Sump plate part two question

I do.

Yes, to me it is.

No, you don't.

Terry

So do you only use one of the cardboard gaskets?  Usually you would sandwich the screen between...so just winfering if there us a secret to puttinh it on without screen but with gasket...

I use the gasket with sealant applied on both sides of the gasket.

Just for clarity.  Assume you are running a remote filter then to leave out the "factory filter." I know it only catches the big chunks.  Do you use a sparse coating of RTV or just a non hardening gasket cement. Does the billet plate still use the copper washers?

Here's what I do for customer cars.. If they want a billet plate with an oil drain bung and they don't have a remote filter, I usually try to talk them out of buying the plate. 

If they have a remote filter. when I install the plate I leave out the factory strainer, use one gasket with a thin layer of Threebond 1194, Yamabond or similar sealant (a very thin layer on both sides of the gasket) and I use the copper washers.     Once that plate is on the bottom of the engine, the only reason to remove it is when the engine case is split.

I've used one for years.  No screen, with an external oil filter.  Tightening up those little nuts is a real PITA.  Sooner or later you're going to break a stud.

I use a billet plate as well with copper washers, one gasket with a light coat of Permatex copper sealant and a magnetic drain plug. Full flow filter, no screen. Years of use without a problem or a drip.

 

Make sure the washers are copper and not steel. If a magnet sticks to them, they're no good. Same for the drain plug.

Ditto on the magnet.

 

A lot of the copper colored washers that come with the gasket kits are steel.

What do you do if the small nuts leak?  Dies it not happen often?

Just to add- I do have the external filter on the car. Marin a wix filter.  I would like to find a way to never undo those small nuts again wince they are snugged up...

When I assembled my engine, I used a small dab of Permatex copper sealant on each stud before installing the stud into the case. When I install the sump gasket, I put a light coat of sealant on each side, install the gasket and sump cover with the nuts finger tight for about 5 minutes and then torque them after 5 minutes.

 

I've never had a leaky sump plate with the billet setup. Installed properly, you shouldn't either. Make sure you get a good sump plate that comes with the cap nut hardware and double-check the washers to ensure they are copper and you should be good to go. I hate oil drops on my driveway and haven't had any in a couple years.

The plate "gasket" is no longer made of gasket material, but is cheap paper/cardboard, and oil will leak through if it is not sealed. If using a stock steel sump plate make sure it isn't warped (2 hammers on all the holes will often straighten the plate out), use a sealer on both sides of the gasket, use copper crush washers, don't overtorque the 6mm cap nuts (if you've left out the screen and extra gasket make sure the studs are not too long or the cap nuts will bottom out) and you shouldn't have any problems. A small round magnet (Berg called it a cow magnet and could be bought at a supply store) strapped to the oil intake tube or a round magnet attached to the bottom of the sump plate will take care of any ferrous pieces. I've been told that a source for the drain bolt crush washer is a good parts guy at an automotive store(there should be something from another manufacturer that fits), but haven't checked it out yet. Al

I want the billet plate.   What does everyone recommend?

I use the billet sump on all three of my cars, VS no external filter, JPS external filter,

Porsche 912 external filter. Bought all three from "Mainely Maine". No leaks from any of them.

 

Chuck

http://www.mainelycustombydesi...gine_components.html

Which of the Mainely ones fits a T1?  The 3rd one for a 912/356 with drain plug, I assume.

 

This one with provision for drain plug or VDO oil temp sender is interesting.  Appears cast vs billet.

 

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDe...e=C31-115-181-113CSP

Call Mainely, they are excellent folks. I got one of their wheel balance adapters.

Like Danny wrote, call them.  They do special runs for Type ! VW's and the sump plate isn't listed.    I just posted the above link so you could see what it looks like.

I called him and ordered one's for T1 VW engines.

 

Chuck

I had the Mainely billet sump plate with the drain plug.

It's a beautifully made item but I would suggest you replace the plug with one that   sits flush with the plate.

I bottomed out and the plug grabbed the asphalt like a cleat. My $80.00 billet sump plate looked like a potato chip afterwards.

I've been running this for years with no problems: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/cla...detail.php?id=503505 It is inexpensive and works great though I don't recall if it came with copper washers or not.

 

I do however like this as well but have no reason to try it:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/cla...etail.php?id=1099590

Nice...

Here's a good selection from Aircooled.net

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/S...sp?Search=sump+plate

I just talked to the guy at Mainely.  Great guy.  I think I am going to order from there.  He said to leave the screen in and change out of 6-8K miles, but it isnt necessary.  Just more insurance.