I just purchased a camber compensator from CB Performance. I took a quick look under the car and noticed there is not much extra room on the studs to bolt the compensator. I think I need longer studs. Anyone done this before and have stud size, and thread recommendations?
Thanks
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If memory serves me the side cover studs are 7 mm. I'll check with a friend who will know later (it's only 8am here on the Great Wet Coast) and he might also know where to get them. Al
I've done something similar - Added a Berg Mid-Mount to the transaxle - Used those same studs and had to make a couple longer to fit.
Take the nuts off of two of the studs, then thread them both back onto one stud and tighten the nuts against each other to lock them. If they are tight enough you should then be able to unscrew the stud from the case (slow and steady pressure is the key).
Once you have the stud in hand you can take it and the nuts (loosen them while still at home) to an ACE hardware, Lowes or Home Depot store and match the stud up with what they have, then just get longer studs of the same size and thread pitch.
If you're not comfortable with this, then any competent mechanic should be able to install it for you
Thanks Gordon. That is easy enough. I did't know if you could get studs like this at the local hardware store.
@Bobby D posted:Thanks Gordon. That is easy enough. I did't know if you could get studs like this at the local hardware store.
Yeah, $5 says you can't find a metric stud in the appropriate length from Ace, HD, or anywhere besides McMaster/Carr or a specialty hardware place. Fastenall might have them, assuming you want a box of 250.
But what you can do is make your own studs by buying a bolt with threads that run the entire length of the shank and cut off the heads, then chamfer the threads on the end you just cut off. Run a nut or tap on the threads and Bob's your uncle.
@ALB posted:If memory serves me the side cover studs are 7 mm. I'll check with a friend who will know later (it's only 8am here on the Great Wet Coast) and he might also know where to get them. Al
Nope. The nosecone covering the hockey stick uses 7mm x 1.0 studs.
The gear carrier, side covers, and axle tube retainer all use 8mm x 1.25 thread.
You MAY find these at a True Value or Ace in a LARGE store, but I don't know what length. I recommend a Mom and Pop hardware place if you can find one in your area.
Remove one by double-nut method, measure, and get however many you need 10-15mm longer and you should be good. Be careful of the magnesium threads in the case. DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN, you'll strip them.
we have Zettler Hardware here Columbus, OH. The are a small chain that carries a wide range of hard to find stuff.
@Stan Galat posted:Yeah, $5 says you can't find a metric stud in the appropriate length from Ace, HD, or anywhere besides McMaster/Carr or a specialty hardware place. Fastenall might have them, assuming you want a box of 250.
You owe me $5. I agree about HD, Lowe’s Menard’s, etc. but my local Ace has a huge selection of graded, metric hardware. And there’s a brand new one I checked out the other day that has an even bigger hardware selection. (I was there for bird seed, so I really didn’t look at the selection)
I’d take a WAG that I’ve spent over $1K on hardware at Ace over the course of the last 5 years of upgrades, mods, and repairs on the Spyder. Everything from sump plate studs to Nylock wing nuts for my air cleaners.
The only issue I’ve found is that larger sizes tend to be too course for our needs. For instance if you need a 10 x 1.0, they’ll have 10 x 1.25 and 10 x 1.50. For that there’s Belmetric.
https://belmetric.com/?gclid=C...EGYBoFBoC3UAQAvD_BwE
A metric stud (not bolt) at Ace Hardware?
I love my local store, but no metric studs at any Ace in my part of the world (or in their online catalog, that I can find).
Got a link?
NAPA and Advance Auto appear to carry Dorman products, which do sell various length 8mm studs.
I struck out on Ace website. I only looked for 8mm x 1.25.
I don't know how long these are, but these replacement 8mm exhaust studs are available at Autozone for $8:
@Stan Galat posted:A metric stud (not bolt) at Ace Hardware?
I love my local store, but no metric studs at any Ace in my part of the world (or in their online catalog, that I can find).
Got a link?
Like the song says: “Ace is the place…”
All sorts of useful odds-n-ends.
The “new” store’s metric collection.
