The First Outlaws...

That is just awesome. 

Mitch,  Thanks for posting, cool!

Like the single role bar and reverse louvers!

The origin of the Outlaw.  Is that cool or what!  I wonder how he feels about replicas?

Here's a link to his web site:  http://www.emorymotorsports.com/

And a couple more brief videos.

Love those Emory Motorsport wheels.

The wheels on the notch back are 944 spares...

Very cool videos! Back in the 70's I bought 356 parts from his dad, Gary Emory, at his Porsche Parts Obsolete shop in Costa Mesa (SoCal). They were always very friendly & helpful! 

Did you guys check out the wheels?  Have a look at the video and pause it at 2:25. Check out how THICK those wheels are.

Amazing.

Ted

Ted;

Glad you pointed those out.  I know nothing about 5 wides, that is what these are isn't?  When I saw those, I thought man that "heft" looks cool.  (I have Fuchs 914 2L. on my speedie.  So I've never seen  5 wides in person)

Art

Yes, Art, those are wide 5's. 356's came with them until the end of the B? series- I believe the C's had the 5x130mm bolt pattern and disc brakes. Beetles had them 'till the end of the '67 model year and then switched to 4x130 for '68.  

Ted- maybe because they're aluminum? Steel ones have a raised or rolled edge all the way around the inside, I'm guessing for strength.

To add- I don't know if anyone caught this- at about 2:40 Rod explains the car has a 1620cc slightly streetable "race engine" with 135 hp, that they'll get about 50 or so hours out of before it needs "freshening up (and I'd like to know what that costs these days). Another reason to use VW power....

135 hp probably at 7,500 rpm's, they don't last long.

Quite a few 356's run VW power for just that reason.

Exactly- This is why displacement is so important; small engines take rpm's to make power, and then low end/midrange torque sucks. 140 or 160hp at 6,000rpm, on the otherhand, has gobs of bottom end (and life) attached. Al

My first 356 (63, 356B) ran a 1776 with dual webers. Loved that car.

*sigh*

Ted

Since this is an Outlaw thread, I don't feel too bad posting some pictures of my Vintage Outlaw here.  You can click the little expand button in the lower right corner for larger images.

Looks good, Troy!

What do you mean they don't last long?

He said he gets a solid 50 hours between rebuilds.

I assume he means running flat-out on the track. I guess most racing engines need 'freshening' after that much time, too. Maybe sooner. He also said it was 'almost' streetable.

Does anyone know what the service life is for one of the original four-cam engines? At $200K a pop today, I'd hope they run more than 50 hours.

You know what they say Mitch:  If you gotta ask......

   After you pay your entry fee, 200+For a Speedster and you want to go SCCA racing the costs are astronomical. Those guys spend more for a transaxle than you would for a big complete VW engine, and that's only the beginning. 

   I know nothing about Carrera's but you could probably times it by 2. Carrera Speedsters go for 2.5 million 

I remember (a long time ago) reading that 30,000 km was considered acceptable life for a roller bearing crankshaft assembly. And a 4-cam is an incredibly complicated engine to build and tune No idea who or where the mileage figure came from.

PS- And Desertfox (first name?) is right; engines revved to 7,500rpm on a regular basis don't last all that long. I always though that 1720cc's was the biggest you could go with the 356, but apparently there are stroker crankshafts available. The shop that I read about that does them charges huge money; makes a 23/2400cc VW engine look like a stock rebuild.

I've built my own Outlaw over a period of 6 years.

When I turned 40 in 2007 I decided the time had come to make my childhood dream become a reality and the actual build of the car began. Being a lawyer I’m consequently technically impaired so I knew when I started to build the car that it would be a humongous challenge.Unfortunately my technical impairment implied also that the build most of the time was one of ‘two steps forward, one step back’ and I can honestly say that being a perfectionist with a slight OCD didn’t help either. Luckily I had a group of great supporters that kept believing in my abilities even when I started doubting them (not my supporters, but my abilities).

Now it's finished (allthough: is it ever finished?) I'm really happy with the end result.

It's a café racer on 4 wheels which I prefer to call 'outcast' (because the body comes out of a cast ;-) ) instead of 'outlaw'. During the built of the car I had regular contact with Gary Emory. I even got an Emory Motorsports gear shift knop from them, which gives the car a nice 'Outlaw' touch..

The engine is an original type 4 1.800cc Riechert with a horizontally placed 901 fan, 316' racing cam, 45mm Weber carburators and a custom made SS racing exhaust, which set-up produces 124 bhp (while the car weighs 660 kg)

It isn't all that often I get excited about a car design BUT ....THAT is the bomb!  

A stunning job!  Somebitch I love it!   Additional photos would be great... Now I need to think about doing # 39 :~)

You need to drop the talk about your technical impairment because you've demonstrated a talent that most of us can only dream about.  Beautiful work! 

Oh, and Alan, being a Yankee I'm sure you don't know any better, but the correct spelling is S-U-M-B-I-T-C-H.  

Well... Your wish is my command!

Together with a friend of mine (who made his own mould from a really crappy rustbucket 1957 356A which had rolled; the roof was gone) we made this body and made lots of changes to it (no door handles, closed the space behind the seats where normally the hood would be, etc.) and made a fairing, made a louvred engine lid, et cetera, et cetera.

