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Thanks to all you guys for your input!
I finally got thru to Pat Downs (he's a pretty busy guy). Anyway, the bottom line is $5100 out the door for a 2110. He also reccomended a go-to guy here in the Sac area for installation & tech know-how. Turns out that I've had very positive contact with the fellow. Here's his link for all you Sac area guys.
http://www.gregsvw.com/
I finally got thru to Pat Downs (he's a pretty busy guy). Anyway, the bottom line is $5100 out the door for a 2110. He also reccomended a go-to guy here in the Sac area for installation & tech know-how. Turns out that I've had very positive contact with the fellow. Here's his link for all you Sac area guys.
http://www.gregsvw.com/
Ernie; do check pricing with Chico Performance at http://www.steelbuggin.com/ His turnkey 2,110's start at $4,000.00 and go up depending on additional options. You can't go wrong with any of the two but if you can save yourself a few bucks so much the better...
OK... on to the next hurdle: 2110 exhaust in a Speedster. The available 1 1/2" heater boxes look fine to me but, am I "SOL" when it comes to fitting up an after-market header of equal size? I would be fine with an extractor that has a configuation like my 1 3/8" Bugpack with tuck away muffler. However, all of the 1 1/2" "merged" headers I have shopped appear to conflict with the Speedy's body. Am I looking at building a high $$$$ custom unit here?
Kirk's Tri-Mil dual tailpipe muffler is another alternative; even Steve O'Brien has one that's been modified to fit his Suby engine and it works great. If it works with a healthy Suby boxer it'll work fine with a 2,110 cc. The good thing about Kirk's unit is that he has them modified to fit VS's so you're home free there. That's what I installed in my car after the last upgrade, along with the 1-1/2" Dansk heater boxes from CIP (the last time I looked they lowered the price of the pair even more!!).
You could also go with a nice unit from Gene Berg with dual quiet mufflers. Those work fine and look cool and old school too.
You could also go with a nice unit from Gene Berg with dual quiet mufflers. Those work fine and look cool and old school too.
Ernie, check CSP for a 1.5 unit that runs duals out the stock locations with 1.5 heater boxes included. I used that unit on the 2001 VS I owned. A local shop can adjust the angle of the rear pipes up a smidgen and then tack on chrome tips.
Look under VW Bug modified units; Super Competition Exhaust.
Main Site Page:
http://www.customspeedparts.com/index.html~
Look under VW Bug modified units; Super Competition Exhaust.
Main Site Page:
http://www.customspeedparts.com/index.html~
All Right Jim!
Ask the forum and thou shall learn!
From the looks of it, this could be the ticket! How does it sound? I'm definitely not into noisy pipes!
On edit: Does this unit ship from Germany? Frieght cost?
Ask the forum and thou shall learn!
From the looks of it, this could be the ticket! How does it sound? I'm definitely not into noisy pipes!
On edit: Does this unit ship from Germany? Frieght cost?
Here it is! Ol' Ern's exhaust solution.
So finally; did you get a custom system?
Ernie; Sweet! I am planning to install an A-1 sidwinder with the same type of muffler to exit out the center. How is the clearence for valve covers ( valve adjustments) or do you have to remove the muffler to get at them? Are they powder coated or raw with paint? I'm sanding and filling in holes on my Beck Outlaw. I have srtripped the interior, and I'm in the process of minimizing the look. sans carpet and dash trim. Looking forward to meeting you and since you are close may some runs in the future. I'm just west of you in Elk Grove (west Laguna}, and I have family out your way in Wilton. You welcome to drop by anytime give me a call and I will give instructions how to find me ,I just off I=5 my number is; 683-4175
Hi Ray & Ricardo!
Pat Downs gave me the # for "Tiger" @ Tiger Performance. He is @714 836 7201. Pat says he has built quite a few motors equipped with Tiger's Sidewinder for both real Pcars & replicas. The fit up is supposed to be pretty good, but you will need to pull the "can" to set your valves. The unit I ordered comes with 1 5/8" pipe, but hooks up well with the CB 1.5 heater box flanges. The muffler is Stainless but the pipes come ceramic or raw. I ordered raw just in case a mod is necessary after I mock it up on my car. The unit is also available with a "dump" style outlet @ the muffler's end.
Looks like we are finally in for about 10 days of damp weather, but I'll give ya a call. Also, Michael Beaucage seems to be ready for a run out our way pretty soon.
Pat Downs gave me the # for "Tiger" @ Tiger Performance. He is @714 836 7201. Pat says he has built quite a few motors equipped with Tiger's Sidewinder for both real Pcars & replicas. The fit up is supposed to be pretty good, but you will need to pull the "can" to set your valves. The unit I ordered comes with 1 5/8" pipe, but hooks up well with the CB 1.5 heater box flanges. The muffler is Stainless but the pipes come ceramic or raw. I ordered raw just in case a mod is necessary after I mock it up on my car. The unit is also available with a "dump" style outlet @ the muffler's end.
