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Leon, now we don't have to kiss your Gritts:)

Jack, I am so excited for you. Report back when you get a chance. I only had my new engine in for a few months and it got too cold to drive. I am going stir crazy with this cold-ass winter. About 10 weeks until the tarps come off and the fun starts all over. Until then, we live vicariously through the guys who live South and West.

Marty
Jack should be home about now.. I called to check on him a couple of times and he was doing great and was happy as hell! He was much more satisfied with the overall outcome than I was, probably because the car is so much better than it used to be and he isn't quite as sensitive as I am :-)

Glad to have exceeded Jack's expectations after so many deeply rooted issues with the car.. Thank goodness that the engine was never an issue!

Jack, it was a true pleasure working with you.
Here's a report on the visit with Jake, the trip home and overall impressions.

First--thanks to Leon Chupp--nice dinner Tues night with Leon and Margaret and thanks to Leon for the loan of two warnmers that used lighter fluid--one antually worked from yesterday morning to this morning---24 hours. Anyway they were a lifesaver coming home and thank you Leon!

Next---was the wait worth it---YES! Was the money spent worth it--Absolutely!

Unfortunately my tach went belly up as I was pulling out of Jake's place so I can't give out any rpm vs speed numbers until I get the tach fixed.

I will attach pix of Jake showing me about the engine, Jake in his office, some shots of the engine this morning and one of the drain plug underneath the sumpshowing that it is totally dry without a single drop of oil underneath---I never saw the bottom of an engine that was totally dry!

Jake gave me info on living with the engine and I was blown away by the workmanship and attention to detail. There are small touches that no one else would ever bother with --like a teflon insert for the cables to run in to not chafe. Additionsl means to prevent wear fto any cables or lines. Two fuel filters--one for each carb. --I can't even begin to list them all. The installation looks totally factory. The initial impression is that it is a "smallish" engine---compact with the DTM cooling shroud. The oilbreather and Seartab oil coolers are hidden behind and beside the engine to present a clean installation.The cooler has a Mocal thermostat built in. This engine will be a pleasure to work on as everything is so accessable.

The drive home. Totally it was 661 miles using 27.1 gallonsof gas for an average MPG of 24.3. Best MPG was near Birmingham, AL with 50 degree temps and that was 25.2 mpg with doing 70+ mph. I was very surprised an engine this new got such mileage. The 661 miles took exactly 11 hours for an average speed of 60.1 mpg counting 4 fuel stops. I drove mostly at 75 but went 80 and a bit over late in the trip. I have no idea what the top speed would be but it's got to be WAY over 100 with the engine power and high-geared tranny.

The sound is magnificent with a deep growl "race car" sound but tame in every way. Not a drop of oil was used or leaked anywhere around the engine.

First impressions were that this car isn't a toy anymore! The thing just flys. I figured the time to go from 55 to 80 mph and it was just 7 seconds.

The new tranny is super. I always did use 1st when starting---1st and second are the same as stock. 3rd and 4th are higher. With the torque I had, 4th felt like it had the same degree of response as 3rd did in my old set up. 4th never did have what I'd call "response" anytime in the past. --More below.

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Jack, Glad to hear the trip was so exceptional.. Such a positive review from the first experience with the engine certainly makes me happy.

Jack, the westach gauge you have was reading high on the CHT values in the colder weather, as it is not temperature compensated. This gauge is calibrated at 76*F and like most every other CHT gauge will read 1 degree warmer on the gauge than the reading actually is for every 1 degree of temp reduction below 76*F. As an example on a 30* day the CHT illustrated on the gauge will be 36*F HIGHER than the actual value. This means when Jack was seeing a head temp of 390*F in 40 degree temps he was actually seeing a 355-360*actual value- perfect. The same goes in summer, just with opposite value effects. When the ambient temp is 100F the reading on the gauge is 24*F LOWER that the actual temperature of the head.

Jack sent me an email today and the last sentence from that email is something that I'd like to share within this thread.

"That's it and I thank you for making an exceptional engine--I can't believe anyone with a type I wouldn't want a Type IV after driving it 1/2 mile! No comparison"
(Cont'd.)

This project started last June when Jake and I started working on plans for the engine---totally about 7 1/2 months elapsed from start to finish. The wait was awful to the max! Jake's backlog is incredible plus he has another division named "Flat 6 innovations" where he develops techniques and procedures to repair Porsche water cooled engines that arrive from all over the world---in fact there's a large Porsche racing type engine waiting for service that arrived from Russia. When I was there yesterday there was a steel 356 coupe and a georgeous $100,000 911 with a Type IV engine just installed. So the wait is awful but was definitely worth the results to me.

