moorpark ca sunday morning event...some great cars.....here is my replica 356 A along with a very rare 1964 pre 911 which was 1st post production car after the 356 before PORSCHE was allowed to use the 911 designation & a replica LeMans style PORSCHE 906 good times!
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wanna talk about replica cars?...let's talk about replica's....how about a replica SHELBY COBRA DAYTONA!...what a beautiful car!...
of which only 6 REAL DEAL cars were produced!...and each valued at $12 million dollars!...i think we with our replica cars got off cheap
@jncspyder that is my former boss’ car. He built it a while back, and drives it to work once in a while. Tiny cockpit if I remember.
Factory 5?
@jncspyder posted:a very rare 1964 pre 911 which was 1st post production car after the 356 before PORSCHE was allowed to use the 911 designation
You got it backwards. Peugeot sued Porsche over the X0X designation because that’s how they numbered their cars (303,403, etc).
Hence the Porsche 901 became the 911/912. (Although it’s still referred to internally as project 901)
The early “pre-“ cars are differentiated by the lack of a rear 911 emblem. And yes, they are extremely rare. Most were factory test mules, including this convertible prototype, built by Karman.
@dlearl476 wow!...that's a beautiful red car.....you can see both 356 & 911 lines in it.....gotta luv the old school cars...which we do!
Dave has it correct. The Peugeot lawsuit is why type 901 became type 911. Internally, a LOT of part numbers start with 901-xxx-xxx, at least for all the long hood cars(up to 1973).
To add:
"All other Porsche road cars with a zero in the middle were affected as well, so the 904 became the Carrera GTS – another name that survived to this day – and the 906 became the Carrera 6. Racing-only cars kept their names, due to the fact that Peugeot used the zero only for their road cars."
-dustycars.com
To add....Peugeot only had exclusive naming rights for that numeric system to cars sold in France.
What's interesting is that Peugeot only seemed to want to pick a fight with Porsche, and not with say, Enzo Ferrari.
@jncspyder posted:@dlearl476 wow!...that's a beautiful red car.....you can see both 356 & 911 lines in it.....gotta luv the old school cars...which we do!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I've been told. There are some faces that are universally acknowledged as beautiful, and many more where opinions differ. I think we differ here.
I really, really love the lines of a 356 speedster, but not so much the coupes or cabriolets. I know it's sacrilege to say it - but I've seen coupes that I like... although none of them look as good to me as a VW Karmann Ghia coupe.
As for 911s, I love the longhood coupes - but the red car (a Cabriolet without a top) looks like a ski-boat to my eye. I know I'm supposed to love it, but I just can't.
Feel free to stone me at your leisure.
@Stan Galat i think stoning goes a bit toooo far...but talk like that could begin impeachment discussions....but i believe the loyal STAN-IS-STAN purists would never allow it 
@DannyP posted:Dave has it correct. The Peugeot lawsuit is why type 901 became type 911. Internally, a LOT of part numbers start with 901-xxx-xxx, at least for all the long hood cars(up to 1973).
The 901 part numbers, at least for the trans, were only the 64-68 Slab side cars. Starting in 69, they became 911.xxx.
@Stan Galat posted:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I've been told. There are some faces that are universally acknowledged as beautiful, and many more where opinions differ. I think we differ here.
I really, really love the lines of a 356 speedster, but not so much the coupes or cabriolets. I know it's sacrilege to say it - but I've seen coupes that I like... although none of them look as good to me as a VW Karmann Ghia coupe.
As for 911s, I love the longhood coupes - but the red car (a Cabriolet without a top) looks like a ski-boat to my eye. I know I'm supposed to love it, but I just can't.
Feel free to stone me at your leisure.
Comparing Butzi and Komenda‘s design to the Ghia is like comparing Romy Schneider and Gina Lollobrigida. 
Those 901 convertible prototypes look kind of weird because they don’t have tops fitted. The were test mules and they never got around to it. A completed production car, had they done it, would have looked more balanced with the typical boot-covered top as had been Porsches SOP on every car from the 356 to the 968. It wasn’t until the 996 (993??) that Porsche had a towed soft top.
I was thinking that Ghia did a 911 concept for Porsche, but it was actually Bertone. Which was kind of out of character for them. Bertone usually made coupes and let Pininfarina handle the drop-tops.
@dlearl476 posted:The 901 part numbers, at least for the trans, were only the 64-68 Slab side cars. Starting in 69, they became 911.xxx.
They changed when the 911/01 in 1970-71 trans was introduced yes. The 915 came in 1972.
My reference was to all parts, not just the trans.
I believe the fan and ring had 901 part numbers for quite some time.
@DannyP posted:They changed when the 911/01 in 1970-71 trans was introduced yes. The 915 came in 1972.
My reference was to all parts, not just the trans.
I believe the fan and ring had 901 part numbers for quite some time.
One of the many reasons owning these cars is so great. The parts are cheap because they made so dang many of them. I can’t remember what they were, but there were a couple of parts for my 79 SC that were listed “64-81” or whenever the Carrera came out.
1978-1983 was the 911SC, 1984 was the Carrera.
