The Norse Porsche - Drive time

Thanks dudes! Ive started on a build spec for our car (with lots of components sourced from your insightful posts) that I'm going to share with you at some point. However I made some decisions after my first encounter of the third kind. Im going to put my money on: transmission, suspension and wheels. That means:

• 2110 CC 140hp type 1 engine. 
• 5 speed transmission with THE tightest shifter
• wide 5 with discs all around. 
• These wheels: http://www.alloyreplicas.com/w.../2013/10/356-013.jpg (cant find those anywhere! links?).  Yes Im willing to shell out for those. To me those are half the soul of this car. 
• (Tempted to write IRS but if the platform does not need it Im pragmatic)

 

Seems like you made it happen with IRS Terry? 

Now, how can we make it happen? Who should build this? I have a dialogue with Vintage motorcars (Hi Alex! : ) that could take a VS-kit and enhance the sh!znit out of it. He recommends IRS.

Im more of a visual guy and would appreciate som help sketching out the details of the suspension/wheels/discs. So if you feel adventurous, please break out your pens and post some sketches for different setups.

Jim, I feel ya bro.

Life is good. 

Lawsh;

Thanks for the link. Whom ever did this car, tried something new, to me anyhow. Some of the GT's had a simple aluminum flat bar on the bumper. But here the bumper and bumper trim have been removed and the bumper trim  mounted back on the body itself.  Looks like the same treatment up front. Love the dark beehives! Very nice!

 I should have clarified, but it was early this morning. Terry of course is correct. If a guy wants to run late VW four lug wheels, or late Porsche five lug wheels, there are wheel choices available.

However, Lars has repeatedly shown an interest in wide fives made of aluminum.  Since the only halfway economical aluminum wide five wheels are on Mangle back-spacing, that really limits him.

Custom wheels are always a possibility. In that case, I say IRS all the way!

Alternately (and repeatedly),  I would just recommend an IM. 

Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

..or late Porsche five lug wheels, there are wheel choices available.

What are those choices?

However, Lars has repeatedly shown an interest in wide fives made of aluminum.  Since the only halfway economical aluminum wide five wheels are on Mangle back-spacing, that really limits him.

Mangle back spacing? What are my choices here? Links would help.

 

Thanks man. Trying to get grips with my wheel options. http://www.alloyreplicas.com is no more?

Re: Alloy "wide 5" (205mm x 5) wheels

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LOL! Ill take 5!

Does not have to be Stans insane 1 billion dollar wheels. I can live with less. Give me some options? where can I browse some wheels like these  http://www.alloyreplicas.com/w.../2013/10/356-013.jpg? love the finish

Like these for instance https://www.speedsterowners.com/topic/today-s-the-day

"Coddington wheels and tires are 185's all around." only in this finish http://billetwheel.com/alloyre...m-and-hrbbs-model-d/

Unable to locate them on the webs.

"..carved by gender neutral artisans working in nature-friendly geodesic domes"..

Lawsh posted:

Like these for instance https://www.speedsterowners.com/topic/today-s-the-day

Lawsh those are my wheels and were custom made by Chris Coddington. Not nearly as pricey as Stans quote but fairly painful, and I running 185's all around. I will say they look better in person, but I'm a bit partial. PM if you would like more details  

 

"The tightest shifter..."

Lars, my Vintage Speed shifter on my Berg 5 is so tight you'd swear you were just moving it forward and backward by a couple of inches. The distance left to right from first to third is about 1/2". Of course fifth is up and over. I believe I was the first one here to buy a Vintage Speed shifter. I know I was the first person ever to buy his 5-speed shifter, Ming told me that when I bought it from him at Sacramento BugOrama several years ago. He was just starting up Vintage Speed.

But I would have to say that if you're going with a Berg 5, the fastest shifter would be a Berg shifter. I liked mine but it looked too clunky in Penny.

Doing a Porsche tranny? Then you go with a Porsche shifter.

Terry- Most aftermarket shifters are a 40% ratio reduction, which is plenty fast enough for the street. Berg does make a 60% reduction shifter, but it's more for the Liberty pro (syncro) ring drag racing crowd and can move the stock brass syncro rings faster than they were designed for.

Joe Fortino posted:

Lawsh posted:

Like these for instance https://www.speedsterowners.com/topic/today-s-the-day

Lawsh those are my wheels and were custom made by Chris Coddington. Not nearly as pricey as Stans quote but fairly painful, and I running 185's all around. I will say they look better in person, but I'm a bit partial. PM if you would like more details 

Would love those in the brushed finish. Like this http://www.alloyreplicas.com/gallery/ Hes running 16" with 195/60/16. They look perfect on a coupe. Are yours 15" ? The size on yours look right on a speedster to me. Called Chris at Alloyreplicas. (the website was down but its up again) They do disc brake versions of 15" and 16". Does that mean I can have those AND go IRS without major modifications? 