Looks like we are finally in for about 10 days of damp weather, but I'll give ya a call. Also, Michael Beaucage seems to be ready for a run out our way pretty soon.
Ernie-
I've got an A1 sidewinder in 1-5/8". The fit is fantastic, but you may find the muffler to be a bit loud for your liking. I had the system on my pan-based JPS and the whole thing fit like a glove. The same muffler system on the Intermeccanica had to be modified to clear the rear calipers since the IM engine is 2" further forward (the header remained perfect). As for the sound, you may want to take the outlet of the in/out muffler and run it through a second muffler running east/west across the back apron, and exit out the drivers side rear of the car. I've got this on my car, and the sound is low and mellow at idle, and pretty sweet in the upper register.
As far as the heater boxes- 1-1/2" boxes will fit fine, but I'd talk with Tiger about building some 1-5/8" boxes for you- Dale Bates had this done, and it worked very well (I've got an Espar gas heater, so I run J-pipes)
I hope this helps. You'll really like the exhaust.
I've got an A1 sidewinder in 1-5/8". The fit is fantastic, but you may find the muffler to be a bit loud for your liking. I had the system on my pan-based JPS and the whole thing fit like a glove. The same muffler system on the Intermeccanica had to be modified to clear the rear calipers since the IM engine is 2" further forward (the header remained perfect). As for the sound, you may want to take the outlet of the in/out muffler and run it through a second muffler running east/west across the back apron, and exit out the drivers side rear of the car. I've got this on my car, and the sound is low and mellow at idle, and pretty sweet in the upper register.
As far as the heater boxes- 1-1/2" boxes will fit fine, but I'd talk with Tiger about building some 1-5/8" boxes for you- Dale Bates had this done, and it worked very well (I've got an Espar gas heater, so I run J-pipes)
I hope this helps. You'll really like the exhaust.
"bit loud for your liking".... I hope not, Stan! I'm a "quiet" kinda guy. Tiger assured me that this thing was quiet. I'll have to wait and see. Your added muffler fix cuold give me a way out if I can't stand the noise.
Ernie, good luck with making it quiet. If it helps, there's a non-restrictive cone-shaped jobber you can put into the tailpipe to help cut down on the sharp popping or high-end of the rumble -- kind of the same effect as pushing the Dolby button on a stereo. It dumbs down the dbs a little. I'll research that for you, but I think it's based on tailpipe size ... I have one in my car and it helps a little.
Ricardo -- "Kirk's Tri-Mil dual tailpipe muffler," is getting a lot of play. Remember, the Nardi Horn Button Company has sponsorship here, too!
My question, of course, is when are we going to see some movies?!
Ricardo -- "Kirk's Tri-Mil dual tailpipe muffler," is getting a lot of play. Remember, the Nardi Horn Button Company has sponsorship here, too!
My question, of course, is when are we going to see some movies?!
Kirk's Tri-Mil is good for a mild 1776 (I had one on my JPS, with said mexi-crate motor), and is a better set-up than the gen-u-wine VW-Mexico header into a big-'ol-can set-up, or the ever-popular Monza exhaust (all of which I ran on the long-suffering 1776).
Putting any of these on a decent 2110 would be like stuffing a potato up the tailpipe. The A1 is the best choice, but Ernie... it's gonna be loud- you heard it here first...
Putting any of these on a decent 2110 would be like stuffing a potato up the tailpipe. The A1 is the best choice, but Ernie... it's gonna be loud- you heard it here first...
Are you sure about that Stan? Steve O'Brien has a modified
Tri-Mil in his Subytub and it works perfectly. Suby engines are pretty healthy....
Tri-Mil in his Subytub and it works perfectly. Suby engines are pretty healthy....
Ernie,
My system from Tiger is just right after adding a resonator. It's still a nice deep growl but at a subdued decible.
My system from Tiger is just right after adding a resonator. It's still a nice deep growl but at a subdued decible.
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We're looking down at a mirror in the second shot, right, Terry?
Do you have any clips with the sound in them? Something you could Google or YouTube?
I'm interested in the resonator.
Do you have any clips with the sound in them? Something you could Google or YouTube?
I'm interested in the resonator.
Yes, Cory, that is a mirror.
No sounds recorded, Although I'd be happy to do a phone request.
I will say that the sound before the resonator was quite obnoxious and my right seater wouldn't ride in the car until it was fixed.
My other problem was the downward turn of the tailpipe before the extension and the resonator. I live on a gravel road and as I would drive on it I looked like Pig Pen. BIG cloud of dust as the exhaust hit the gravel.
No sounds recorded, Although I'd be happy to do a phone request.
I will say that the sound before the resonator was quite obnoxious and my right seater wouldn't ride in the car until it was fixed.
My other problem was the downward turn of the tailpipe before the extension and the resonator. I live on a gravel road and as I would drive on it I looked like Pig Pen. BIG cloud of dust as the exhaust hit the gravel.
You've got mail, Terry.