FWIW, the metric studs aren’t in that section, they’re in a section all their own with weird automotive stuff.
Dang. I wish we had that Ace.
Me too. The prices I could do without though.
I walked out of Hudson Fastener with about 2 pounds of metric grade 8 stuff for $10.
I got 8mm, 10mm, ny-locs, washers, wavy washers, various bolt lengths.
That's the price of like 3 studs at Ace.
@DannyP posted:Me too. The prices I could do without though.
I walked out of Hudson Fastener with about 2 pounds of metric grade 8 stuff for $10.
I got 8mm, 10mm, ny-locs, washers, wavy washers, various bolt lengths.
That's the price of like 3 studs at Ace.
Speed, quality, price. Pick any two.
I love Ace because it’s convenient. Like when one of my sump plate studs came out with the acorn nut and was too corroded to put back in. I could run next door and buy a new one and finish an oil change.
For regular stuff, I buy from Belmetric or CAP Hardware because, like you say, you can generally buy a box for what 1-2 items cost at Ace.
Dave's ACE store looks just like my two local stores and I thought they were ALL like that. Guess not, from what Stan wrote, and that's a shame. My ACE places are reasonably priced, too. I had a Fastenal about 10 minutes away but they moved to make it an hour round trip. Instead, I can call Tri-State Fasteners and get anything in any quantity pretty cheap and less than 15 minutes each way.
Not everyone is as fortunate, I know. When I lived in Beaufort, SC none of the local FLAP stores carried much hardware, so you went to Lowes or Home Depot (30 minutes 1-way) or had to plan ahead, ask around if anyone in the car club needed anything and then make the 2-hour round trip to Savannah, GA for hardware (with a stop at Harbor Freight or Northern Tools). After a while there was a West Marine that had hardware but it was usually stainless steel and really expensive. McMaster-Carr and Amazon have been saviors to a lot of hobbies.
@DannyP posted:Me too. The prices I could do without though.
I walked out of Hudson Fastener with about 2 pounds of metric grade 8 stuff for $10.
I got 8mm, 10mm, ny-locs, washers, wavy washers, various bolt lengths.
That's the price of like 3 studs at Ace.
I walked out of Ace the other day with 6 black oxide 5/16"NC x 3/4" socket head cap screws. I'll need to check the receipt, but I'm pretty sure I was north of $10 for those 6. I was happy to have them, as the nearest alternative was a Menards 15 minutes away.
I couldn't even get pan-head socket head bolts in SAE, to say nothing of metric. Studs of any ilk (SAE or metric) may as well be shards of the true cross. That's strictly McMaster stuff here.
In the event that you ever move, Danny - be advised that most places don't have the kind of cheap hardware you apparently have in upstate NY (and apparently, in greater Boston).
@dlearl476 posted:Like the song says: “Ace is the place"...
Whoa- I haven't seen a regular neighborhood hardware store with that sort of selection in I don't know how many years! There are some great hardware supply places around, but you definitely have to do some searching...
We have a True Value about 8 miles away with a good selection, the hardware section got a little smaller a couple years ago. It was HUGE. It was both sides of a 40 foot long aisle, one complete side was those thin drawers with flip-up lids. Today it has a decent selection, but I miss the HUGE aisle.
The True Value only 3 miles away changed to over Ace, also a few years ago. The prices went up, WAY up, and the hardware area got REAL small. That's a lose-lose situation, which is why I'm soured on Ace.
I do miss living ~2 miles from MacFadden-Dale in Las Vegas.
That place never stumped me. That place had a SELECTION of copper exhaust lock washers like Wolfgang posted in the broken stud thread. Only time I’ve ever seen them offered singly.
Well, I guess I’ve been really fortunate. When I was building my car there was a place on the way home from work, Village Lumber in Westborough, MA, that had a HUGE fastener/hardware section - Like a room 20’ X 30’! Then, around 2006, they closed and sold that entire room’s contents to a local business for $3K.
