This Beck looks nice

Smoking deal with Raby T-4.  Gazi this is your car.

Yeah, that's a helluva deal with that engine.

with that missing the critical engine sealing tin, i'd be worried that the $13K (!!) engine could be cooked.

 

Niiiiice car.  Very clean!

Very nice car indeed!  I can't see any mising tin so that should be checked.  I would like to speak with the first owner as to why they are selling with just 1,200 miles---could be the old story that they were expecting a Miata.  If I were in the market I'd definitely look into this one. Great car and a sensational engine.

 

 

Tell me more about your concerns.  Also, how much should it go for?

Mango has a point.  Jack, look at the left rear of the engine. You can see a braided line that I believe goes to the oil filter.  You can see the same line in the undercar shot.  Obviously Jake did not do the installation.  The rest of the car looks well done, so this is a bit of a surprise.

 

Gazi, the air used to cool the engine comes from above and is drawn into the shroud by a fan, which then blows it down over the cylinders and onto the ground.  If you do not have the metal panels (referred to as tins) that separate the underside air from the air above, you will be pulling hot air back into the engine compartment, thus raising the engine operating temperature and potentially damaging the engine.  In dune buggies is not a problem (as long as they're moving) because the engines are completely exposed with greater air circulation, but it IS important on one that is enclosed.  It could be fixed on this car, but it does make you question the build.

Lane---you are right---I see what you're talking about.  Yes, that should definitely be checked out---you gave good info to Gazi.

Do you think it has anything to do with the type of fan shroud that was used.  I dont know much about the motors, but that is not a normal shroud you would see right?

That's a Raby shroud, but it won't make any difference.

In Miami I'm going need a cool running tub or outlaw.  

 

My first car was a 68 mustang and the damn thing would overhead all the time.  I'll definitely need to invest in an oil cooler once I pull the trigger.

 

I second the motion, verry nice, and yes you need to seal up the engine compartment to keep it from recycling the heated air, even at speed it can draw up hot air.& hot air dosnt cool verry well, but it heats just fine. I think the header pipe after the collector should of been doubble jacketed&heat pulled off it for the car.but the heater in the car probably does a real good job by it's self. I hope 1 day mine looks half that good.(when I finaly get it & get out of this street bug)

So how much would a job like that run?  And how do you find the right guy to do that without causing more problems?

Yes, it looks like the tin is missing.  Very strange. 

I agree with Jack-why only 1200 miles.

Is it normal to have the battery in the back?

 

There seems to be a bit more than meets the eye here.

Yes, all Becks have the battery in the back.  The only oddity I see is the lack of tins.  This one already has an external oil cooler and filter.  You could fairly easily make tins out of sheet aluminum.  It's still a pretty good deal, but I would certainly recommend checking it out thoroughly.  It might be that the original owner didn't understand the need for them and then couldn't figure out why his car overheated.  If he didn't drive too long (possible with such low mileage) it could be fine.

Gazi,

First, let me say that your new Picture is like 1000% improvement over the previous one....

 

I am running a 2332 with a 911 shroud and no tins surrounding the motor, with no heat issues, and although it is a known fact that I have no mechanical knowledge whatsoever, I wonder just how important these tins are in the overall picture.....

 

By the way, my tub will be listed soon for sale if you have any interest in a super wide body with

170 HP

If you read the description, the AC compressor was not installed yet (supposedly for the break-in period, whatever that means) so perhaps the car is in a minor stage of unfinished-ness. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Beck mode of closing up the gaps is with the rubber membrane and isn't that possible that is all that is missing? I would think that Carey could shed a light on this car if questioned. PLUS, with that Tangerine exhaust system, this car does not have heat, unless there's a gas heater installed somewhere, but that's not mentioned anywhere.

Factory built as a roller in 2011.  We set it up for a TIV motor (mods to the trans support, etc) and installed all the options including AC.  We even attached the compressor and pulled vacuum on the system and then charged it to make sure there were no leaks.  It was then recycled and the compressor was removed and boxed, shipped inside the car.  Looks like it was never hooked back up.

The car was built with a Espar gas fired heater too.  I can see the base of it in the engine shot and would assume it is still there, but that is only a guess...

The color in the pics does not do the car justice.  It is custom Porsche GT Silver with a Connolly matte black leather interior and German Haartz cloth top/tonneau/boot/custains.  The original roller was a lot more than what they are asking for the whole car.

Funny, first thing I noticed in the pics was the lack of engine seal.  The TIV motors don't have the same tins as a TI, so our stock engine seal would not have worked.  It is not a difficult task to finish that aspect of this car, but I would consider it absolutely necessary for the new owner to do so.

I don't recall the exact story, but when it was ordered the guy had 2 Raby motors sitting in crates and was looking for something to put them in.  He was looking at a speedster for his wife and a Ghia for himself.

OK so I noticed 2 things. 1) the motor has Jake's new(er) bellcrank carb linkage.  I have not seen it in person, but I hear it is the cat's pajamas (wow I sound like my dad).  2) I don't believe the stock TIV AC compressor brackets will work with that large Mallory distributor.  It would not be difficult to fabricate brackets to cradle an AC compressor but that may be why it was never installed.