Cheers.
had an 86 Carrera, 3.2, good runner
that red 911 convertible looks like a slipper, or maybe a hat with wheels.
@Marty Grzynkowicz posted:that red 911 convertible looks like a slipper, or maybe a hat with wheels.
I don’t see it. To me, it looks like a perfect evolution of a 356C cabriolet. Like I said, imagine it with a lowered top under a boot like a 356.
But I’ll be the first to admit I have an unnatural attraction to drop-tops.
The 911 body style just never looked/s good in a drop top. That's one reason I had my IM6 made - I wanted a 911 car without the awkward look.
It would be nice at this juncture, to have a photo of Heidi and @Al Gallo's beautiful 996 convertible. That might change your opinion, somewhat.
Al?
@Gordon Nichols without seeing the car you mentioned, it may be a hard sell to convince someone that the most hated model Porsche (for a variety of reasons which include aesthetics) may change someone’s mind about the beauty of cabriolet.
I'll agree with Gordon. Al and Heidi's car is gorgeous.
Being the owner - part, with my son - of a 996 coupe, yes, they are nice cars.
But I won't change my mind... 
A 996 has body work and a Big tonneau cover over rear the wheels. Like Stan said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Marianne and I were kinda partial to the cabriolets.
@Marty Grzynkowicz posted:that red 911 convertible looks like a slipper
@Bob: IM S6 posted:The 911 body style just never looked/s good in a drop top.
There was a time when any proper sports car was open. From the early 1900s through the 1950s, open cars were lighter, nimbler, and simpler. The closed variants were heavier and slower, and their aerodynamics worse. They were also uglier.
Sometime during the cold war, that changed. It's my personal opinion that it changed around the time Porsche stopped making the 356 and started making the 911, although It could be argued that it was around the time that a 356b became the 356c. Regardless, by the time the 911 rolled out, the coupe was undeniably the more sporting car. I think it is a lot better looking as well.
Open cars still had a following, but they were not the racers - indeed, they became a "lifestyle" status thing. By the time I was in high-school in the late '70s, nobody wanted a 'vert. Serious sports cars had all become tin-tops: Nissan Z cars, RX7s, 911s, etc. A 911 cabriolet (assuming anybody had one in my part of the world), was thought to be for disco dandies - an accessory for stepping out at the Second Chance Disco, like platform shoes and white bell-bottoms. It wasn't until the 1990 Miata came out that drop-tops were even looked at again by the "keepers of the flame".
None of this is to say that convertibles don't have their fans, or that those fans aren't serious about them. But for me, the Speedster and Cobra were the last great sports cars to be better as open cars then they were as coupes.
The market said as much before everything went wonky in Porsche-world. 20 years ago, a 356 Speedster was a $75K car, and a 356a coupe was a sub $10K car. Indeed, when JPS started making coupes 15 years ago, I wondered then who the target market was for a $30K replica of a $20K car. This is one instance where even a broken clock is right twice a day. John Steele was right.
The 911 market hasn't been like that in decades. Most people are just willing to give a lot more for a 911 coupe than a 911 Cabriolet, and way, way more than for a 911 Targa. It's been like this as long as I've watched, and I've been watching for more than 20 years.
That isn't looking down on anybody who loves something besides a 911 coupe or a 356 Speedster. It's just a statement of fact - some faces are universally acknowledged as beautiful, and many more where opinions differ. Everybody loves the 911 coupe and the 356 Speedster. Not everybody loves the other variants. Opinions differ widely even on this website.
I was looking at both the Cayman and the Boxster.
I might have gone for the Boxster if I didn't already have the Speedster.
Now that I've had the Cayman S for awhile I'm glad I made that decision. I wanted something everybody in the family could drive and the wife isn't driving a 5 or 6 speed anything that has a clutch. One of my sons loves the car and drives it on occasion on dates, etc. he is the most responsible 20 year old you have ever met. I don't worry about him. Our other son could care less. That's fine.
I do like the lines of the Cayman more than the modern 9's. They have become bulky and too large in my opinion. Also too many gizmo's. The 2008 Cayman S has a good radio, an excellent AC system, no back up camera. I added a $29.00 doodad that gives me Bluetooth, phone accessibility and sound through the radio. I'm good.
In the heat of the Florida Panhandle in the spring and summer having a coupe is a blessing. At night, when it cools off, I take the Speedster.
Life is pretty good!
@Stan Galat this is why no speech writers are needed in STAN-IS-STAN when true wisdom just flows from the dear leader 
he who puts the so called GREAT and POWERFUL OZ to shame
The two best "seat of the pants feeling" sportscars I've owned: a '59 TR3 Triumph and a '57 MGA, Felt every bump, heard every rattle and then there was the occasional whiff of acrid Lucas smoke ~~~~~
Riding motorcycles ruined me for owning hard tops.
Don't forget the Super 7. I was crushing the Cobras in my supercharged Miata that I set up for autocrossing, but I never beat a Super 7.
sunday morning at the murphy museum in oxnard....put on by a guy known as fireball tim.....some great cars and good folks....
photo credit by www.daveparkerphotos.com he takes some real nice shots
Car looks great!
Hey, Maverick, your landing hook is down LOL!
