Just got our professional photos complete. Here is first images of the Stärke Revolution Speedster from our Concours Collection in Meissen Blue over Black, classic style.
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Yeah that's sexy!
-=theron
Like what your doing. Althought it’s the screen, Classic lines with a modern screen just don’t do it for me.
RichardMaxwell posted:Like what your doing. Althought it’s the screen, Classic lines with a modern screen just don’t do it for me.
That doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not wild about the vents, but they're needed to get air to the engine. I've "shared" my thoughts on Meissen Blau before, so there's no point in bringing that up. Other guys like it a lot, so there's no accounting for taste.
All in all, a solid effort. I'm not buying one, but I respect the build.
Less rim. More tire/sidewall. If you improve that tire to rim ratio I bet you'll like what you see. For me, the rim and hubcap seem disproportionately large. Just my dos pesos.
@Starke Speedsters How many order so far?
A lot. We’re scaling up production to meet demand.
Also, we can make the wheels in 17” to show more rubber.
Starke Speedsters posted:A lot. We’re scaling up production to meet demand.
Define a lot, 10 or 100.
What is the build time from deposit (Boxter provided) to completion? Basic build without a bunch of extras.
Starke Speedsters posted:A lot. We’re scaling up production to meet demand.
Sorry Bill but we don’t disclose our numbers. Custom build time is 120 days. Let me know if you want to spec a build.
Starke Speedsters posted:Sorry Bill but we don’t disclose our numbers. Custom build time is 120 days. Let me know if you want to spec a build.
That's as funny as a one legged man in an ass-kicking contest!
I once read a book "the Ultimate Russian Womens Wrestler Handbook" by Sarah Tearatitoff
Then I'll look forward to hearing in February about you first customer reviews...
Oh go ahead and expose your numbers , if they are good you would be proud to do so
I dunno guys, if I were in his shoes I'd keep the sales numbers as company proprietary as well.
Alan Merklin posted:Oh go ahead and expose your numbers , if they are good you would be proud to do so
Now that he's producing, why not afford him the same respect given to other manufacturers for the time being? Yes, his "scaling up production to meet demand" could be from 1 car every 4 months to 1 a month but it seems a few are ready to argue about any comment he makes.
Just my opinion but let his initial rudeness be water under the bridge. At least until you see a few actual owner reviews to tear him a new one over.....I know I wouldn't want to be the first Starke owner posting here for someone to tell me what a terrible car I bought 
I don't see where he has any obligation to tell anybody how many orders he has, nor is his refusal an indication of anything.
This isn't QVC where they tout their remaining inventory of blue blenders every minute to get you to buy before they run out and you have to settle for red.
At some point, he may want to make some claim, but it is a bit early in the game to be doing that.
A little grace, a little benefit of the doubt might be in order.
Panhandle Bob posted:I don't see where he has any obligation to tell anybody how many orders he has, nor is his refusal an indication of anything.
This isn't QVC where they tout their remaining inventory of blue blenders every minute to get you to buy before they run out and you have to settle for red.
At some point, he may want to make some claim, but it is a bit early in the game to be doing that.
A little grace, a little benefit of the doubt might be in order.
You do have a point, certainly.......but he does suggest,
"A lot. We’re scaling up production to meet demand."
So he is trying to have it both ways....declaring big business but no definitive answers......which is okay also if that is his play. We shall see, I guess
Sure, he can keep his numbers to himself....but....I would assume that they are not good or he would release them....that is a reasonable assumption...about any product...
bart posted:Sure, he can keep his numbers to himself....but....I would assume that they are not good or he would release them....that is a reasonable assumption...about any product...
I'm on board with that assumption and not at all surprised at his response nor our inference from vague information
bart posted:Sure, he can keep his numbers to himself....but....I would assume that they are not good or he would release them....that is a reasonable assumption...about any product...
Why would you assume that? My guess is that he has a handful of firm orders so far and so what?
But other than Vintage Speedsters that I see "largest 356 manufacturer with over 3300 produced" in for sale ads, I don't see anyone demanding to know how many cars Beck or Intermeccanica has on order, nor would I expect them to reply on a forum if asked.
What manufacturer "keeps these numbers to himself"? Answer: All of them
How many are Seduction or Rock West currently building? I haven't seen a single person on here declaring they have one on order and I maintain nobody really cares because their Principles weren't on this forum declaring all other marks were inferior.
Water under the bridge, let's see what some actual owner reviews are. To me choice is good.
I'm curious as to how the nay-sayers on this site are doing with their start-up businesses and subsequent overnight successes? 
Seriously, doesn't it get tiresome to troll this guy on a continual basis?
Move along. There's nothing to see here.
Remember, guys, they're at start up, and that even though they've built 1 car, the next car they will learn a lot, and the same with the next and the next, so even if they had orders for half a dozen the smart thing would not be to build all of them at the same time. Far better to space them out slightly so lessons learned can be incorporated into the next build. And although we may have an idea, we don't ask the other manufacturers what they're production numbers are. If Starke is building enough to stay in business and pay the bills then good on them, and if they're not everyone will know soon enough.
I think there's a market for what they are doing and wish them success. Al
MusbJim posted:I'm curious as to how the nay-sayers on this site are doing with their start-up businesses and subsequent overnight successes?
LOL, That made me spit my coffee out on my keyboard.
I certainly wouldn't divulge my numbers or refinement plans this early.
Divulging too much could easily bring on the Osborne Effect.