Yes

TERRY NUCKELS posted

 ..did anybody mention that VS, JPS, CMC, etc., all suffer from unequal rear wheel well clearances between the left and right - right side being 1/4" narrower. 

The original Fuchs, Mahles And Pedrinis have adequate backspacing on their 5.5 wheels to be run on VS cars. You will have to address the right rotor to make them work.

Interesting. Whats the root cause of this?

I believe it's from a mold taken off a car that wasn't repaired properly.

Mr Galat posted:

Yes

YES!!

Lawsh posted:

TERRY NUCKELS posted

 ..did anybody mention that VS, JPS, CMC, etc., all suffer from unequal rear wheel well clearances between the left and right - right side being 1/4" narrower. 

The original Fuchs, Mahles And Pedrinis have adequate backspacing on their 5.5 wheels to be run on VS cars. You will have to address the right rotor to make them work.

Interesting. Whats the root cause of this?

I'm not sure, Lars. Perhaps it's as Al says but it's interesting that it can be either the left or right side. Maybe it's poor alignment when installing the body? A quarter inch is not a big deal when you're running a swing axle and drum brakes or when you have a flared fender Speedster. But when you have IRS and discs on a slab side it reduces your wheels to 4-1/2" unless you do some modifications. My solution was a rotor with the facing shaved by 1/4".

I thought the CMC issue was on the left rear side?  It is with mine.  I've got Fuchs 2.0, drums and IRS. 165/80 R15.  I have about  5/16"  clearance, where the tireside wall and fender intersect. No known adjustments.

Interesting, Art. My JPS has the issue on the right side and I'm sure VS cars do as well. It must be body alignment. I know that the issue is non existent with IM and Beck.

Another modification  to add rear wheel clearance is to "roll" the wheel well lip. The fiberglass is particularly heavy around the lip. You can grind and sand it down and gain a fat 1/8". It also looks better. 

Lawsh posted:

Mr Galat posted:

Yes

YES!!

Your jubilation may be short-lived. Custom alloy wheels are going to be 5-speed money.

These are nice and priced very nicely. See Alex at Vintagespyders. Paint the lug nuts black, for more of an outlaw look. IMHO.  -Art

Terry Nuckels posted:

Interesting, Art. My JPS has the issue on the right side and I'm sure VS cars do as well. It must be body alignment. I know that the issue is non existent with IM and Beck.

Another modification  to add rear wheel clearance is to "roll" the wheel well lip. The fiberglass is particularly heavy around the lip. You can grind and sand it down and gain a fat 1/8". It also looks better. 

IMs are not perfect.  I've got at least 1/4" less fender clearance in the rear on the left than the right.

Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

Your jubilation may be short-lived. Custom alloy wheels are going to be 5-speed money.

It is only fair that I pay at least 50% of the price of our car Stan : )

art posted:

These are nice and priced very nicely. See Alex at Vintagespyders. Paint the lug nuts black, for more of an outlaw look. IMHO.  -Art

Yes. Have been looking at those. They are nice. However the look a bit too silvery for my taste, but it could be the light. 

Can I see more images of them on a car outside in the sun?

He sells them in polished as well. They are the wheels I'd build the car around.

However-- These are the wheels that mean you'd run a swing axle, or a 4-1/2" wheel if you want IRS. If either of those things are not OK, you'll need to make another choice. Any other choice is going to be very, very long money.

We keep covering the same ground.

I'm going with those wheels this winter (black powder-coated) with drum skins & slightly wider tires.

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Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

Lawsh posted:

Mr Galat posted:

Yes

YES!!

Your jubilation may be short-lived. Custom alloy wheels are going to be 5-speed money.

There is no reason a guy can't have both... 

Lawsh posted:

Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

Your jubilation may be short-lived. Custom alloy wheels are going to be 5-speed money.

It is only fair that I pay at least 50% of the price of our car Stan : )

Lars said, "....our car Stan." He really understands "Community" doesn't he? Ask him when you'll get to drive "...our car".

Lars, I imagine when this car is done it will be exactly what you want, the first time.

Robert M posted:

Lars, I imagine when this car is done it will be exactly what you want, the first time.

With this forums help and experience, it feels like it could get close Robert! 

Anybody rocking 16" wheels btw? Would love to see photos.

Lars - for visual reference in a slightly larger wheel, here is SOCer Doug Kingston (Arizona) with his Speedster sitting on 17" wheels (also with A-arm suspension front & rear (Cool Rydes, San Diego).

(Click on pics to enlarge)

Doug's car with 17" and hardtop...

...and with hardtop removed showing roll-bars.

Fills those wheel wells really nicely!