i had read apost a while ago and a member had mentioned that they had their car titled as 1957 porsche. i was curious about the process. once again, any input is appreciated. thank you.
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i had read apost a while ago and a member had mentioned that they had their car titled as 1957 porsche. i was curious about the process. once again, any input is appreciated. thank you.
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but I really think that this is not a good idea. It seems to me that there are three levels of activity which could conceivably raise the ire of a manufacturer:
1. Build a car that looks like something a company does or did build
2. Install script or logos that brand the car as something it isn't
3. Create a legal document which states that the car is what it in fact is not.
IMHO, the last item is the most dangerous. Consider the problems this could raise upon resale. I heard a real horror story about a Cobra which wound up on a used car lot and was represented and sold as it was titled. INSTANT NIGHTMARE FOR THE SELLER!
Consider carefully what the repercussions could be by titling a replica as a "P car." For my 2 kroner, I would rather be safe than sorry.
Hoss
ps. There was a dude in a "P" cap browsing around our part of the show field at Carlisle asking about the badging on the cars. His questions were not asked in a very friendly manner, but he said to me something to the effect that he guesses the badging is OK unless the manufacturers install these items on their cars. I assured him that the manufacturers do not do this ;-) I was very suspicious of his motives and wondered if his question was just for information or if he was doing some detective work.
1. Build a car that looks like something a company does or did build
2. Install script or logos that brand the car as something it isn't
3. Create a legal document which states that the car is what it in fact is not.
IMHO, the last item is the most dangerous. Consider the problems this could raise upon resale. I heard a real horror story about a Cobra which wound up on a used car lot and was represented and sold as it was titled. INSTANT NIGHTMARE FOR THE SELLER!
Consider carefully what the repercussions could be by titling a replica as a "P car." For my 2 kroner, I would rather be safe than sorry.
Hoss
ps. There was a dude in a "P" cap browsing around our part of the show field at Carlisle asking about the badging on the cars. His questions were not asked in a very friendly manner, but he said to me something to the effect that he guesses the badging is OK unless the manufacturers install these items on their cars. I assured him that the manufacturers do not do this ;-) I was very suspicious of his motives and wondered if his question was just for information or if he was doing some detective work.
Chris, I agree with John 100%
Many states title special constructed vehicles as the type and year of Replication but somehow denote that it is a replica through coding or more directly. Call your state DMV and ask. (Online ref for every State, below.)
www.buyclassiccars.com/dmv.asp
In OK they are supposed to title it as 1957 POR (instead of Porsche, this signifies it's a replica) Speedster. I asked and they titled mine as a 1956 Intermeccanica Speedster so that it more closely matched what I am insuring and matches my builder's MSO.
Do NOT use US Title in New York. I started to go with them, then decided I would just go and do it the "correct and 100% legal way". US Title owes me $400 and are a bunch of lying, scheming, low lifes. You may lose your car eventually using these and other titling services. Do a search under Cobra owners, titles, etc, and you will find Hot Rods, Cobras and other "assembled cars" are being confiscated all over the nation... even in Kansas where the Highway Patrol just trailered 2 Cobras coming home from a show.
Just an opinion.... John, I too had someone ask the P badging Q in a manner that made me sense he was on a mission. (Knotts-05). I told him the truth... that I drilled the holes myself and installed them.
Many states title special constructed vehicles as the type and year of Replication but somehow denote that it is a replica through coding or more directly. Call your state DMV and ask. (Online ref for every State, below.)
www.buyclassiccars.com/dmv.asp
In OK they are supposed to title it as 1957 POR (instead of Porsche, this signifies it's a replica) Speedster. I asked and they titled mine as a 1956 Intermeccanica Speedster so that it more closely matched what I am insuring and matches my builder's MSO.
Do NOT use US Title in New York. I started to go with them, then decided I would just go and do it the "correct and 100% legal way". US Title owes me $400 and are a bunch of lying, scheming, low lifes. You may lose your car eventually using these and other titling services. Do a search under Cobra owners, titles, etc, and you will find Hot Rods, Cobras and other "assembled cars" are being confiscated all over the nation... even in Kansas where the Highway Patrol just trailered 2 Cobras coming home from a show.
Just an opinion.... John, I too had someone ask the P badging Q in a manner that made me sense he was on a mission. (Knotts-05). I told him the truth... that I drilled the holes myself and installed them.
My IM is registered as a 1959 Porsche. I was told that Calif prefers to do this since if such a car is stolen, the HP would not be looking for a VW or some other unknown brand.
Titles and such are all over the boards, depending on which state you're in AND which DMV office you go to. Best bet is to be as honest as you can. Something ALWAYS goes wrong later and it's best to be covered, and be careful.
Here in Massachusetts, my Ghia is titled and registered as a Kargi (make) and Kargi (model). My other Ghia is titled and registered as a Convt (make) and Convtb (model). My VW bus/truck is titled and registered as a Windva (make) and other(model). The 356 is titled and registered as a POS (make) and Cont (model) . . .
Obviously, all they care about around here is charging the appropriate fee, 'cause I don't own or drive a Kargi, Contv, Windva, or POS. And, frankly, if I DID ever buy a Windva, I'd NEVER opt for the "other", I'd probably buy the Sport Coupe with the full size spare. I HATE those mini-spares!
Here in Massachusetts, my Ghia is titled and registered as a Kargi (make) and Kargi (model). My other Ghia is titled and registered as a Convt (make) and Convtb (model). My VW bus/truck is titled and registered as a Windva (make) and other(model). The 356 is titled and registered as a POS (make) and Cont (model) . . .