-=theron
MusbJim posted:I'm curious as to how the nay-sayers on this site are doing with their start-up businesses and subsequent overnight successes?
I tried 4 times, went out of business 4 times...not good....as for overnight successes ....well not very good there either...
WNGD posted:bart posted:Sure, he can keep his numbers to himself....but....I would assume that they are not good or he would release them....that is a reasonable assumption...about any product...
Why would you assume that? My guess is that he has a handful of firm orders so far and so what?
But other than Vintage Speedsters that I see "largest 356 manufacturer with over 3300 produced" in for sale ads, I don't see anyone demanding to know how many cars Beck or Intermeccanica has on order, nor would I expect them to reply on a forum if asked.
What manufacturer "keeps these numbers to himself"? Answer: All of them
How many are Seduction or Rock West currently building? I haven't seen a single person on here declaring they have one on order and I maintain nobody really cares because their Principles weren't on this forum declaring all other marks were inferior.
Water under the bridge, let's see what some actual owner reviews are. To me choice is good.
Well those companies have been in business for years, even decades and have demonstrated the ability to produce quality products on time and budget....
just speaking for myself if I was a start up manufacturer and had a bunch of firm orders that would definitely be part of my marketing...that might give confidence to potential customers,
I know that was about the first question I asked when I was considering ordering a car...
You can make any assumption you want and that is what others will have to do without any announcement ...
bart posted:WNGD posted:bart posted:Sure, he can keep his numbers to himself....but....I would assume that they are not good or he would release them....that is a reasonable assumption...about any product...
Why would you assume that? My guess is that he has a handful of firm orders so far and so what?
But other than Vintage Speedsters that I see "largest 356 manufacturer with over 3300 produced" in for sale ads, I don't see anyone demanding to know how many cars Beck or Intermeccanica has on order, nor would I expect them to reply on a forum if asked.
What manufacturer "keeps these numbers to himself"? Answer: All of them
How many are Seduction or Rock West currently building? I haven't seen a single person on here declaring they have one on order and I maintain nobody really cares because their Principles weren't on this forum declaring all other marks were inferior.
Water under the bridge, let's see what some actual owner reviews are. To me choice is good.
Well those companies have been in business for years, even decades and have demonstrated the ability to produce quality products on time and budget....
just speaking for myself if I was a start up manufacturer and had a bunch of firm orders that would definitely be part of my marketing...that might give confidence to potential customers,
I know that was about the first question I asked when I was considering ordering a car...
You can make any assumption you want and that is what others will have to do without any announcement ...
I think I'd research everything I could online, then meet with the owners and review the work history/resumes of the build principles, their facilities and work completed up to this point and combined with a liberal dose of competitor advantages/disadvantages, factual observance and gut instinct, make a purchasing decision.
Others might think that having a manufacturer claim how many firm orders he has on an enthusiast website might carry more weight.
I don't think saying "we're a start up company with a great idea and already have 14 orders"(!) would influence me at all
I'd sooner make my own decisions based on more important factors than whether he has many orders or not. Maybe just me .... I have no dog in this particular fight ....
BART: I agree with you wholeheartedly.....a potential customer might want to feel some confidence from a company and hear some numbers especially when they offer up the need for "scaling up production". It doesn't bode well for confidence when one boasts of big business but avoids specifics.
I wish them success despite the fact that I am NOT a fan of their REVOLUTION nor their SPEEDSTER and they just might succeed on a small scale. Its plainly obvious that many folks consider me a blowhard asshole
on this forum because of my position but life goes on.......
STARKE has not been gracious with this very pointed audience and that is plain fact....if one wants to defend proprietary numbers despite every major manufacturer very willing, with nothing to lose by being honest, then let them embrace their secrets. At least I'm not the only one unconvinced
"I don't think saying "we're a start up company with a great idea and already have 14 orders"(!) would influence me at all "
Easy to say when you're not forking over $70 to $125K PLUS a donor BOXSTER for one of their cars.....
WND you are starting to piss me off ...you are using a variety of straw dog arguments to attack a perfectly reasonable assumption on my part...so shove it...
I never said or implied that I would make a decision on that information alone...
Now you can have the last word if you want it, because I am not interested in any further dialog with you..
bart posted:WND you are starting to piss me off ...you are using a variety of straw dog arguments to attack a perfectly reasonable assumption on my part...so shove it...
I never said or implied that I would make a decision on that information alone...
Now you can have the last word if you want it, because I am not interested in any further dialog with you..
That's too bad. I thought it was a fairly civilized discussion to that point .... simply with different points of view.
An nowhere did I state that you would make a decision on that information alone (how would I know?). In fact I simply stated that for some people that information "might carry more weight" and that I would have other factors as "more important than whether he had X orders". It's all there to be read again above.
Didn't mean to offend but wouldn't be the first time people can't see the intent on a forum. Have a great day.
Getting back to overnight successes...
I used to have a lot of those, but then I got married. 
bart posted:MusbJim posted:I'm curious as to how the nay-sayers on this site are doing with their start-up businesses and subsequent overnight successes?
I tried 4 times, went out of business 4 times...not good....as for overnight successes ....well not very good there either...
Maybe you made your numbers public too soon ? 
Bob: IM S6 posted:Getting back to overnight successes...
I used to have a lot of those, but then I got married.
haha Bob. I tried not to stay overnight
WNGD......you are right....I was wrong....I apologize
bart posted:WNGD......you are right....I was wrong....I apologize
That's the stuff.
Time for smores and a round of Kumbaya around our digital campfire.