I made the Special GT script on the fenders from 2.5 mm SS and polished them. The Pegasus is sprayed on (as are the stripe and the gumballs). I did everything myself on the car (sometimes with a little help or an extra hand from some friends), including the paintjob, overhauling/restoring the engine, and the construction... During this 'journey' I made lots of mistakes and consequently had to do things over (and over, and over, and over, until...).

Because I've owned a 356 before I knew/know lots about the model and I knew exactly how my car would have to look like! I even choose the colour scheme meticulously (like I already mentioned: I have a slight OCD and I'm a perfectionist) and I only used (VW or Porsche) OEM parts...

You're making that OCD thing work for you, eh?  On a more serious note, you have accomplished what most of us only dream about.  Congrats on a stellar job!  Now, please tell us how it drives, handles, etc.

We may have to declare a mistrial, counselor.

I don't know where we'd find a jury of your peers.

I agree Alan, that is the most stunning outlaw I have ever seen.  I searched him on the SOC and on the Internet and found several more pictures of him and his car.  I couldn't find his name, but he is from the Netherlands and I hope he doesn't mind us drooling over his car.

Here is an SOC link that has several pictures:  

https://www.speedsterowners.com.../black-bettys-engine

Here's a video of him passing in a tunnel:

Here are some pictures I found on the Internet:

And this is a link to a Photobucket site with hundreds of pictures of Porsche 356 SCCA racers.

http://s79.photobucket.com/use...rs?sort=3&page=1

I hope some of those photos got submitted for the calendar.  That is one sexy arce car.

I think though the counselor was a bit deceitful in his description of his technical skills as being "Impaired".  I wish my skills were that impaired.

BB that car is amazing. Sometimes I wonder if I really like the original look of these cars or if I just completely lack the vision and creativity to want something else?? I could never think of the things you have done.

Thank you all for your kind words! They are highly appreciated!

And yes, I'm Dutch. My name is Antoine Godschalk and I live in the pittoresque village of Vinkeveen (between Utrecht and Amsterdam).

Before I started building 'my dream Speedster' I had to hire an electrician to change a light bulb, but now I do everything myself. Preparing, daring and not being afraid to make mistakes are the key words.

I made more than 100 sketches of how I wanted the end result to look (because I can draw reasonably well, but I'm terrible with Photoshop and programs like that... You could say I'm a bit Chip Foosish). I had several colour schemes (evening after evening I was colouring my sketches with crayons) and I studied the charactertics and details of genuine SCCA racers from hundreds of pictures from SCCA Racers I found on the internet. Little by little "Black Betty" was created...

Here you can follow the build from month to month and year to year:

http://s79.photobucket.com/use...B%20in%20jpeg?sort=9

I'm very pleased with the end result and how my colour scheme worked out, because there's a big difference from seeing it in A4 size or in real life...

And now it's finished I drive it as it should be! I visited the 1000 Miglia with it in Italy, did a 2,000 mile tour through the Scottish Highlands with it organized by the UK DDK forum and drove it on the Nürburgring (the "Nordschleife" and I did it in 13:01), and so on, and so further...

Hello Antoine.

I know you have been on the SOC site for a couple of years, but just in case you never received our official welcome, Welcome To the Madness!

I found your Photobucket site this morning and was able to see all the photos in the sub-folder, but the main folder is marked as private.  You will need to open it for us if it contains photos other than the ones in the sub-folder.  Can't wait to see them.

Done...

I've changed the folder to public!

Antoine - absolutely beautiful car and expert craftsmanship! Definitely could be a candidate as a feature car on Leno's Garage! Thanks for sharing your pics of that awesome car! 

I love the way he cut and sectioned the pan and maintained the original seat tracks.

I liked the way "El Diablo" turned out, and I considered it an outlaw, but nothing compared to Black Betty's....

Nice job dude

Well-done, Antoine Godschalk. Really gorgeous and the details are all just right.

Antoine, I've built and flown several airplanes from scratch and therefore understand the difference between true building  vs. assembling from a kit or hiring others to assist or even do the test flight process. My planes were quite functional and flew well.

Your creation on the other hand is near artwork and a sight to behold in this world of quick gratification through $$ or gifts. Very few indeed have your talent and even less have your measure of perserverance. Your imagination and talent hit the mark 100%. A stunning, well thought out performance indeed. Beautiful from any angle. Thanks for doing this. People need to see this kind of stuff.  Large congrats.

Again, thank you all for your kind words! 

I didn't think of all the details and characteristics myself. Like I said: I've incorporated the -what I thought them to be- most beautiful details and thingies from other cars...

What really worked for my car -I think- is the combination of the SCCA racer approach with a hint of Outlaw. Colour schemes on race cars are usually bolder than on street cars. Furthermore the idea of weight saving (again: like a race car) didn't only make some parts more beautiful (drilling holes in things cán make them more beautiful), but contributed also to the overall appearance. By closing the space behind the seats (where normally the hood would be) and adding a fairing, using a 550 Spyder windshield, removing the door handles, putting the Marchal lights on the front (in combination with the mesh wire grills on the head lamps) gave it its distinctive looks. It's a bit of a café racer on four wheels...

Speaking of which: when I was searching the net last year (so my car was all done) I found this breath taking café racer:

I think that when I would have built a motorcycle café racer instead of a car, this is what it would have looked like!

Here are some cars that are really beautiful Outlaws and were inspirational: 

saw my old pics on pages 12, 15, of my yellow # 72 one was at road atlanta for the run-off and the other was at waterford in the late 70s. bill