Back to the report---the new transmission with a CSP shifter---Lane thanks for the referral--I really like it! Smooth prescise shifting without having to push down on the shift knob to get into reverse. The tranny is smooth and civilized without the "Play" and high pitched growling I was used to before. Now there's no sound at all even when backing up while I used to get that "toy car" gear meshing noise.

C. B. Performance rearbrake discs were swapped for the old drums. I know we might not need rear discs--but do they ever stop! Straight and true stops unlike tho wobbles I had sometimes before. Jake says that the secret to getting the discs right is to observe the totque values and trouble like Corey experienced with these brakes shouldn't happen. Plus they are pretty cool looking I have to admit.

Back to the engine--I wanted to mention that a Mallory Unilite was used which uses an optical trigger to fire the plugs. Jake re works these to be even better than Mallory was at it's zenith. I need to learn more about this as it's different friom the Pertronics type unit.

Additional gauges were added for oil temp and Cylinder head temp. The oil was always right at 190 degrees and the CHT was right at 380-390 degrees except when I was slow in traffic around towns for a while---then it dropped to 250.

There is much more that could be said but to jump into a car with a brand new engine and driving it almost 700 miles, only stopping for gas is a pretty good testament to the trust I had in Jake's ability to produce a world class engine. I will say that I enjoyed working with a fellow Marine who dealt with me with a lot of patience and courtesy. We have all seen Jake get "little excited" when challenged on veracity or knowledge, and respond with a withering reply. They say that "it ain't bragging if it's true" and I will say that Jake walks the walk and is the real deal. I'd highly recommend him to anyone wanting to take a car to what many believe is the next level,as I did.

Jake sent me home with parts galore; spark plugs, carb jets,belts, oil, etc, etc.and great respect for one of the true good guys.

Thanks Jake---"You done real good".


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I am going to be the wet blanket again. If one takes away the extra time spent sorting out a few other mechanical issues, non of which stopped the car from being driven. I believe that seven and a half months for a re-build (or build) of a motor type that the builder mechanic is a specialist is just un-beleivable! I could sort of understand if the builder was doing it part time for a bit of extra cash but definatly not from a business! If the amount of time spent was truely accurate I cannot understand how the business survives!

Fortuntatly this story had a happy ending.
Wet blanket,
what you probably failed to realize is the fact that two days after Jack dropped his car off my Dad passed away. This alone added atleast one month to the build period.

This business doesn't just survive, it has grown during the recesion. While others are laying off and closing doors we have added to the staff. I also added another 4000 square feet to our facility with a two story facility that includes a chassis dyno and classroom. Earlier this week I secured the property next door along with another 3000 square feet that we are further expanding into.

That said, we are now filling the schedule for September.
Jack Is pleased and since he's the only one in this thread that's opened his wallet his is the only opinion that matters. The extra time that was spent on Jacks car was MY time and Jack didn't pay for it.

Wet blankets aren't good for much, including their opinions. What a great way to start off a Friday. Some people.....

Jake, take it easy, everyone knows you build a good engine. He was just exercising his First Amendment right to free speech by expressing his opinion.

Regardless of who opened up their wallet, he is entitled to his opinion, regardless if it's contrary to your beliefs.

Boards such as this provide a place for people to voice their opinions. Many times, they may not align with your understanding of events.

That said, I'm sure Jack is happy and we're happy for him and from what I read, you did quality work...

"Many times, they may not align with your understanding of events."
Perhaps "They" should have more of the "story" before they start posting their opinions. The "Wet blanket" has no way of knowing if the issues that were effecting the car "effected its ability to be driven", he just assumed they didn't because he hadn't driven it. I have a problem with assumptions and loud mouths that don't mind their own business.. Thats just me exercising my freedom of speech.

I took the time that was REQUIRED with Jack's car to attain the outstanding report that he posted. If his car would have left sooner I would not have exceeded his expectations.

Jack had a proposal in his hand from DAY TWO of this process that outlined the build time frame and he agreed to that. He also agreed to drop the car off on 10/19 for what was sure to be around a one month series of events to complete the install. Barring any unforeseen events that would have given a 11/19 completion date all of a sudden my Dad didn't wake up one morning and I have had to deal with everything associated with that and his Estate since then. Try running a world wide business, dealing with the Death of the closest person in your life and not missing but one day of work the entire time. It sucks and the last thing I am willing to accept is someone's smart ass remark thats not even on our continent.

One month prior to my Dad passing away I was at his bedside for two weeks while he was in the hospital, which also slowed down Jack's engine build.

We did the best we could and Jack is pleased.