One of the store managers, Matt, got a job with another local hardware store and opened their new branch in my town (Koopman Lumber) and has been the store manager since opening. The chain now has six stores in the area, all secretly “ACE” stores if you dig under the covers, but they keep their prices reasonable and stock a lot of stuff.
Matt’s store has the best hardware selection in the area and there is another (real) ACE in the next town with a decent selection. If none of those have what I need there are several places in big city Worcester including Fastenal which is great, if you want to buy by the box full as I did for the metric button-head screws for the brakes on my bicycle that I swap out every year.
Other places in Worcester are TriState Fastener (selling down to individual bolts) and Mechanics Bliss - They usually have what you want but they are not on-line, have no catalogue and the youngest guy on the counter is almost my age - Not a bad thing, just slow - Like bring along a coffee for the wait time. The fun part there is you enter the door and step back in time to around 1948. Their quality is top rate and their prices are surprisingly low, especially for things you can’t find anywhere else. Always an adventure going there, and Worcester Tool Supply is just down the street - Like a Harbor Freight selling Craftsman or Snap-On quality stuff. Pricey, but they have everything. I never appreciated all these places nearby until I went out of state and had nothing nearby.
And to Stan’s point, all of these places are there for a reason. Worcester, Massachusetts has been a center for manufacturing to the world since the mid 1800’s. Hundreds of manufacturing and machine tool companies were started here (Norton Abrasives, Standard Bolt and Washer, Wyman and Gordon Manufacturing, Heald Machine and Smith Valve among many others), so it remains a manufacturing center today, even though we’ve probably lost 75% of those companies since 1960.
It's one of the reasons I'm not keen about moving south. Everything I need is here, and what's cool is I know where it is. And I also have established relationships with local businesses and individuals that won't be there if we move.
And that's why I would usually wait on semi-major repairs/changes til I came back to Mass. It was always a bit more difficult doing stuff down south, even though the rest of the club worked on their cars all the time. The difference was always the lag time of getting parts or having to drive a couple of hours one-way (or more) for specific services and forgetabout anyone who spoke aircooled VW.
Maybe the parts thing is not so much a consideration, now that just about everyone is used to ordering parts on-line with 1 - 5 day delivery. All we have to complain about these days is the poor part quality we often have to contend with once we finally get them.
I gave up on telling people in Beaufort about the parts and service resources I had in New England. They would roll their eyes in disbelief and say, "Well....This ain't the No'th.... We don't care how you did things there!"
No, they don't care how you did it wherever you came from. They certainly aren't moving North!
One of the reasons we want to move is weather, but honestly now that I'm retired, the weather is no longer an issue!
@DannyP posted:No, they don't care how you did it wherever you came from. They certainly aren't moving North!
One of the reasons we want to move is weather, but honestly now that I'm retired, the weather is no longer an issue!
Although we are very lucky to have retired here, we'd be anywhere our son and his little family ended up.
Moving for weather isn't high on our list (he said watching the sunrise over a volcano in his year-round attire of t-shirt, shorts, and slippers).
@Michael Pickett posted:Although we are very lucky to have retired here, we'd be anywhere our son and his little family ended up.
Moving for weather isn't high on our list (he said watching the sunrise over a volcano in his year-round attire of t-shirt, shorts, and slippers).
The weather may not be the reason you moved there, Michael, but I'm glad you're enjoying it (Al says as he's watching the frost melt off the roofs).
Savor and cherish it, Gordon and Danny.
Towns with a solid base of fastener shops, machine shops, and fabrication shops to support giant manufacturing concerns are decaying in place, as the industries that supported them have mostly long since left for places with more "favorable terms" ("right to work" states first, then Mexico, and eventually to East Asia).
This small city had no less than 5 good locally owned bearing shops and at least 10 good machine shops when I started my career back in the '80s, which was probably a third as many as had been here in the '60s. Today, there is one chain place (Motion Industries) to buy bearings, and one machine shop that will take retail work. I took some fan pieces to Armitage Machine about a month ago, and the guy who unloaded my stuff (a 60" fan blade, a 24" drive sheave, and a 1-3/16" shaft in 2 pieces) came out to meet my truck in a walker - he was not the owner, he was a machinist. When they close, I'll be out of luck. Gary Hagel Fabrication let me know he will be around for 2 more years, if he lives. He's 85, and just sold his real estate for the second time (long story, but Gary is no slouch).