See, I knew Carey would know something about this car What doesn't this car have? Sure sounds like a bargain to me if one were in the market for one!

Cats Pajamas...Carey - I have spoken to you once in my life... but now...I want to hang out with you...Cats Pajamas...love the saying

 

Maybe we should make a new grill badge that has a Cat in Pajamas holding a 356 or Bust sign hitch hiking...

Did someone say grill badge?

Lets see what you can do...

hmmmm

Todd, I like Cat's Pajamas as much as the next guy, but I won't be going there with a badge.

Sorry to disappoint you 

A guy can dream right.  Lets get back to the thread I guess and that sweet ride we have been discussing...

Gazi, what Marty said earlier here. This car has your name on it...even if it isn't painted on (which is the one thing it doesn't have on the build sheet). AC, HEAT...plus you could pull a David Stroud and drive it cross country from CA to Carlisle  and then back to Florida. Forget the plane tickets!

If I had 30-large burning a hole in my pocket . . .

vinny - that tin makes a HUGE difference.  HUGE.  like the difference between dropping a valve seat on a super hot #3 valve.

 

if you have not experienced any issues yet, consider yourself lucky.  And fix it asap.

 

heat issues come in two forms.  oil and metal.  you probably have not noticed any heat issues with your oil since you are running a big remote oil cooler with a big fan.

 

the metal heat issue is another beast altogether and that is what will drop the valve seat. 

 

think blowing hot air on your 170 hp engine to cool it.

not trying to be a dick, but i feel compelled to correct this Carey.

 

That cable throttle system is called SyncLink and is made by a guy named Pete who posted all the R&D on theSamba. Raby is a reseller of this product - just like he resells other products.

 

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/for...9&highlight=sync

 

 

I hear this cable throttle is arguably the best out there.

 

and here is another pic of a T4 with SyncLink and cooling tins (for reference)

 

"like the difference between dropping a valve seat on a super hot #3 valve."

I have no idea what that means.

URBAN DICTIONARY - cats pajamas

1920s Lingo describing someone (something) who is great, incredible or special. Usually indicating stylishness or innovation. Pajamas were a relatively new fashion in the 1920s. The term "cat" was beginning to be used as a term to describe the out going and unconventional jazz-age flappers.

there are more than 1 making this type of linkage.

 and for the guy with the bregman/procshe type glass "shroud-0-turin-cars". they need a good bit of help,I re did a motor about a 18 months ago and the cylinders were purple from the heat,not from the recirculated heat from no tin but the heat because the shroud does not force the air where it needs to be.like standing in a hot room with a windo open across the room and trying to get cool but the duct is aiming agnist the wall to the right of you.the wall is cool but the rest are not.I have fixed the shroud, it takes time but is well wort it and your motor will be so much happyer.(ps, adding socalled vanes inside it aint the answer)I wish I had the $ for this setup but I dont, there nice looking.or the oe vw gol system witch is the same thing but steel.

Mark, please show us your solution on another thread.

no soulution ,just putting the "pj's" back on the cat so it's kool.

   as for the missing tin in this beck it could be easely made with some masonite(aka cheep bathroom wall sheet's of stiff cardbord type material. fit to the engine for a good pattern then on the slick side, wax real good & use it for a fiberglass mold,some have lines some are flat some have 4x4 squares enbosed, justtake your pic, it's not all that diffacult to do then paint to suit the rest of your car.

  this beck is so sweet you dont need it over heated or all the road debris&crap getting in there to funk it up.

Mark, who else makes a linkage kit like SyncLink's?

There is a lengthy thread on Samba about this linkage kit.  Up until now the kit has not been available for shrouds with heater tubes.  I asked if he (Pete) would ever consider designing a kit to fit shrouds with heater tubes.  He replied that he had an engine/shroud mock up and was looking at a way to install his kit.

 

By the way, I checked out Porsche 356s for sale on ebay today.  Holy Cow, there are a lot or replicas for sale!

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Ca...rksid=p2041548.m1305

Ron, Chris Foley of Tangerine Racing makes one:

 

http://tangerineracing.com/eng...eLinkageforDualCarbs

 

I've emailed with him and will probably go with his linkage as you don't have to replace the throttle cable Bowden tube as you do with the synclink. Nice guy as well.

a friend had his car at somebodys shop that was checking thier system for fit down hear in fl.and I had thought there was a system like that in europe too. It might be the guy that is also making the billet idf style throttell bodies hear in northwest fl.

Fix the tin, yeah. Buy it and fix the tin and drive it. The car has 1200 miles on it. It is a Raby Type IV! With 1200. Twelve. Hundred. Miles.

 

Assuming the self-hype Raby does is halfway true--and I do assume it is, given the complete lack of countervailing opinion--then what's to worry?

 

Unless the current owner picked up the car, bolted the motor in and immediately raced the Carrera Panamericana in it, those 1200 miles with missing tin have done nothing significant to the Raby motor.

 

Yes? No?