Obviously, all they care about around here is charging the appropriate fee, 'cause I don't own or drive a Kargi, Contv, Windva, or POS. And, frankly, if I DID ever buy a Windva, I'd NEVER opt for the "other", I'd probably buy the Sport Coupe with the full size spare. I HATE those mini-spares!
My take on this issue is to just go by the donor vehicle's title (if it's pan based). The car is what it is even though it may look like its costlier sibling brand. Also, that saves you a lot of paperwork when registration time comes. That's the way VS does it and it worked like a charm here for me.
My speedster is registered as a spec.const.56 speedster with the state of Ca. It is stated like that on my insurane too.
I'm with Hoss and Jim on this. I've had two speedsters, and am having a third built. The first car was titled as a VW, but I never felt comfortible driving something around that clearly (to me) was not a VW any more. Once you shorten a pan, and put a new body on something- it pretty much crosses over into the definition of "special construction". Most of us don't want our cars titled in this manner, because every state I've heard of will title the car in the year of construction- which means smog testing for the city (and CA) guys. How ray got '56 on his title is something I wish he'd elaborate on.
My second car (a JPS) came titled as a VW again, and I did the US Title Service thing. My title was supposed to have some designation as a replica- it did not. It simply said 1958 Porsche- this left me feeling even more fraudulant than the VW title did. I retained my original VW title, which the new owner is using in CA. He plans to retitle under the special CA provision on January 2 of next year.
My new car will be titled in accordance to the letter of the law- Illinois has a provision not unlike CA's whereby the car can be titled as a 1958 Intermeccanica. This process is long and arduous, but it's totally above board. In addition, this whole issue has made me rethink my entire speedster philosophy.
If wew are honest, most of us are conflicted about the nature of our cars. Look at the threads- Will I be accepted by Porsche guys? etc. We SAY we're paying homage to the original 356, but a lot of the time what we are really doing is attempting on some level to pass off what we've got as a "real one". Why else would we care if we are excluded from Porsche gatherings, etc.? I WANT my car titled, badged, etc. as an Intermeccanica, and this opens up a whole new world to me. If I'm not trying to "correctly" replicate anything, then who cares if my badges are not "correct". My first car had a few Porsche badges- my second car had 'em all. This car (my last, hopefully) will have none- it's an Intermeccanica.
This frees me up to do pretty much whatever I want on the rest of the car, and it means my build is evolving into something other than I envisioned it at first. I think it will be better. Henry's cars are legitimate autombiles in their own right- they just happen to have that cool speedster shape.
My second car (a JPS) came titled as a VW again, and I did the US Title Service thing. My title was supposed to have some designation as a replica- it did not. It simply said 1958 Porsche- this left me feeling even more fraudulant than the VW title did. I retained my original VW title, which the new owner is using in CA. He plans to retitle under the special CA provision on January 2 of next year.
My new car will be titled in accordance to the letter of the law- Illinois has a provision not unlike CA's whereby the car can be titled as a 1958 Intermeccanica. This process is long and arduous, but it's totally above board. In addition, this whole issue has made me rethink my entire speedster philosophy.
If wew are honest, most of us are conflicted about the nature of our cars. Look at the threads- Will I be accepted by Porsche guys? etc. We SAY we're paying homage to the original 356, but a lot of the time what we are really doing is attempting on some level to pass off what we've got as a "real one". Why else would we care if we are excluded from Porsche gatherings, etc.? I WANT my car titled, badged, etc. as an Intermeccanica, and this opens up a whole new world to me. If I'm not trying to "correctly" replicate anything, then who cares if my badges are not "correct". My first car had a few Porsche badges- my second car had 'em all. This car (my last, hopefully) will have none- it's an Intermeccanica.
This frees me up to do pretty much whatever I want on the rest of the car, and it means my build is evolving into something other than I envisioned it at first. I think it will be better. Henry's cars are legitimate autombiles in their own right- they just happen to have that cool speedster shape.
When I purchased my Beck , Luke Richards handeled the registration. It went to the dmv as a 2004 special contruction and to the closest year of body style, In the past I built a 1923 roadster pickup , and it was a fibberglass body on a new frame with a chevy short block . The same type of registration was issued on it using the closest year also. My car is a beck not a porche. The sticker issued by dmv on the door jaam of my beck states 1956 special construction . I don't know if there are a few hottrodders in this club that have buit a streetrod and have a simmular registration or not. It seem every state has their own way of titles. I don't if that clears this up or not it is just the way it worked out for me.
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Ray,
To answer your question, it is the way it worked out for you. My post "California registration on my IM" briefly discusses my recent experience. I will have to resort to going to the DMV on 1/2/06 to complete my registration under sb100 as the DMV chose to register it as a 2005 special contruction and therefore smog test liable.Upon asking the referee about exemption, he said no, that was not an option unless I utilized SB100 and that was the preferred route anyway and would not require any pass/fail test (my car failed the test under the specs for the yr of the case 1966 (too rich). I could lean it out and possibly pass, but would still have to smog the car in 2 yrs again. So I've decided to do the sb100 thing and title it as a 1959 Intermeccanica 356, and thus be exempted from all future testing.
To answer your question, it is the way it worked out for you. My post "California registration on my IM" briefly discusses my recent experience. I will have to resort to going to the DMV on 1/2/06 to complete my registration under sb100 as the DMV chose to register it as a 2005 special contruction and therefore smog test liable.Upon asking the referee about exemption, he said no, that was not an option unless I utilized SB100 and that was the preferred route anyway and would not require any pass/fail test (my car failed the test under the specs for the yr of the case 1966 (too rich). I could lean it out and possibly pass, but would still have to smog the car in 2 yrs again. So I've decided to do the sb100 thing and title it as a 1959 Intermeccanica 356, and thus be exempted from all future testing.
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