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Can anybody give me some input on the Thunder Ranch Speedster? Is the Chassis a full tubular frame built by Thunder Ranch or does it incorporate bug parts? And if it does: Is that a bad thing?
I am still new to the quest for my little Speedster and am trying to make sense of all the different vendors and ideologies... I am German though, and relatively picky about the car being of high standard... I live in Santa Barbara and wouldn't mind being able to go to the vendor.

Thanks a lot... and enjoy...
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Can anybody give me some input on the Thunder Ranch Speedster? Is the Chassis a full tubular frame built by Thunder Ranch or does it incorporate bug parts? And if it does: Is that a bad thing?
I am still new to the quest for my little Speedster and am trying to make sense of all the different vendors and ideologies... I am German though, and relatively picky about the car being of high standard... I live in Santa Barbara and wouldn't mind being able to go to the vendor.

Thanks a lot... and enjoy...
Jonas,
Scoot up to Paso Robles on April 21. There will be at least a couple dozen speedsters on display in the city's central plaza. You'll likely find samples from several different manufacturers, many variations of the theme (from pure replica to wild styled anything goes). This is a lucky chance to look a lots of cars right in your own back yard -- almost. Take lots of pictures, pick your favorite, and go from there.

Mark
Thanks to everybody for the replies!!! I will be in Paso Robles to check out cars and talk to people. I am not so much concerned about how the cars look, though. I mean that is a matter of how you customize it. I am more concerned about the core of the car, which you can not change. I received a very nice reply from Jim Ward who really liked IM. Thank you for that! I guess it is a very personal decision but I just want to clarify that I am concerned about the parts of the car that I can't change after purchase. And it looks like I have to come up with an extra 10K for an IM compared to VS. Is there that much of a difference?
Thanks to everybody... and I did add my zip to my profile :)
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Thank you for the ZIP, at least now I know where you are located..
Talk to any IM owner (especially Jim Ward) and they all say the IM's are the best....They are, but at a price....if you are willing to pay the price buy the IM.....
If you go to Thunder Ranch or Vintage or any of the other builders
and they want to charge you what an IM would cost, get the IM....
but if you are cash impared as some of us are, then ANY of the builders can build you a great car....some for about half the cost of an IM...It always comes down to the mighty dollar..........

Gee, I sure hope I didn't piss anybody off...
Doesn't piss me off Vince. This has been hashed and rehashed more than any of us care to get into. There is a Speedster to fit every desire and budget. That's something very cool about this market and hobby and certainly nothing to argue about with other owners. As long as we are happy with our purchase, why be concerned what another owner thinks.... right?

He asked for an opinion and I gave my thoughts privately. I do it without bashing other builders or owners. If you want to earn your horns you'll have to find a newbie to chase your topwater lures;-)
Jonas, you will find on this site, some questions become a little bit dicey to talk about in an open public forum. You are best off talking to people in private email about some subjects, especially when it may influence your decision on who to have build your car.

In fact some posters will only respond to such questions in private, to avoid the honest scrutiny of what they might say, and the dishonest scrutiny of people with an agenda.

Frankly, your best bet is to talk to people who have owned different manufacturers cars.

So, talk to Jim Ward, about the differences in Vintage versus IM.

Talk to Stan Galat about the differences in JPS and IM.

Talk to me about the differences in IM and SAS.

Talk to Alan Merklin about owner built cars and how to evaluate them.

There are others, but these are people I can think of off the top of my head.

This is how you will really find things out, Jim isn't going to say one bad thing about his IM, even if there are things he would like different or that he has had problems with, and you really can't expect him to say anything bad. You can expect much the same from me, and anyone else as this isn't like buying a car from GM. People are buying these cars from individuals and have a personal ongoing relationship with their builders.

Simply put, DON'T believe half of what people say about the kind of car they currently own, everything about a kind of car they used to own, and nothing about a car they have never owned.

Jonas,
I was out at Thunder Ranch two-weeks ago and saw one of the speedster chassis (bare). The car is a frame that utilizes a small section of the VW chassis at the rear. Just the section where the horns the engine mount go - and where the VW vin is found (or so I'm told - not familiar w/VW's). The chassis is an IRS. I do have a picture, give me some time to find it for you.

angela
Jonas, I own a Thunder Ranch Speedster and I am very happy with it. I would agree with all the cautionary advice above about owner recommendations. And also about the probabability of an owner being attacked for expressing too much satisfaction with any of the various builders' products. That's one of the things that cured my addiction to this websit. I'm only an occasional visitor nowdays, even long after my bruises have healed. I have an email that I prepared for another prospective buyer that I will send you privately. I believe it's a fairly objective summary of what you might look at when considering buying a Speedster replica.

I'd be happy to share the email with anybody else who might want to look it over and comment on it, or pick apart my reasoning and critisize me.

The tube frame does have the VW engine mounting horns as described. The whole assembly is jig welded, sandblasted and powder coated. Most of the parts that Thunder Ranch uses are VW based. Of course, early on most of the parts Dr. Porsche used were VW parts also, but modern performance VW parts are more dependable and better engineered now by virture of the volume of production and the variety of performance parts demanded by hobbyists. Most of the enhancements to the basic unit are options, so you get to make most of those decisions.

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Jonas,
All good advise above coming from very smart and experienced people. I bought a used VW pan based car that I absolutely love! It's rickety and crickety and makes noises and all the great stuff I think and old car should do. I'm in the process of looking into "tightening" things up a bit for better handling, etc... but have no itention of making it "new". I am sometimes puzzled why people would spend so much on the "look" of a car? There are makers that can build a car that looks like an old mid-fifties classic but has a suped-up modern day turbo screamer in it, that I just don't get? I love the speedster "look" for what the car was, not just the shell. You can spend upwards of $50k and to me, unless I was building a competition car, seems silly, for that money I'd buy a real Ferrari 308 or something along that line. That is the great thing about cars - it's all personal, what ever floats your boat.

Bill George - That is one sweet looking car!
Well... Thanks to everybody. Seems like there is some real emotion here... love it! It's all about a couple pieces of metal and fiberglass but people are in it with their heart!!! This is what makes me excited about these little beauties...
Again: Thanks to everybody and I will continue my quest being a bit wiser again...

enjoy
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