I take care of a commercial real estate client - their local holdings in the area are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. They are two brothers, sons of an immigrant from Lebanon back in the '40s. The brothers are both in their 60s (one might even be 70 now). I did a HVAC inspection for one of their wives - her parents had recently passed and they were readying the house for sale.
When I went into the basement to look at the furnace, I found a complete machine shop - mill, lathe, brake, shear, etc. Her dad had been a tool and die maker at Caterpillar Tractor, she (the daughter) married a guy whose family owned half of Peoria and was one of the most clear-thinking businessmen I'll ever meet. The brothers have been liquidating their local holdings here to invest in the places where the tax laws and weather are more favorable (Florida and Arizona) since Cat moved its headquarters out of town. They smell death. The adult children of these men are spoiled idiots. Such is the progression: craftsmen build the city, moguls got stupidly wealthy on its cream, and the grandchildren are wastrels. It's an old story.
I hear you both regarding getting stuff done in a strange place. I really don't wanna' start over. Everything I know is here, but it's all slowly going away. I'm not sure I could relearn a new place. Heck, I'm not sure I can relearn this place, as it withers on the vine.
Savor and cherish it, Gordon and Danny. Nothing lasts forever.
Wow! We don't see "wastrels" used all that much these days. It probably should be used more.
It is nice to have our language horizons stretched a bit.
Gee, I've always thought it would be fun to be a wastrel. Never got the chance, though.
@Stan Galat posted:Such is the progression: craftsmen build the city, moguls got stupidly wealthy on its cream, and the grandchildren are wastrels. It's an old story.
Or maybe the “wastrels” just learned from our bad example and refuse to be wage slaves for the oligarchs that made billions destroying our economy. Not content to merely facilitate the widest wealth inequality since the French Revolution, they’ve now set their sights on democracy itself.
There is no “job shortage” or “worker shortage,” it’s fake news. What there is is a wage shortage.
Fully agree, David. You should be able to live above poverty level if you work 40 hr/week. Some of us weren't born lucky. Viva la revolution!
Please reread what I wrote, Che Guevera. You realize you're talking to a union pipefitter, right?
The wastrels are the sons of the tycoons. They're not drawing a wage (living or otherwise), nor did their fathers. The idea of working for an hourly wage (like the common folk) is as far removed from their experience as it is to most of the people pining for revolution.
You seem confused.
I'm going with simply misguided. Dave, rain on somebody else's parade.
And that wraps up our segment on "Pies I Like."
While we're waiting to see if @Bobby D was able to find something that would work for his side cover, I had a question for our transmission experts: I have a Rancho Pro Street IRS Type 3 in the speedster. I've got no clue why the previous owner would have ordered one for the rebuild he never did. Any thoughts on the pro/cons of the Rancho and whether a type 3 trans is the same as a type 1?
@Stan Galat posted:Please reread what I wrote, Che Guevera. You realize you're talking to a union pipefitter, right?
The wastrels are the sons of the tycoons.
Yep, that’s me Che. 
You’re right. I did misread.
You seem confused.
Often. :lol3
Wait, we're not the wastrels?
@Michael Pickett posted:And that wraps up our segment on "Pies I Like."
While we're waiting to see if @Bobby D was able to find something that would work for his side cover, I had a question for our transmission experts: I have a Rancho Pro Street IRS Type 3 in the speedster. I've got no clue why the previous owner would have ordered one for the rebuild he never did. Any thoughts on the pro/cons of the Rancho and whether a type 3 trans is the same as a type 1?
Maybe because he wanted a 4.125 r&p? The type 3- 4.125 is also stronger, being a Klinkenberg (sp?) rather than the Type 1 gears cut on a Gleason machine. Other than that, as Danny said they're the same.
I WANNA BE A WASTREL, DAMMIT!!!!!!!
You are not alone Lane…….. 😉
