Starter - need help confirming replacement part

Yes it is plug and play.  It does not require the pilot bearing which can go dry and is different depending on year.  You can get a rebuild kit for your starter for far less $ than replacing.  

 

http://www.vw-resource.com/starter.html#click

 

Luis,

 

Try this trick before climbing under your car next time the starter clicks but doesn't turn over.

 

Put the car in gear and rock the car back and forth a few times (forward then backwards). Then re-try starting (in neutral). I've had the same symptoms as you (but not very often) and this rocking motion works the few times I've had this happen. I think it either loosens the starter shaft/ bushings or moves flywheel a little for starter to engage. Very unscientific, but it's worked for me, FWIW.

 

If its happening every time you drive it, then go the starter replacement route. 

I've always used the 16450 model but, as Greg mentions, both will work.  Whichever one is cheaper got bought.

Best solution is to just suck it up and buy an IMI 101 starter. Gear reduction Japanese motor and American CNC parts for the rest. It is a thing of beauty, and it WILL NOT ever have a heat-soak problem. One of the best things I installed on my car. Install and forget about it...... No pilot bearing needed, and you can use a small battery too.

Here's the part Danny is suggesting:

 

http://www.kustom1warehouse.ne.../hitorquestarter.htm

Million thanks guys!  Will look into the IMi 101 suggested, will try Jims trick as well...

 

Fortunately the problem is still not coming up every time I drive it.... Just when I happen to be wearing anything other than shorts and and T shirt!

 

been driving the car as a daily driver these past few months...weather has been great in SEA... But it's thosethose unexpected, and now frequent, days I'm running late to the office or to a dinner date that really got me thinking of just replacing the starter and forgetting about it!

 

million thanks?

Ditto On Danny's suggestion. I had a hard time cranking my newly rebuilt 1915 with the standard starter but after installing this starter I never had any problems. It spins the motor like the plugs are out.

I didn't realize your car was that new (2013).  I'd still check to ensure you have good clean grounds for battery and start are clean.  Coat with dielectric grease.  There is a hard start relay that gives more voltage to starter - worth a try for <$15.

 

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDe...ductCode=C13-17-2917

 

 

Hey DannyP, does the starter you suggest here also work on Rich Drewek's Type 4 engine?

I have experience the Heat Soak one time here in FL at 97 deg. F.  Has not happened again, but want to be prepared in case.  Thanks.

Yes, the IMI will work on your car.  

If anyone buys an IMI, I'd love to hear your feedback.  We switched to IMI several years ago and then we started having issues with them more recently.  The Bendix would not index correctly and I got little to no support from IMI, so we switched to the new Compufire high torque starters.  I'd like to say they were trouble free, but they weren't... only difference was that we got support from Compufire when we had issues.

I really, really liked the IMI stuff, so I'd be curious to see if they ever got them sorted out...

I've had one since '08. No issues, except that since it's gear reduction, it doesn't spin as fast as my CB "black-box" ignition controller would like. But that's a CB problem, not an IMI problem.

Giday, Carey. I've used an IMI exclusively with my Soob and it's been great for about four years and almost 40,000 miles. I do note that my invoice says I paid $245 for my PN IMI 101N.

My personal favorite: Tilton. I think I paid $400 for it, but it was worth it. Ran great, and turned my 2160 over like it was nothing. 

Carey, I think mine is at least four years old. Can't remember exactly what year I bought it, but I got it from my local auto-electric guy. About the same price as David Stroud's I think, $250 comes to mind, but it may have been slightly less.

Thank you guys.  I ordered a IMI 101 for my 1915cc type 1.  Will report back after install, and putting some miles/ starts on it.

 

On Sunday i cleaend and greased all the connections for safe measure until I get the part and install it...  Unfortunately I had to "tap-tap it" this evening to get it unbound again...  Sure enough I was wearing a suit and heading to a customer dinner ;-).

 

...  Why suits and customer dinners in summer you may ask?, I sell new commercial airplanes for a living.  Tons of fun if you like airplanes And airplane people!

 

 

For those interested, for the IMI101 I paid 169$ plus shipping from kustom1 ( link provided above).  All other shops I looked at advertized 189$-220$ for the same part number.   

 

great deal...  

 

cheers,

Luis

Guys,  just wanted to post a quick status on the IMI101 starter.

 

so far it's been great.  I installed it without any problems, no hick-ups to date, and it runs strong.

 

 it was my first time changing a starter... Ever.... So I used various sources to walk me through the removal/ replacement process.

 

 

-  the Bentley manual,

 

 

- a couple YouTube "how to" videos, (for me the most helpfull as I got to see someone doing the work)

 

- and a handful of pictures I took before taking the system apart... Mostly so I had a record of how the wiriNG needed to came back together.

 

... the process took me about 1.5hr - maybe 2 hrs start to finish....  Slow, But I didn't want to get things wrong!

 

Hardest part-   putting in the long bolt on the top of the starter was definitely challenging as a first timer with larger hands.  Almost gave up after 30 minutes of failed attempts while laying on my back.... Had to break for a beer before continuing.

 

 

Thank you for your guidance on this.  No more "tapping" or "rocking the car" to get her started.

 

thanks again

 

cheers,

luis

"Almost gave up after 30 minutes of failed attempts while laying on my back.... Had to break for a beer before continuing."

 

Yup.

 

That's how to do it.  Glad you got it done.  Next time (or something else) will be that much easier.

I have the IMI starter in Bridget, with the Suby motor. Works a treat so far. 

Feels pretty good doing the job yourself, eh, Luis?

Feels awesome....  Only sad bit is learning these things fron YouTube vs my dad.  He doesn't get to wrench on cards any more.... And he lives in Spain.

 

i have my 8 yr old out with me today getting the car on jacks to install stainless steell brake lines and hopefully a front "hide the plate" front plate mount.  I got a ticket last night on the way home.... To be fair, i already received three warnings from the same officer throughtout the summer... Will need to fab a braket to attach this thing- good thing 8 year olds are creative.

 

fortunatelly it's now raining here in Seattle, so winter project season is starting ;-)

 

good times!

 

 

I'm not sure if you can see it, but I made a makeshift licence plate bracket on my IM.  I didn't want to drill visible holes in the front bumper, so used some light angle brackets that I attached to the bottom side of it with a couple of small bolts. 

 

I just got the stuff at the local  hardware store.  My fix certainly wasn't elegant, but it did the job.  I thought of using a 'hide the plate' bracket, but couldn't see where I could attach it under the front of the car.

 

If the bracket is removed, you can't see the holes unless the car is running over you

 

 

My front plate mounting "bracket" is the side pocket on my door. No drilling or angle bracket required. If stopped (,never has happened) I have it handy.

I had a similar bracket only screwed to the bottom of the bumper but mine was a bit lower. but it did not say BRRRUMMM BRRUMMM>

I installed the show n go hide away manual plate bracket From Altec Products.  i made a simple braket to mount it between the bumper bars... Will take a picture tomorrow... May be easier to explain.

 

http://altecproducts.com/license-plate-frames/

 

i had ordered it in August hoping to have something I could mount the plate so that I could remove from sight when desired... I like the "license free front look".    too bad I didn't install it until the day after I got a ticket for not displaying a front license plate.