a red jelcoat rough looking example, but when he hit the throttle in a corner and my lips went back over my skull, I knew I had to have it.
I am afraid that if I ride with him in the 904 I would buy one.
I...must...practice...restraint...
John, my wife is a red head - what are ya saying brother?
I am so jealous. It was a ride with Chuck in the Spyder that sold me on one - it wa a red jelcoat rough looking example, but when he hit the throttle in a corner and my lips went back over my skull, I knew I had to have it.
I am afraid that if I ride with him in the 904 I would buy one.
I...must...practice...restraint...
John, my wife is a red head - what are ya saying brother?
John, I just bought my 550 Spyder several months ago as a toy for me to drive up and down Long Beach Island along the coast where I live, in the warm months. I took it once to work and everyone including my office staff was eyeing the car with such amazement in stating how cool & awesome this motorcar is. There aren't many 550 Spyder replicas around here any many people have never seen a Porsche 550 before. As far as PCA is concerned, I yet have to feel them out about the original-replica issue concerning the 550 Spyder. Although I must say that for the 1/2 million dollars a real one sells for, I'd rather stick to my Vintage replica; It's quicker, more reliable and looks similar to the original for only a fraction of the price.
Guido,
I agree with you 100%, I'm sold on the replica concept, because not all of us are like Alan DeCadenet, Jay Lenno or the likes of someone who has nothing better to do than collect cars, not that that would be a bad thing to do for a hobby.
Mike, Sorry no harm ment, just using an old country saying that may not be PC these days.
I agree with you 100%, I'm sold on the replica concept, because not all of us are like Alan DeCadenet, Jay Lenno or the likes of someone who has nothing better to do than collect cars, not that that would be a bad thing to do for a hobby.
Mike, Sorry no harm ment, just using an old country saying that may not be PC these days.
I hear it all the time John, I'm just kidding.
Hey John, I have an Ex-Wife with red hair and you don't have to be politically correct when referring to her, Knock youself out and keep em coming buddy!!!!!
Well, the car is a handful. I couldn
Ok, does anyone besides me NOT understand what Bert just said?? v
I can testify to what Bert is saying. My first drive in my car was on Spunky Canyon Road and I let off the gas in a curve that had a tightening radius and the car spun so fast...the oncoming truck and the edge of the drop off were a blur - how I missed both I do not know. I went home and cleaned myself. I had no idea it was coming and it snapped real quick.
Mike
Mike
I hate to be the grammar police, but Larry, the phrase is "in other words", not "another words." I let it pass the first time but I just couldn't resist. On a side note I was let down by the small amount of 550 coverage in victory by design tonight.
You are correct.
Often times my typing fingers move faster than by brain.
Every once in a while, we need grammar police. Better that, then fashion police.
Often times my typing fingers move faster than by brain.
Every once in a while, we need grammar police. Better that, then fashion police.
Bert makes perfect sense!!!!
In a nutshell,
He's saying that when apexing a corner, don't let off the gas pedal as the rear wheels will tuck and your car will go into oversteer due to positive camber. (in other words, the top of the tire tips to the outside and you lose your tire contact patch)
This is due to the rear swing axle only pivoting at the transmission.
When the axle moves up and down due to loading and unloading, the center line of the rear tire tips towards the center of the car when the car squats (negative camber)
The tires will tip away from the center line (towards the outside of the car) when the rear of the car is unloaded (positive camber). The rear of the car lightens when you lift from the throttle during a turn, causing the rear of the car to lose grip and spin towards the outside radius of the turn.
Now do you understand!!! LOL
(not really a nut shell, more like a coconut shell)
Also, when setting up your front end,(Ok, front suspension) it's best to have about 1/2 to 3/4 th of a degree negative camber.(top of the tire tipped towards the center of the car) When you load the outside tire during cornering, it tends to lay flat and give you a better contact patch.
It does promote some wear on the insides of the tire but if you consistentatly corner hard, the wear from cornering and the wear from straight line driving will cancel each other and your tires will wear relatively even.
In a nutshell,
He's saying that when apexing a corner, don't let off the gas pedal as the rear wheels will tuck and your car will go into oversteer due to positive camber. (in other words, the top of the tire tips to the outside and you lose your tire contact patch)
This is due to the rear swing axle only pivoting at the transmission.
