Type four owners

Jack Crosby raised an interesting point in another thread, that I am following up here.

How many of the SOC members have a Type IV engine in their replica? I'm pretty sure there are several here.

There is me, at 2367.

Very soon there will be Jack, at 2056.

Who else?

Guilty. Displacement is 2424cc.

Mine is stock GE block 2L , Hydro, and Pancake .

Totally rebuilt it myself with new P/C, Bearings, cam, lifters, valves/guides($300 machine shop) and a month.
Total incl donor block and flywheel pilot brg was $1600

Maybe after the Vette's done I'll make it TURBO , already have the parts...

I have a 1.8L '75 914 donor - with bus Solexs. Have not started to rebuild or even strip down. At quantry whether to go back to OEM flat cooling, Cali conversion (have book and all the pieces), cool looking but supposedly inefficient 911 look shroud or splurge with DTM. If P&C are ok then plan stock rebuild. Heard you can hone OEM cylinder for larger pistons - what size would that be? (believe I have 94mm now). Post pictures of your T4 if ya have them.

'Cuz there just aren't enough pictures of the Hoopty on here. ...

I've got two type 1's.

That's about half of a Type 4, right??

Well Gordon, if you put four T Is in one car (like TV Tommy Ivo's dragster) we'll consider it - NOT!

Dang, five whole entries before thread drift commenced . . .

David--My engine ended up at about 2,200 rather than 2056 because of mods to put the torque at a bit lower rpm than the usual 2056. I'll check that number, but it's close.

Jake Raby has done quite a few Type 4s in Speedsters but I never see the owners posting here on our site. John Steele has done some cars with Type 4s and I have read that some Beck Speedsters have the "Porsche 914 engine" aka, Type IV.
Maybe rather than show just the maker of a car on this site ( IM, Vintage, SAS, Beck, etc that we also have a way to show also the car's engine like "Vintage-Type IV, Beck-Type I, IM-Type IV, etc.

Let's see who else sports a type IV in their Speedster.

Joe Soltis, who pops in now and then, runs a Type IV planted in a VERY nice package. See Jogyver file in Photo section.
http://speedsterowners.com/files/view.asp?sf=Jogyver&f=raby2.jpg

~WB

It's not a speedster but it has a T-IV.

Careful now, Lenny, you don't want to get any panties in a wad around here!


Oh wait, I forgot, these guys don't get all anal like the 356 P boys do!

Danny---no panty wads around here! Odd how so many Spyders have Type 4s compared to Speedsters. I wonder why that is? (or even if that's true).

You can be sure that Jake Raby has perfect records on engine kits or turn key Type 4s he's shipped out to go in Speedsters.

It will be interesting to see who else has a Speedster with a "4"
in it.

I have a 2L that i am just rebuilding right now.

Have 914 big valve heads in the mail, 1.7 rockers, lightened flywheel, 44IDFs, Sidewinder, upright cooling conversion, wasted spark EDIS (MegaJolt).

to be decided on soon: displacement / cam & lifters / oil pump.

Popping in! Thanks Bill. Yes I'm a proud owner of a Raby 2270 T4. No problems at all. Love the power curve.
I just wish I could find one of those fancy Massive decals that's on that Spyder motor.
Been busy working on the volks rod project. Slowly making progress.A T4 was going be front mounted in it ...unfortunately the adapter plate for a T5 trans hook up was big $$$.

Mango---will this engine go into a Speedster?

yes

Any using hydralic lifters on T4? Seems fairly popular option --- and eliminates yet another maintence item. Real hard to do valve adjustements with tight quarters on Speedster what with exhaust in the way. I used to see it mentioned for T1 engines too - but never seemed to have caught on there. Is there a performance issue?

i have hydro's, but am eying a solid lifter cam setup.

for hydraulic lifters, there is only one cam option that i can see that is better than stock.

Paul's "Butch" had a Raby type4. (if I recall correctly, might have seen it through beer goggles)...

angela

Paul's engine used 48 IDA Weber carbs to make its 220 HP.

No love for hydraulic lifters here, I haven't used a single one since 1996 and refuse to.

I thought long and hard about a Type 4 before deciding to go all the way with a 3.0 911 motor........something about the sound.......;-)

What Dave just said....x2!

I was sooooooooo proud of my engine, but it took one lunch date with Dale Bates to ground me. I walked up to meet him at Applebees and he says, " I heard you comin'...sounds like an old VW squareback."

Nothing like a good friend to send you into warp drive looking for a new exhaust system (and back to the shrink's couch,lol)

Hey, Paul! Nice to see your name in print here!

I just got a Beck Speedster and my plan is for a Type 4

Woe Richard, good for you. I know that Jake Raby is doing some projects with Beck and if you are lucky that's who your engine will come from.Will it be a new Beck with a Type IV or will it be a conversion from a Type I?

Baecks are great and Carey is a huge friend of this site and the most helpful guy around wether or not you own a Beck brand or something else.

You are a lucky guy!

AS A PRELUDE-I AM A TOTAL NEWBIE, BUT LEARNING QUICKLY. It is a brand new Beck which I just acquired through Open Road Motors in CA. I also just acquired a 914-1.7 F.I. engine with side shifter transaxle (I know, I don't need that-so it could be for sale) for a really great price. Did the Speedster acquisition without much forethought, but now forging ahead on the learning process. Now I'm starting to hear there may be a few nuiances to this install. I have a note into Kevin Hines and hopefully will get a response soon. Here are some of the detaails that I have heard so far: The 914 engine is also a VW TIV engine (knew that). It requires a special TIV to TI flywheel that allows it to use the proper TI pressure plate and clutch (est $300). It requires an upright cooling fan (Raby sells these for about $700) slight modification to the down supports for the engine, as the TIV engine has offset cylinders and the DS bank is forward by 1" compared to the PS bank, a special spacer for the starter so it doesn't plunge too deep, low rise manifolds so the carbs fit, a support bar in the rear since this motor doesn't hang off the gearbox like the TI does (it can, but is designed for an additional bar in the rear as well), a custom exhaust (different exhaust ports and routing), and finally as far as we know, no one has figured out a way to make the Porsche 914 heater boxes work in a rear engine configuration. Previously, all of Beck

The conversion is straight forward with a Beck. Carey recently installed a fuel injected RAT 2.6 liter 220HP TIV into a customer's Speedster. The install of the TIV with my DTM cooling system and it's ancillaries/ sub systems is the simplest way the TIV can be installed, because everything has been designed specifically for the application and to works together to create one well oiled machine.

We now even have the pre-made surround tin to complete the engine install into a Speedster application, something that we haven't had in the past.

No cutting of the car is necessary, no BS headaches or worry about component compliance. I just finished installing one into a Speedster personally- it looks like the factory did the work.

Thanks for the tips Jake. As you know, I've been in touch with you and continue to do my homework here. Good to hear you have added the extra parts needed for the finishing touches. My 914 1.7 teardown will be starting in a week or two, at which point I look forward to seeing your engine kits becoming available in March.

Joe--give Jake a call about one of those decals.

Hopefully this isn't heresy, I started a thread a few weeks back on Shop Talk Forums under the Type 4rum section, "Type 4 into a Beck Speedtser" is the topic. I can only handle managing one of these at a time, and don't really know exactly why I posted there, but that is where it is. Anyone wanting to follow along during the process, that's where I will be. So far i have a number of pix up and have a number of caring souls adding their opinions and advice. Thank you all, I'll need all the help I can get.