BTW- Larry I noted the "wet blanket" is in South Africa based on his web link and email address. Last time I checked Obama hadn't applied our bill of rights to South Africa yet, but thats probably on tomorrows agenda as soon as he's finished ruining our country.
if anyone is looking for a T4, i have an extra one. it is 1.7 pancake out of a 74 914, with FI and complete. I was looking to have ported and bored, but since I have not had the time to work, play, drive my car in a year, I certainly do not have the time to play mechanic this decade. i am located in charleston, sc and you can pm me for more deets.
Greg,

I have got to chime in here. Your opinion sucks and you have a right to it. That said unless the owner has a problem with the builder and clearly he does not why do you care? I think Jake builds a quality product and has pretty good service. If I was in the market for a T4 I would likely get in his line of waiting customers. See what I said "waiting" customers. In business you do NOT have a waiting line unless you make your customers happy. I'm glad Jack is a happy camper.

Jake,

Well done!
Dave--you are right on target with your post. I thought that everyone was aware that Jake'sn engines were in such demand that the waiting list has always been long, in fact he talks about it on his websites. The fact of a long waiting list was a plus, not a negative for me as in itself it's a great reference. I timed it for when I had no use for the car; the winter months of November, December and January. I didn't need the car then anyway.

He did infinitely more than work exclusively on my car while it was there---many other engines were built while mine was in queue for it's work. At one time I was #6 or #7 in line. Plus he drove it 300-400 miles to insure it was as perfect as a mechanical thing can be.
And he did a long list of things to my car besides building and installing the engine. Dave said I was satisfied and I was--in spades!

I'll attach a picture of a corner of Jake's office. It is just as spotless and organized as the engine assembly rooms, dyno bays, and installation areas. The crap at the edge of the desk is MY junk; camera case, glasses and folders--sorry to spoil the pristeen desk top, Jake!

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I'm in the process of having an engine rebuild, so I understand where Jack is coming from. He asked Jake to build an engine for him, and Jake did. Jack is very happy with the results, and in the end THAT IS ALL THAT COUNTS. Jack, I hope your car puts a smile on your face every time you drive her. Jake, another job well done!
Ron
I've kinda been hiding the wings on this thread but I'd like to throw in my 2 bits worth: Jake you kinda remind me of a man who mentored me about 20+ years ago when I was building a stock 1600 for my '71 Westfalia-that man was Gene Berg. (My camper ran strong through over 100k miles with only 1 bad valve, easily fixed.) That you remind me a lot of Gene, for you guys out there, trust me, this is a compliment. I'm glad as a builder that you have taken the time to share the lessons learned here. Thanks.
Scott:

Some of us are lucky enough to have the privilege of being mentored by true gems; Gene for you and Al Alden (East Coast engine builder) for me (among a few others, over the years, in different fields) and for guys like Jake for mentoring the others coming along.

How lucky we are for someone willing to share their experience with those willing to learn. I would be so much less, today, without that selfless nudging from those willing to share.

Gordon
Jake, clearly I have pissed on your battery. I wrote quote a long reply which would certainly have upgraded me from a wet blanket to asshole but then I decided this topic is not worth it so I edited it to this.

But then I re-read you comments about your bill of rights and I changed my mind again!
So here we go:-)


What difference does it make which continent I live on! I don
If you would read earlier posts by Jake on the thread you would see his post of 12/8 saying that the problems he ran into were about installation---not engine build. Your comments question why an engine took so long to build which tells me you don't understand the issue here at all. Engine build time had nothing to do with the project's length of time to complete. What the isue was about was overcoming the fact that one side of the rear suspension was from an IRS and the other from a swing axle with diferent heights on each side and this turned into a time consuming issue that had to be dealt with--get it? Did you think that my car was Jake's only project he had in his facility to work on during the whole time? There were many projects completed during this time and since it was winter Jake and I had an understanding that there was zero urgency on my end ---again, this was mentioned in prior posts.

Sad to see such a fun project that to the person paying (me!)that far exceeded my expectations, is of such concern to someone who seems to need a life---I'm just sayin'.

Count me as one of the hundreds and hundreds of customers who are thrilled with the result of Jake's expertise and completely pleased with the end product.
People handle the loss of a family member in different ways. Young young fella, have the to bring a individual's loss into a bullshit post, it's obvious by your rant, you're one sick puppy that will pull out all the stops in an attempt to get attention. Jack is happy, Jake did more than he anticipated too. Best that you refrain from further embarrassing yourself and slither back into the hole you came out of. You've upgraded yourself from a wet blanket to the current asshole status... you said it best.
Here in America we have an old adage and it goes like this....
"You are what you eat"
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