When the axle moves up and down due to loading and unloading, the center line of the rear tire tips towards the center of the car when the car squats (negative camber)
The tires will tip away from the center line (towards the outside of the car) when the rear of the car is unloaded (positive camber). The rear of the car lightens when you lift from the throttle during a turn, causing the rear of the car to lose grip and spin towards the outside radius of the turn.
Now do you understand!!! LOL
(not really a nut shell, more like a coconut shell)
Also, when setting up your front end,(Ok, front suspension) it's best to have about 1/2 to 3/4 th of a degree negative camber.(top of the tire tipped towards the center of the car) When you load the outside tire during cornering, it tends to lay flat and give you a better contact patch.
It does promote some wear on the insides of the tire but if you consistentatly corner hard, the wear from cornering and the wear from straight line driving will cancel each other and your tires will wear relatively even.
Decreasing radius turns are tricky as a great deal of vehicle weight dynamics are taking place.
Some alternatives to keeping your foot planted on the gas pedal.
Brake before the apex and accelerate after the apex.
Finalize your braking before entering a corner, in other words, while the steering wheel is straight then lightly accelerate through the turns.
Trail braking, for every degree of turning motion, you decrease brake pedal pressure by the same amount,(heel/ toe) or if your really good, right foot on the accelerator and left foot on the brake.
Some alternatives to keeping your foot planted on the gas pedal.
Brake before the apex and accelerate after the apex.
Finalize your braking before entering a corner, in other words, while the steering wheel is straight then lightly accelerate through the turns.
Trail braking, for every degree of turning motion, you decrease brake pedal pressure by the same amount,(heel/ toe) or if your really good, right foot on the accelerator and left foot on the brake.
Hans -
He has to be pulling our legs!
He has to be pulling our legs!
I was carjacked in Beverlywood a few years ago... nice area...
Larry Jowdy(or should I say Larry "Rowdy"), a 550 Spyder in silver does NOT tend to blend in with any background. Whether its on a highway, biway, or any other street anywhere in the U.S. of A, you are always the center of attention behind the wheel of any color 550 Spyder. I get more looks in my Vintage 550 Spyder than my next door neighbor gets in his 360 Modena.
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Guido,
You think the car jackers do not go to Burbank,Beverly hills,and the so called "up scale"areas?
You think the car jackers do not go to Burbank,Beverly hills,and the so called "up scale"areas?
Guido, what gives? Why so harsh?
Also, it is goign to rain here tomorrow - this can be our rainy season. You may want to double check before having the car shipped...
Regards,
Mike
Also, it is goign to rain here tomorrow - this can be our rainy season. You may want to double check before having the car shipped...
Regards,
Mike
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Guido,
Believe me I have lived here all my life and have seen all kinds of things,been robbed at gun point in the middle of the day at a auto repair shop in a good area.My point is it could happen anywhere.
Believe me I have lived here all my life and have seen all kinds of things,been robbed at gun point in the middle of the day at a auto repair shop in a good area.My point is it could happen anywhere.
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I'm sorry and I apologize for some harsh words I used in this forum, SpyderMike. But don't you think Joe Maddock was a bit rude in critisizing me and sticking his nose in affairs which don't concern him?
As far as having my Spyder shipped, I have already made arrangements with Platinum Transport. Like I said, I will be visiting a friend of mine who lives in Burbank. I will only take the Spyder out if the weather is permitting. I hope it will be sunny and warm there. Wish me luck.
As far as having my Spyder shipped, I have already made arrangements with Platinum Transport. Like I said, I will be visiting a friend of mine who lives in Burbank. I will only take the Spyder out if the weather is permitting. I hope it will be sunny and warm there. Wish me luck.
Sorry for getting a little carried away, Theron.
Hell (or should I say heck?), I was jacked in Honolulu - there is no place safe.
Guido, this is a public forum and criticism comes with the territory I suppose. That, and the fact that Spyders seem to draw type A personalities, leads to some pretty heated debates. But when it comes down to it, the common element is the car isn't it, and what is there abou that to get upset about?
I think you will like driving your car on the left coast.
Mike
Guido, this is a public forum and criticism comes with the territory I suppose. That, and the fact that Spyders seem to draw type A personalities, leads to some pretty heated debates. But when it comes down to it, the common element is the car isn't it, and what is there abou that to get upset about?
I think you will like driving your car on the left coast.
Mike