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The Norse Porsche - DMV time

LawshLawsh

Another chapter in the Norse saga. Had the first talks with the lokal Norwegian DMV (Vegvesenet) last couple of days and the first impression is really promising. They seem really interested. The guy Im talking to now is actually dreaming of a 356 himself so he's keen on learning something in the process to. Win. Win.

Sending a Norwegian pan to the states? Forget it. A Norwegian WV will never be approved in the US so thats off. And its a good thing. Less hassle. I have two options:

1) Import it my self to Norway. Requires detailed documentation.
2) Get it to approved in another EU country, which the Norwegian DMV themselves say is a safer way to get i approved. Any vehicle approved in the EU is basically approved in Noruega.
 
Im pursuing option 1 first since it'll be less logistics and I dont want to pay double VAT (12% Swedish (if that is the other EU-country) + 27,4% Norwegian)
The main premise for this to work is that is imported as a classic car. That means a VW based speedster. An Intermeccanica speedster with YEAR 1957 in the title will never be considered vintage in Norway (because it aint)
(I can import a Beck og Intermeccanica but then it is imported as a regular car and gets tax on top of the VAT and that will add some 20-30K$ to the cost. No dice.)
 
Norwegian DMV needs the following:
  • The registration need to have the original VIN number from the donor chassis as the VIN-number carried through to the rebuilt speedster.
  • That it is possible to tell from the papers that it is a rebuilt car

 

Now Im curious about 3 topics:

#1: Have any of you bought a registered VW with plates, rebuilt it to a speedster and got it approved with original plates and original VIN?

Say (for the sake of this example) I use vintage speedster + vintage motorcars.

#2: Will the vintage speedster carry through the original identity of the donor car?

This page explains the process on how to register a custom car http://www.dmv.org/articles/re...-a-custom-built-car/

  • A completed application for title or registration.
  • A completed statement of construction.
  • Proof of a vehicle safety inspection, also known as a vehicle verification. Typically, these are completed by your state’s highway patrol or a licensed safety inspector.
  • A certificate of origin.
  • A confirmed vehicle identification number.
  • An official brake and light adjustment certificate.
  • An emissions test certificate. Custom-built cars often require a different type of smog check than standard vehicles. Consult your state’s rules and regulations.
  • Photographs of your kit car and its creation.
  • Proof of purchase for all major parts purchased for the vehicle. This can include invoices, manufacturers’ certificates of origin, receipts, bills of sale, and even junk receipts. Some states require a motor vehicle bond if you cannot provide proof of ownership for parts valued at or above $5,000.

#3: What kinds of documents does this produce? The DMV mentioned the highway patrol specifically and said that a title alone will have way to little info for the Norwegion DMV to assess the car.

Still with me speedsterdudes?

 

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TRPTRP

I think the trick here was that he wanted something already registered in Norway as it would be easier that trying to register something which wasn't already in their system.  Kind of like us who have registered 67 bugs... not SPCN vehicles.

Now, if Kirk has a way of getting around the Norse MOT nonsense, that is great.

Robert MRobert M
Lawsh posted:
Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

It's not strictly legal here, 

 

What is it specifically that is not strictly legal?

When a car has been rebuilt and it no longer resembles the car it started out as, our DMV would normally require the vehicle to be registered as a "Special Construction" vehicle. Somehow Kirk is able to get the vehicle registered as the donor year and make that it started out as.

Stan GalatStan Galat
Robert M (Not a Poopiehead) posted:
Lawsh posted:
Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

It's not strictly legal here, 

 

What is it specifically that is not strictly legal?

When a car has been rebuilt and it no longer resembles the car it started out as, our DMV would normally require the vehicle to be registered as a "Special Construction" vehicle. Somehow Kirk is able to get the vehicle registered as the donor year and make that it started out as.

"Somehow" is because he's flying under the radar and not asking permission.

Sacto MitchSacto Mitch2013 VS Supporting Member

 

Lars, remember that the US does not have a uniform set of vehicle registration laws like most European countries. Each state has its own vehicle code and the rules for registration vary considerably from state to state.

Also, keep in mind that you do not buy a 'Vintage Speedster' from Vintage Speedsters. Legally, they are not a car manufacturer. Their cars would never meet the US safety and emission standards for new vehicles.

Technically, you are buying a used VW from a repair shop. Where I live, in California, the state DMV office never sees or inspects the cars that VS produces. VS shows them paperwork for the donor VW and DMV just transfers the title to the new owner.

It's not really clear what the California DMV would do if they ever saw one of these cars before transferring title. In some states, the DMV does inspect the cars and issues a title for a 'Special Construction' vehicle (the exact term varies from state to state).

I don't think anyone on this site has ever registered a Speedster in Norway, so we are all just guessing how this process will work out for you. Obviously, you should get this all figured out before starting the build process.

Terry NuckelsTerry Nuckels'04 JPS Speedster NorCal

 

* Looks like I was typing while Mitch was posting. I'll leave my post for redundancy...

 

Lars,

As Robert pointed out, In California, once a car has been modified from it's original concept to the point that it no longer resembles the original registered vehicle, it must be re-registered as a special construction. What the builders (JPS, Vintage) do is register the donor vehicle in the buyer's name (after a deposit) before the transformation. Since the vehicle is already registered, no other documentation is required as the DMV is unaware that the vehicle has been modified. I would guess that most of the cars produced by both JPS and Vintage, that reside in CA., are illegally registered. So, you need to check with your new friend at the DMV if this presents a problem. Your car will come with a valid CA registration stating that you have a 19XX "Volkswagen", not a replica Speedster.

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ArtArtCMC, 1641cc

Lars,

Have you tried contacting any of the other Norse members here? There are four others besides yourself. Perhaps they have some experience in this registration matter.

The title and registration you will get from VS, will read 196xx VW. The VIN number on these documents will match the stamped VIN on your tunnel. They will be Calif. title doc and registration.

 

Art

 

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LawshLawsh

*slamming my hand on my forehead* Can you help me smoke those Norske cats out? Yo Nordmenn! Er dere der?

I think there are two requirements:

1) The VIN needs to be carried through, which you guys confirm

2) Car has to be approved in its current state ie. in its state as a speedster

So if Im an inspector, looking at the title I need to understand these two facts from looking at it.

ArtArtCMC, 1641cc

Lars, 

Click on the MEMBERS id in the black bar on page top. click on the "sort by name", in the drop down, select "view as map". Click on the in the area of Europe and keep clicking until you have drilled down to Norway. Select the little orange icons for a list. Click to get names, postal codes, and sometimes email address. Send each person a PM, requesting info.

 

ArtArtCMC, 1641cc

On my California registered speedster. Thru the SPCNS method of registering and titled. I note the following info on my State of California Information Label. Which is attached (required) to the car:

YR/MK/MDL: 1957 SPCNS SPEEDSTER

ENG YR/MK/SIZE: 1973/VOLKS/1.6L

VIN: 133XXXXXXX    <--------- This is the stamped VW chassis number on my tunnel

I'll go to the safe deposit box  tomorrow and get my pink slip, and see if it matches this label. I am sure it does.  Pink slip=legal title document. (They used to be pink, now they are rainbow, it's California go figure)

Where I am going with this, is getting your card registered thru the SB-100 (SPCNS), might give you the language you need??

One note of caution. Only 500 SPCNS' are allowed per calendar year. That few compared to all the cars that get registered in Calif., might create confusion at the DMV and  the Year Make and Model  gets entered  "incorrectly" perhaps?

Art

 

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